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Muse

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I'm not. Though, to be honest, I seem to have wild mood swings about this.

I _was_ feeling optimistic, as the weather appeared to be changing, and there seems some reason to suspect warmer weather will indeed suppress the spread (yes, Trump may have have been partially right about that, deal with it!). But now, watching the death toll rise in Italy, I'm feeling pessimistic again. It still keeps coming back to the key question of whether the healthcare system will be overwhelmed. I don't see anything is going to _stop_ the virus spreading, eventually we'll probably all get it, the question is will we all get it at the same time?
We want to quash the bell curve... spread it out, the lower the peak the better.
 
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CZroe

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I was after the zinc lozenges and the only ones I found just happened to have Elderberry. I did find it everywhere it in tablet and gummi form (even grocery stores) but the only lozenges I could find were at GNC and happened to have Elderberry. It seems getting them in lozenge form is supposedly important according to this leaked expert's email.

Speaking of... has anyone confirmed the story yet? Is this email really from some expert who's been studying them for nearly 50 years?

Back to zinc lozenges though... I did go back to GNC for them after hitting the ATM. The guy I was talking to was gone but he apparently set them aside for me behind the register. That was fortunate because the shelf was already bare!

I'll check The Vitamin Shoppe tomorrow since my mother is already asking me about zinc lozenges.
 
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Muse

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How will COVID-19 play out in America over the next year? What are your thoughts?

Will this virus change the way that we conduct our lives? Do you think that we will get back to some type of normal, or will we see huge sweeping changes? What about our health care system, and the middle class? How much of an impact economically will this have on our lives?
Seems to be hard to make out at this point. We don't know a lot of the parameters. Plus there is apparently more than one strain presently. Also, we don't know how the efforts to develop vaccinations will play out and what drugs can be helpful, whether presently or in development. Also the factors of immunity conferred by exposure. So much unknown, I haven't been hearing predictions. Seems too early for those kinds of things.
 

Scarpozzi

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Doesn't seem to be available in Canada. I was legit curious how much that costs. Could use it to make homemade hand sanitizer, good business opportunity during the shortage. :p Not sure what other ingredient is used, some kind of gelatin?
Wrong! Your best bet is to climb inside!
 

Muse

Lifer
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Way too complicated for me. And who the hell starts a list at 0?
Hey, if it keeps me from getting sick it's not too complicated. I hate being sick. I don't follow it to the letter, but it has changed the way I wash my hands... for the last year.
 
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Zanovar

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I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts, not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts. Our children will thank us for it.
-Dr. Abdu Sharkawy, Toronto, Canada
*laughs* calm down with your preachy crap.Your a doctor?great.not a convincing one.
 

JEDIYoda

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*laughs* calm down with your preachy crap.Your a doctor?great.not a convincing one.
Yopu clearly did not read through the post...look at the bottom...or is reading not your strong suit??
There I changed it, are you happy??
 
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Oh man I was with you until “craphole countries”... Why you have to go there...
"Non developed countries" , does that make it better for you snowflake? ;)

I'm just messing with you though. Also plenty are crapholes.... like literally - they still crap inside holes in the ground in a lot of them
 

pmv

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Way too complicated for me. And who the hell starts a list at 0?

Whoever came up with the zeroth law of thermodynamics?

Or anyone else who belatedly realised they left out an entry they should have listed first.
 

Spacehead

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Doesn't seem to be available in Canada. I was legit curious how much that costs. Could use it to make homemade hand sanitizer, good business opportunity during the shortage. :p Not sure what other ingredient is used, some kind of gelatin?
I stopped at a Dollar General store on the way home tonight. Taped to the back of the cash register was a sign explaining how to make your own sanitizer. 99% Isopropyl alcohol mixed with Aloe. I don't remember the mix ratio though.

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i take no responsibility for this if your hands fall off
 
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CZroe

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I stopped at a Dollar General store on the way home tonight. Taped to the back of the cash register was a sign explaining how to make your own sanitizer. 99% Isopropyl alcohol mixed with Aloe. I don't remember the mix ratio though.

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i take no responsibility for this if your hands fall off
We have Dollar General but you generally can't buy 99% isopropyl in shops here. I have to get it from specialty shops. 93% is the highest I've ever seen in drugs stores and the like.
 
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nutxo

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I stopped at a Dollar General store on the way home tonight. Taped to the back of the cash register was a sign explaining how to make your own sanitizer. 99% Isopropyl alcohol mixed with Aloe. I don't remember the mix ratio though.

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i take no responsibility for this if your hands fall off
Hand sanitizer is not 99% alcohol. If I'm thinking right its 69% . I dispose of 100's of gallons a week, USUALLY....
 

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