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[ch33zw1z]

Leave others alone and mind your own business -America

 

[whm1974]

Porn is destructive and deadening and weak and degrading and we all know it. that men are making some effort to control their impulses is something women would rightly applaud in a sane world.

Porn is neither destructive nor degrading to the people watching it. Considering how many women also watch and produce Porn as well, that petty much debunks your statement.

Perhaps you are confusing the fact that one can blame anybody for anything with the fact that as sleeping or programmed machines the notion one is justified in blaming anybody for anything is preposterous. That would sort of being like a drunk in a drunken stupor blaming another drunk in a drunken stupor for being drunk. I am aware, of course, that your worldview is built on blame and having it challenged leaves you kind of naked and out in the rain. You have the option to believe as you wish or experience some growing pains.

Humans are not sleeping or programed machines. And my World View is nowhere based on blame. Well you please the Hell stop with this sprouting of Bullshit and post something that actually makes sense?

 

[Moonbeam]

Porn is neither destructive nor degrading to the people watching it. Considering how many women also watch and produce Porn as well, that petty much debunks your statement.

Humans are not sleeping or programed machines. And my World View is nowhere based on blame. Well you please the Hell stop with this sprouting of Bullshit and post something that actually makes sense?

You expect there is something I can say to somebody full of their own opinions but knows nothing? Let me think! Hey, Happy Holidays. One of the best gifts I ever got was the knowledge that real learning is unlearning everything I was ever taught.

 

[whm1974]

You expect there is something I can say to somebody full of their own opinions but knows nothing? Let me think! Hey, Happy Holidays. One of the best gifts I ever got was the knowledge that real learning is unlearning everything I was ever taught.

Yes like everyone else I do have my own opinion and guess what? So do you. And Happy Holidays to you too!!!

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes like everyone else I do have my own opinion and guess what? So do you. And Happy Holidays to you too!!!

Note that mine seem to drive you crazy but I believe you can't help but have the ones you do.

 

[whm1974]

Note that mine seem to drive you crazy but I believe you can't help but have the ones you do.

Actually I make efforts to based my opinions on the facts available to me.

 

[Moonbeam]

Actually I make efforts to based my opinions on the facts available to me.

What I note is that what people call facts are often just opinions, like that they actually are facts. Naturally we do the best we can. What I note further is the preference we seem to have to know things and to tell ourselves that we do rather than jus t plain old not knowing. That is the foundation of wisdom, in my opinion, knowing you don’t know and not needing to. That tome is knowing, being empty.

 

[whm1974]

What I note is that what people call facts are often just opinions, like that they actually are facts. Naturally we do the best we can. What I note further is the preference we seem to have to know things and to tell ourselves that we do rather than jus t plain old not knowing. That is the foundation of wisdom, in my opinion, knowing you don’t know and not needing to. That tome is knowing, being empty.

Facts can be tested to be true by experimentation. I can also freely admit when I am wrong and willing to do so.

 

[Atreus21]

Porn is neither destructive nor degrading to the people watching it. Considering how many women also watch and produce Porn as well, that petty much debunks your statement.

Of course it is. That an affected party willfully contributes to their own degradation doesn't mitigate the degradation. And at any rate the overwhelming majority of porn consumption is done by men.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Of course it is. That an affected party willfully contributes to their own degradation doesn't mitigate the degradation. And at any rate the overwhelming majority of porn consumption is done by men.

That's your opinion, based on your on perceived moral superiority.

Either way, if nobody is shoving porn down your throat, then it's none of your business

 

[Bitek]

Porn is destructive and deadening and weak and degrading and we all know it. that men are making some effort to control their impulses is something women would rightly applaud in a sane world.

Sounds like your fit right in at a men's rights rally, tho I hear they do tiki torch marches in the afterparty... Best be careful.

Purity of Essence, amirite?

 

[Atreus21]

That's your opinion, based on your on perceived moral superiority.

Either way, if nobody is shoving porn down your throat, then it's none of your business

At least I make some claim to moral limitations at all, whereas we could fall to the levels of Japan and you guys would still say it's all a matter of opinion.

Women debasing themselves to slake the thirst of men is degrading, full stop. Women are more than just animals that exist to please us.

 

[Atreus21]

Sounds like your fit right in at a men's rights rally, tho I hear they do tiki torch marches in the afterparty... Best be careful.

Purity of Essence, amirite?

On the contrary, women are harmed more than men by porn. Explain to the wives of men addicted to porn, who now have husbands so desensitized to the most depraved sexual acts that she cannot and should not hope to match just to attract him, that there is no destructive aspect to porn.

Men at the very least get some cheap pleasure out of it. Women are the ones bearing all the cost.

 

[whm1974]

Sounds like your fit right in at a men's rights rally, tho I hear they do tiki torch marches in the afterparty... Best be careful.

Purity of Essence, amirite?

I wonder how many MRAs set themselves and their suroundings of fire by being clumsy?

At least I make some claim to moral limitations at all, whereas we could fall to the levels of Japan and you guys would still say it's all a matter of opinion.

Women debasing themselves to slake the thirst of men is degrading, full stop. Women are more than just animals that exist to please us.

And just what actually what do you based your moral limitations on anyway? Some ancient writings written long ago by people who didn't know the the World actually work? And also very likely to be:delusional

 

[whm1974]

On the contrary, women are harmed more than men by porn. Explain to the wives of men addicted to porn, who now have husbands so desensitized to the most depraved sexual acts that she cannot and should not hope to match just to attract him, that there is no destructive aspect to porn.

Men at the very least get some cheap pleasure out of it. Women are the ones bearing all the cost.

Porn Addiction was entirely made up by anti-sexual folks who have rather strange views on normal sexuality.

 

[Atreus21]

I wonder how many MRAs set themselves and their suroundings of fire by being clumsy?

And just what actually what do you based your moral limitations on anyway? Some ancient writings written long ago by people who didn't know the the World actually work? And also very likely to be:delusional

Yes, on the dogmatic claim that human beings are precious, as attested by the incarnation of God in human form who was personally present on earth.

What do you base yours on?

 

[Atreus21]

Porn Addiction was entirely made up by anti-sexual folks who have rather strange views on normal sexuality.

Normal sexuality. Give me a break. Is there any expression of sexuality that you would consider abnormal, that couldn't be dismissed with "that's just your opinion"?

 

[whm1974]

Yes, on the dogmatic claim that human beings are precious, as attested by the incarnation of God in human form who was personally present on earth.

What do you base yours on?

So your Morality is nothing more then delusional beliefs and not anything that has anything to do with Humans? You Seriously need an non-existing Higher Authority to tell you the difference between rigth and wrong?

 

[Atreus21]

So your Morality is nothing more then delusional beliefs and not anything that has anything to do with Humans? You Seriously need an non-existing Higher Authority to tell you the difference between rigth and wrong?

What do you base yours on?

 

[whm1974]

What do you base yours on?

Human Needs and Reality. Secular Humanism and Satanism works a great deal better then all the Major Religions combined.

Secular humanism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Satanism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ch33zw1z]

At least I make some claim to moral limitations at all, whereas we could fall to the levels of Japan and you guys would still say it's all a matter of opinion.

Women debasing themselves to slake the thirst of men is degrading, full stop. Women are more than just animals that exist to please us.

How nice of you to push your opinion some more.

 

[Moonbeam]

So your Morality is nothing more then delusional beliefs and not anything that has anything to do with Humans? You Seriously need an non-existing Higher Authority to tell you the difference between rigth and wrong?

after having posted this:

After having posted this:

Human Needs and Reality. Secular Humanism and Satanism works a great deal better then all the Major Religions combined.

Secular humanism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Satanism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You are pretty funny.

Great argument:

"My delusional religious beliefs are much less delusional than yours because there the ones I believe in. My my my. the war of sacred cows.

I'm going to give Atreus one thing. While neither of you can make the slightest rational defense of what you believe, he is actually a lot more right about what he does believe than you are.

But thanks for revealing to me you're a person of faith with an axe to grind regarding your immoral sexual beliefs. There's always that avoidance of the realization that one is morally wrong lurking behind all forms of denial.

A father that loves his wife and daughter, with a love, of course that is real, another of those peak experiences you may know nothing about, will never see anything in porn but the slimming of what real love actually is. This is what all morality is really based on, whether you have experience true love and real empathy. Those who have know and those who haven't do not.

Religion, you should be told, is a methodology designed to create the worship of what is real love within, to produce an experience via faith and trust, that God and man are a manifestation of the oneness of being, where the Lover and the Beloved are one and the same thing.

 

[Perknose]

It's similar to stuff like sober october.

Never heard of Sober October. Is it like "No Jollies July" or "You May Not 'May?'"

 

[cliftonite]

Normal sexuality. Give me a break. Is there any expression of sexuality that you would consider abnormal, that couldn't be dismissed with "that's just your opinion"?

What would you have the government do about porn, if anything?

 

[Commodus]

Normal sexuality. Give me a break. Is there any expression of sexuality that you would consider abnormal, that couldn't be dismissed with "that's just your opinion"?

Normal sexuality is anything that involves consensual activity and doesn't directly contribute to clearly unhealthy behavior (say, abuse or self-harm).

Porn addiction is real, but the danger of it is also exaggerated by religious conservatives trying to shame people for, well, being sexual. There's more of a risk of buying into unrealistic expectations set by some porn than there is of being hooked on porn. But then again, religion has also set unhealthy expectations for sex for centuries, such as false claims about virginity.