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NON-religious forms of AA??
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RocksteadyDotNet
Diamond Member
If that's not a joke you're a freakin idiot.
rudeguy
Lifer
you might want to do some research into 12 step programs before you speak.
AA is not religious, its spiritual. There is a huge difference.
If he wants to try something other than AA, have him check out SOS. I haven't heard of anyone actually staying sober because of it but it will give him an option.
S
SlitheryDee
My mom is a social worker and pretty much all the (government funded) addiction recovery programs she's a part of are faith based. Her nonsense about how God was the only way to clean living pissed me off so much I quit drinking to prove her wrong (along with the other obvious benefits). Now the question is did I really prove her wrong or did I prove her right?
NikolaeVarius
Lifer
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RocksteadyDotNet
Diamond Member
So if people belive fictional stories written by idiots who lived 2000 years ago, it will help them avoid alcoholism?
Or do you mean if they beleive in imaginary people it will help them?
Or do you mean if they are such weak minded they believe religious rubbish it will help them not be an addict?
People like you make me sick.
Atomic Playboy
Lifer
What psychology class are you taking that teaches that addictions stem from a lack of faith in one's life?
Well, I'd argue this point some more, but it's time for me to consume a cup of 25 proof Jesus.
GagHalfrunt
Lifer
AA isn't any more effective than cold turkey. If he wants to quit without the religion being forced on him just quit. He's got about a 5% chance either way.
Shadow Conception
Golden Member
I don't think he means faith in a deity, rather faith in himself and others surrounding him.
No, I mean basic psychology - maybe you should take some classes or understand the human mind. You took my post and twisted it into your own hatred and anger. The first part of any psychological analysis (this includes addiction) is understanding where the patient's faith, or lack there of, is.
RocksteadyDotNet
Diamond Member
Err, the OP mentioned religion.
And there is no higher power, so instead of wasting the guys time trying to get help from an imaginary being, maybe they should offer him some real help.
Rubycon
Madame President
Here's a religion free DVD player. :Q
IGBT
Lifer
..getting off booze is a tall mountain to climb. You/he needs all the help that's available with a proven track record. NOT taking the problem serious is whistling past the grave yard because alcohol will kill him/you. He/you will have to decide if life is worth living and do you really have a passion to rid yourself of intoxication and addiction. There's no getting away from the fact that the desire to intoxicate is the road to addiction..
AstroManLuca
Lifer
Maybe if the guy was deeply religious and stopped caring as he slipped deeper into alcoholism... then maybe a religious program like AA could help.
If he was never that religious in the first place, what would it do other than frustrate and confuse him? Tell him that he has to live a religious life from now on because it's the only way to keep from slipping back into a pit of despair? Teach him that if he doesn't turn himself into a religious person that he's destined to be a failure in life?
Thing is, religion and faith can help some people. But the people it helps are the ones who are receptive to it anyway. There are many people who are not at all receptive to religious teachings, and if this guy is like that, then AA trying to get him to replace drinking with Jesus isn't going to help him one bit. It might hurt him in fact.
If he was never that religious in the first place, what would it do other than frustrate and confuse him? Tell him that he has to live a religious life from now on because it's the only way to keep from slipping back into a pit of despair? Teach him that if he doesn't turn himself into a religious person that he's destined to be a failure in life?
Thing is, religion and faith can help some people. But the people it helps are the ones who are receptive to it anyway. There are many people who are not at all receptive to religious teachings, and if this guy is like that, then AA trying to get him to replace drinking with Jesus isn't going to help him one bit. It might hurt him in fact.
S
SlitheryDee
Any help that relies on religion or the perceived shunting of a person's problems onto a mystical force which then magically imparts the beleaguered addict with self control is a glorified placebo effect. Real help would perhaps have something to do with showing a person the REAL effects of their addiction on their body, mind, and loved ones. Perhaps showing them that there are real wonders in the real world worth seeing and comprehending with a sober mind would do something. That's what did it for me.
DangerAardvark
Diamond Member
1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol?that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His Will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
Info on AA
Secular alternative.
I can't comment on its effectiveness, but it's a good source of information if nothing else.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His Will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
Info on AA
Secular alternative.
I can't comment on its effectiveness, but it's a good source of information if nothing else.
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