No NV40 yet=?

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont have the 250gb, just the 250. Wonder if it will still work, I would think so. There isnt a performance increase in all games, but enough to warrant my attention.

It depends on whether 400fps vs 300fps is worth it to you.
The results show improvements for both cards, but more in some situations for nVdia, but there is a very limited test suite (Two Quake 3 based games, and there rest showed very little difference)

ATi still won in the DX based tests and nVidia in the OGL tests, as can be expected.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
edit, does someone have a link to these NV40/NF3 250 allegations? I just built a GF3 250+3400+ setup, and if there is indeed a huge performance increase, it may sway my money.

This is a recent thread talking about the GeForceFX with the NF3 (presumably, the NV40 will perform similarly):

thread

Although there are no 100% definitive results yet, it seems to me that the improvements are only in terms of lowering CPU overhead -- that is, they'll only help in CPU-bound situations (observe that the 3DMark03 *CPU* benches went noticeably up, but the 3DMark03 overall score didn't budge). So, while they help a good bit with something like Quake3, they may not be very useful for games like FarCry (which are much tougher on the graphics card, and less constrained by the CPU).

 

[SickBeast]

I don't see how nVidia could ever sell a 220-million transistor GPU at the same price as a 160-million transistor GPU. It doesn't make logical sense. That's similar to the trasistor difference between an AthlonXP and a Barton.

As for the delays, it would only matter to me if I had to upgrade now. Thankfully I don't so it's not a big deal as of yet. It is cause for concern though; they are obviously having serious problems, be it production or otherwise.

I agree that the 6800U will probably have more eye candy in games in a year or so. That said, there will always be advantages to either platform.

 

[OfficerDoofey]

my biggest problem is i am going to build a completely decked out games machine.... generally for the hl 2/doom 3 releases... but as always by the time the 6800 does hit the stands it will only be a month or two before the pci express versions follow etc etc....

how is a guy sposed to spend $4500 (australian) and feel happy about what he has got when the next revision/hardware advancment means that im using inferior tech... i know this is a rapid world of change... but i cant help but feel ripped off no matter how long i wait

just wanted to have a whinge.

 

[nitromullet]

Well, I just finished farcry over the weekend, and start school on Wednesday (less gaming time), so my pressing desire for a new video card has dropped a bit. Still, the delays are irritating. I have the money, why won't they take it?

 

[Schadenfroh]

ive waited this long, might as well wait for the nv45, they already have it running

 

[OfficerDoofey]

thats what i was leaning towards... i mean ive waited this long and to read in an anandtech article that the NV48 (rehashed NV40) will be out by the end of the year... with also the possibility of the NV45 (pci express) being out Q4... how long do we wait? or do we bite the bullet and buy the best card at the time regardless of whats 'around the corner'??

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: Steg55
Im not fussed about the delays - there always seem to be delays in the graphics market. I still havnt seen a X800PE on sale. When are they due?
Anyway - the delay gives me chance to save up for a 6800GT.

Steg

Ditto. I'm still rather pissed about the prices of these cards though. I bought both my GF2 GTS 32 meg and my GF4 Ti 4400 within a few months of launch, and got both for $250. At the time, both of these cards was exactly one step down from the top of the line (GF2 GTS 64 meg and GF4 Ti 4600). Now to get one step down (ignoring the $600 limited edition, almost vapor cards), you have to spend $350-$400 on a X800 Pro or a 6800GT. Annoying to have to pay that $100 extra for the same "level" of card.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

regardless of it being used NOW PS3 and the video en/decoder is a little more advanced than the 420 man no matter how you look at it the 420 is still a 9800 just faster.

It is more advanced. But ultimately the card is slightly slower. Pretty much every review site has the X800 XT as the fastest of the cards. And the retail Pros do seem to be overclocking very nicely.

nothing will touch a 6800GT or Ultra on a NF3-250 with the NF3/NV40 optimizations.

I doubt a GT will ever touch the XT, optimizations or not. Then of course they are not direct competitors. The Ultra might though.

Not that it matters now. Hardmodded $360 overclocked VGA giant 4'd X800 Pro kills all.:thumbsup:

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Well, I just finished farcry over the weekend

Haha...if this goes on much longer, everyone will beat Far Cry, defeating their purpose for an upgrade.

Then, if HL2 and DoomIII get delayed for another year, nobody will need to upgrade. :beer:

 

[OfficerDoofey]

haha We could be doing all this arguing over nothing if the big games arnt released soon... i mean if the big games (hl 2 / doom 3 etc) dont come before Q1 '05 then odds on there will be more cards out with better stats lol.... these current cards might miss out on everything all together lol

 

[Killrose]

Originally posted by: SickBeast


Haha...if this goes on much longer, everyone will beat Far Cry, defeating their purpose for an upgrade.

Then, if HL2 and DoomIII get delayed for another year, nobody will need to upgrade. :beer:

lol!, how true, however, by the time DX9c and the 6800 are released, Farcry will be available cheap and used in the FS/Trade forum. Also, most of the 6800's feature set is no-good without DX9c anyway's.

 

[Edge3D]

Originally posted by: Killrose

Originally posted by: SickBeast


Haha...if this goes on much longer, everyone will beat Far Cry, defeating their purpose for an upgrade.

Then, if HL2 and DoomIII get delayed for another year, nobody will need to upgrade. :beer:

lol!, how true, however, by the time DX9c and the 6800 are released, Farcry will be available cheap and used in the FS/Trade forum. Also, most of the 6800's feature set is no-good without DX9c anyway's.

I'm mainly upgrading for resolution increase. The new "big" games (HL2/D3), are just the final push for me to spend $500 on a video card, $500 on a processor (3400+ A64 or better), $200 motherboard (top of the line NF3 S939) and the rest of the goods that surround a system to last for a few years.

I play at 1024x768 right now.. and my system does that great. But if I'm going to upgrade at all, I want at least 1600x1200 and am probably going to spring for a 22" Iiyama or similar to game in 2048x1536.

Without such massive upgrades, leaves me with little desire to upgrade at all.
But I *think* 2048x1536 will be capable of running in a game as efficient as UT2K4 on the system that I'm dumping some money into. If not, I'll have a super-high res desktop.

If I can even read it. I've never seen 20x15 in person.

 

[visionen]

Well if atleast nvidia could break the silence...
That we dont even have a picture of for example, Gainward's 6800 cards is another bad thing. Only a few smaller AICs have released pictures of their 6800 ultra cards, well actually MSI have released some new pics that might be worth a look.

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_detail.php?UID=595

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Nvidia may not even release this geforce 6800.
Heck they announced that they were offering the first fully pci express family of GPUs back in February and you still cant buy any of them.
I bet the PCI express 5700 and 5900 will never make it thru a check out line either. They are ridiculous for "Launching" paper products that never get sold.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Nvidia may not even release this geforce 6800.
Heck they announced that they were offering the first fully pci express family of GPUs back in February and you still cant buy any of them.
I bet the PCI express 5700 and 5900 will never make it thru a check out line either. They are ridiculous for "Launching" paper products that never get sold.

Yeah they should release cards that there are no supporting chipsets for, thatd be a great idea...

 

[Acanthus]

Also the core is small on the X800 series, but it is low-k which is a higher cost wafer.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Nvidia may not even release this geforce 6800.
Heck they announced that they were offering the first fully pci express family of GPUs back in February and you still cant buy any of them.
I bet the PCI express 5700 and 5900 will never make it thru a check out line either. They are ridiculous for "Launching" paper products that never get sold.

Yeah they should release cards that there are no supporting chipsets for, thatd be a great idea...

Yeah they should Launch cards they're never going to release that also is a good idea.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Nvidia may not even release this geforce 6800.
Heck they announced that they were offering the first fully pci express family of GPUs back in February and you still cant buy any of them.
I bet the PCI express 5700 and 5900 will never make it thru a check out line either. They are ridiculous for "Launching" paper products that never get sold.

Yeah they should release cards that there are no supporting chipsets for, thatd be a great idea...

Yeah they should Launch cards they're never going to release that also is a good idea.

Just like ATis R9800 with PCI-E

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: visionen
Well if atleast nvidia could break the silence...
That we dont even have a picture of for example, Gainward's 6800 cards is another bad thing. Only a few smaller AICs have released pictures of their 6800 ultra cards, well actually MSI have released some new pics that might be worth a look.

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_detail.php?UID=595

That picture just looks like MSI just Photo Shopped some logos onto a picture of the reference board. I could be wrong, but that is what it looks like to me.

 

[nitromullet]

BFGTech has also updated their site to include the 6 series in their lineup. The availability dates are:

Late June - 6800 Ultra Overclocked (425/1100)
July - 6800 GT Overclocked (370/1000)
August - 6800 Overclocked (350/700)

 

[ty1er]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
BFGTech has also updated their site to include the 6 series in their lineup. The availability dates are:

Late June - 6800 Ultra Overclocked (425/1100)
July - 6800 GT Overclocked (370/1000)
August - 6800 Overclocked (350/700)

WTF Late June....... every day that goes buy seems like the retail release dates of these cards keeps on getting further and further away.

I thought that Albatron was suppose to be one of the first companies to release the 6800s. Around mid may. I guess that didnt happen.

 

[jiffylube1024]

This is yet another 3dfx trademark that Nvidia has inherited - delays.

Originally posted by: VisableAssassin

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: VisableAssassin
regardless of it being used NOW PS3 and the video en/decoder is a little more advanced than the 420 man no matter how you look at it the 420 is still a 9800 just faster.

3Dc? People seem to forget about that, for one reason or another. That and the fact that PS 3.0 has yet to be proven vastly superior.

Yes its hurting them. I dont like paper launches 2 months+ in advance, not that anyone does. They really need to hurry up and get at least something out of the door.

yes and temporal AA. But the base of the chip is still a 9800 man.

^ Don't forget the die shrink and increased number of pipelines, man!


So what if the X800 is just a 'souped up' 9800??? The GeForce 4 series was just a 'souped up' GF3 (no new major features), but that didn't stop it from being a great card, and a staple for years as the ultimate affordable mid/high end card.

 

[DrMindbender]

I don't think its good for either company. Its not like there are apple carts of X800s being flung to the starving masses either.

 

[Algere]

Wow

vote's split 50/50 now.