No way is this guy innocent.

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: a123456
Maybe he came out empty handed because he was about to pass out from the smoke inhalation? Who knows since none of us were there. I skimmed the article and didn't really get the fine details. The witness accounts seem highly conflicting, with the daughter disagreeing with the mom about how hard the guy tried to get back in after they arrived. It's not unheard of to get a panic attack and have your mind freeze up, especially in really stressful situations.

Only that guy knows whether he did murder or not but the arson evidence is lacking so the most probable conclusion is the fire was accidental. To me, I don't think he deserved the death penalty since it's not beyond unreasonable doubt that it's Murder 1 from Arson. Maybe Murder 2 if that for X years in jail while they review the evidence some more.

I think a lot of people don't realize how strong the survival instinct really is.

I agree with datalink7 that sometimes those instincts can be overcome, but that is a kind of discipline that I'd wager few possess. It's really easy to sit comfortably at a computer and say what you think you would do in the middle of a blazing inferno, but unless you've been in one, you really cant say with any certainty.

 

[skace]

Maybe you should save the serious discussions for when you go by "FewBeers".

 

[slayer202]

article is pretty good. I only read the first part when I posted before. I'm almost at part 3 now

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: datalink7
And my statement was simply pertaining to risking or even throwing away your own life in situation where you have a great deal of danger to yourself (even a hopeless amount of danger). This is something which I have a lot of experience with and I'm sure you have little or none, so please get off your soapbox.

Bullshit that you do. And I happen to have a ton of such experience, how about that?

lol dude datalink just pwoned you hard. hahahah he has seen more real life shit than you ever will. how does that crow taste, need any salt?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: datalink7
And my statement was simply pertaining to risking or even throwing away your own life in situation where you have a great deal of danger to yourself (even a hopeless amount of danger). This is something which I have a lot of experience with and I'm sure you have little or none, so please get off your soapbox.

Bullshit that you do. And I happen to have a ton of such experience, how about that?

playing fireman or infantry man on your PS2 doesn't count dude.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: skace
Maybe you should save the serious discussions for when you go by "FewBeers".

Who said this was a serious discussion? If you don't like it get out of the thread.

 

[al981]

Originally posted by: nerdress

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: jjsole
cliffs? no tiempo ahora.

Basically a 24 year old father awakes to his 2 year old daughter's cries of "Daddy! Daddy! realizes his 975 sq. foot house is on fire and he gets out alive and unhurt but his 3 infant daughters are killed. In my mind--- unless he wanted his daughters dead--his story is impossible for a father.

True. I'd die for my kids to live.

wrong. some people freeze when confronted with something they're not ready for.

it is possible he panicked and high tailed it out. i've seen a grown adult panic at the scene of a car accident, freezing and doing nothing to help the situation, despite being told to help.

also, the forensic evidence says innocent. good article.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: a123456
Maybe he came out empty handed because he was about to pass out from the smoke inhalation? Who knows since none of us were there. I skimmed the article and didn't really get the fine details. The witness accounts seem highly conflicting, with the daughter disagreeing with the mom about how hard the guy tried to get back in after they arrived. It's not unheard of to get a panic attack and have your mind freeze up, especially in really stressful situations.

Only that guy knows whether he did murder or not but the arson evidence is lacking so the most probable conclusion is the fire was accidental. To me, I don't think he deserved the death penalty since it's not beyond unreasonable doubt that it's Murder 1 from Arson. Maybe Murder 2 if that for X years in jail while they review the evidence some more.

I think a lot of people don't realize how strong the survival instinct really is.

I agree with datalink7 that sometimes those instincts can be overcome, but that is a kind of discipline that I'd wager few possess. It's really easy to sit comfortably at a computer and say what you think you would do in the middle of a blazing inferno, but unless you've been in one, you really cant say with any certainty.

Yeah it was a blazing inferno only after the firemen arrived. Was it a blazing inferno when his daughter was yelling "daddy! daddy!? How did he get out unhurt in a "blazing inferno" without her? She was found in his room. Did he walk over her to get out?

 

[DayLaPaul]

Talk about a wall of text.

 

[dbk]

read the whole damn article, OP

 

[ManyBeers]

Willingham started the fire in the kids' bedroom when they were asleep and watched it burn until he was certain they would be killed by it and then he went outside and pretended he had done everything possible to save them. Except he never called for help. Just like Ted Kennedy another "innocent" man who never called for help.

 

[a123456]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Yeah it was a blazing inferno only after the firemen arrived. Was it a blazing inferno when his daughter was yelling "daddy! daddy!? How did he get out unhurt in a "blazing inferno" without her? She was found in his room. Did he walk over her to get out?

Not saying it's true, but his version is that there was a ton of smoke when he heard his daughter's voice. He went over to go and try to save them but was about to pass out from smoke inhalation. After that first cry, he never heard from his daughter again. He looked around but the smoke was obscuring his vision and he found a doll but no kid. When he was about to pass out, he got out of the house to recover or whatever. Just because he may have appeared "unhurt" externally doesn't mean he didn't have a ton of CO and smoke in his lungs. A lot of good it would have done for his daughters anyway to have passed out inside a burning house.

There are 2 doors from that room. He took one of the doors out of the master bedroom. The elder daughter is old enough to be able to walk and could have entered the master bedroom using the other door after the guy left to go to the kids' bedroom. There are no blueprints of the house so I couldn't say either way if this is possible that they missed each other.

The ton of evidence against the arson should probably be enough already to stay the execution until they got a more clear picture of what went on. Getting railroaded by the justice system sucks but it happens sometimes. He's dead. No one's ever going to know except him what went on for real.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: dbk
read the whole damn article, OP

Earlier, he had confessed to his parents that there was one thing about the day of the fire he had lied about. He said that he had never actually crawled into the children?s room. ?I just didn?t want people to think I was a coward,? he said

So while his babies are being burned alive he has the presence of mind to lie to investigators in order to save his vanity.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: a123456

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Yeah it was a blazing inferno only after the firemen arrived. Was it a blazing inferno when his daughter was yelling "daddy! daddy!? How did he get out unhurt in a "blazing inferno" without her? She was found in his room. Did he walk over her to get out?

Not saying it's true, but his version is that there was a ton of smoke when he heard his daughter's voice. He went over to go and try to save them but was about to pass out from smoke inhalation. After that first cry, he never heard from his daughter again. He looked around but the smoke was obscuring his vision and he found a doll but no kid. When he was about to pass out, he got out of the house to recover or whatever. Just because he may have appeared "unhurt" externally doesn't mean he didn't have a ton of CO and smoke in his lungs. A lot of good it would have done for his daughters anyway to have passed out inside a burning house.

There are 2 doors from that room. He took one of the doors out of the master bedroom. The elder daughter is old enough to be able to walk and could have entered the master bedroom using the other door after the guy left to go to the kids' bedroom. There are no blueprints of the house so I couldn't say either way if this is possible that they missed each other.

The ton of evidence against the arson should probably be enough already to stay the execution until they got a more clear picture of what went on. Getting railroaded by the justice system sucks but it happens sometimes. He's dead. No one's ever going to know except him what went on for real.

Earlier, he had confessed to his parents that there was one thing about the day of the fire he had lied about. He said that he had never actually crawled into the children?s room. ?I just didn?t want people to think I was a coward,? he said.

while his daughters burn he lies to protect his vanity. Hmmmmmm

He lied because he had to pretend he at least tried to do something. Even he realizes how preposterous his story is.

 

[a123456]

Great, so he lied. I wonder why. Seeing as how parents who don't rush into burning buildings at risk of death are condemned (even in this thread) as cowards. The penalty for perjury is generally not death in our justice system.

Look, he could be a deadbeat dad. He could have been poisoning his kids. He could have been raping them in secret or whatever. But that wasn't what the trial was over. It was over whether he committed arson or not. And the evidence points to probable accidental fire, so he was wrongly convicted on that count. I think that's pretty much what the article was trying to convey.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: a123456
Great, so he lied. I wonder why. Seeing as how parents who don't rush into burning buildings at risk of death are condemned (even in this thread) as cowards.

Look, he could be a deadbeat dad. He could have been poisoning his kids. He could have been raping them in secret or whatever. But that wasn't what the trial was over. It was over whether he committed arson or not. And the evidence points to probable accidental fire, so he was wrongly convicted on that count. I think that's pretty much what the article was trying to convey.

I think the fact that he lied is very significant.
Would you have lied in a situation like that just so some strangers wouldn't think you're a coward? Come on and get off the bullshit.

That's what the "new" experts say, who by the way were NEVER at the crime scene.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: datalink7
And my statement was simply pertaining to risking or even throwing away your own life in situation where you have a great deal of danger to yourself (even a hopeless amount of danger). This is something which I have a lot of experience with and I'm sure you have little or none, so please get off your soapbox.

Bullshit that you do. And I happen to have a ton of such experience, how about that?

lol dude datalink just pwoned you hard. hahahah he has seen more real life shit than you ever will. how does that crow taste, need any salt?

Not even close, you fucking twerp. You don't even begin to know what I've experienced in my life, and I'll bet you $1,000 right now, by paypal, I can prove it and make you eat the ignorant shit you're attempting to spew.

Put up or crawl the fuck away.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: datalink7
And my statement was simply pertaining to risking or even throwing away your own life in situation where you have a great deal of danger to yourself (even a hopeless amount of danger). This is something which I have a lot of experience with and I'm sure you have little or none, so please get off your soapbox.

Bullshit that you do. And I happen to have a ton of such experience, how about that?

playing fireman or infantry man on your PS2 doesn't count dude.

Minimum $1,000, I'll go as high as you want, fucktard, to be held by a mutually agreed upon third party.

PUT UP OR STFU, asshole. :|

 

[Lamont Burns]

Paypal it to me, I will hold it. I'm not Sicilian. Annnnnnnnnnnd, my house was set on fire when I was 21. So, there's that too.

 

[sandorski]

It's clear the Kids did this to Frame their Father. Kids 1 Texas 0

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: datalink7
And my statement was simply pertaining to risking or even throwing away your own life in situation where you have a great deal of danger to yourself (even a hopeless amount of danger). This is something which I have a lot of experience with and I'm sure you have little or none, so please get off your soapbox.

Bullshit that you do. And I happen to have a ton of such experience, how about that?

playing fireman or infantry man on your PS2 doesn't count dude.

Minimum $1,000, I'll go as high as you want, fucktard, to be held by a mutually agreed upon third party.

PUT UP OR STFU, asshole. :|

Dude! We've all thought the same as you, but to actually type up the challenge and hit the
Post button. WOW!

 

[ManyBeers]

The jury got it right. They probably laughed at the preposterousness of his story" Yeah, i was able to get out but I couldn't get my babies in the next room or the one in my room either".

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
The jury got it right. They probably laughed at the preposterousness of his story" Yeah, i was able to get out but I couldn't get my babies in the next room or even the one in my room either".

You're an Idiot.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
The jury got it right. They probably laughed at the preposterousness of his story" Yeah, i was able to get out but I couldn't get my babies in the next room or even the one in my room either".

You're an Idiot.

No you are, if you believe that cock and bull story.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
The jury got it right. They probably laughed at the preposterousness of his story" Yeah, i was able to get out but I couldn't get my babies in the next room or even the one in my room either".

You're an Idiot.

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