No NV40 yet=?

Edge3D

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From what I've read an NV40 should be available on the 7th. But this information (from gameve.com), cannot be validated.

I think this delay is getting to the point of hurting Nvidia. I dont think that announcing weeks before ATI, and then actually having a card available not until after them is not a good thing.

Its well known to those who have read my posts that I know that the NV40 is the superior card and chip to the ATI. Hands down.
But I had to tell one of my relatives who is looking for a replacement (RIGHT NOW) because his Geforce 4 died to buy a X800Pro. He wanted the best and so I told him that buying right now, he'd probably lose $100 over waiting a few weeks or even maybe just one week.

The best spot I've seen to buy one (in-stock) is Dell. $405 (about MSRP) with free shipping. Certainly not a BAD deal.. but not as good as Best Buys $360 or so (plus tax, of course).

Needless to say, is this tarnishing anyones view of the NV40? And does it cause concern the fact that if it IS hard to produce, that prices will not drop to the levels that the X800Pros will be capable of?

I'll put my 2sense in right now, its not tarnishing my view.. but if I was buying now I'd have no problem buying a X800Pro... as you get undebatably most of the speed, IQ and features of the 6800s, but you get it now.. not later and for a price ($400) that I dont find unreasonable.

It doesnt tarnish my view of the NV40.. but more is a BOOST to my viewpoint of the R420, as this delay has given me more time to consider it.. and come to the conclusion that it is "close enough" to the NV40s to warrant a purchase by anyone.

In a year or two, I dont think it will make a huge difference whether one person has a 6800 and the other a X800.. the 6800 will probably have some extra eye-candy in certain games.. and have the performance bragging rights.. but outside of "fanboy world/15year-old-boy-world" the two lines have never really been that far apart in either performance OR features.

Just trying to keep things in perspective and wondering if anyone has any DIFFERENT thoughts on the question above in bold.
 

EngenZerO

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I too am getting impatient of waiting. I got till June 21 when my x800xt ships from CompUSA. Hopefully if I am able to I will rather opt for a 6800 Ultra if I can get my hands on one. If not... nvidia looses 1 customer.
 

Lonyo

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Given that the PCI-Express samples of the NV45 were running at 350MHz, and that nVidia supposedly moved up the release of the GT and NU because they were speed binned products anyway, it suggests they are having issues, maybe not with yields of the chips themselves, but with chips that can run as Ultras.
Also, IBM apparently (according to XBitlabs) might not be able to produce enough chips.

I would buy an X800Pro/XT anyway, but nVidia don't seem to be helping themselves much by paper launching.
 

Matthias99

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Originally posted by: Edge3D
I think this delay is getting to the point of hurting Nvidia. I dont think that announcing weeks before ATI, and then actually having a card available not until after them is not a good thing.

Um, duh?
 

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Im not fussed about the delays - there always seem to be delays in the graphics market. I still havnt seen a X800PE on sale. When are they due?
Anyway - the delay gives me chance to save up for a 6800GT.

Steg
 

kylebisme

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lol, you would have just as much time to save up no matter when they came out, and the prices would be droping if they were out for a while anyway. ;)
 

JBT

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Not a big deal to me. Would it be nice if they were out so we could see them in retail and see some actual performance but its not happening so oh well. I don' plan on upgrading for awhile so I I could really give a crap.
 

Edge3D

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Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: Edge3D
I think this delay is getting to the point of hurting Nvidia. I dont think that announcing weeks before ATI, and then actually having a card available not until after them is not a good thing.

Um, duh?

Hush fanboy.
 

Genx87

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No real surprise here.

ATI doesnt have much out in the channel either. Basically their low end part. I would be surprised if in the next 14 days the cards dont start hitting the channel in volume.
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: Edge3D
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: Edge3D
I think this delay is getting to the point of hurting Nvidia. I dont think that announcing weeks before ATI, and then actually having a card available not until after them is not a good thing.

Um, duh?

Hush fanboy.

YOU'RE calling HIM a fanboy?

ahem...

Its well known to those who have read my posts that I know that the NV40 is the superior card and chip to the ATI. Hands down.

You might not know as much as you think you know...
 

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Yeah, its kinda pissing me off.

Currently i am running a spare 8mb old school video card. (the horror) So needless to say that im in need of a new video card. I was going to just pick up an FX series geforce card, but i figured that it would be best just to hold out for the 6800.

As the days/weeks go by and there seems to be NO offical word from any of the manufactures on a release date is getting real old really fast.

o'well whatcha gonna do.


-ty1er
 

Killrose

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I don't think this delay is a good thing for nVidia for obvious reasons, and unfortunately I think when the cards are released, there will only be a trickle of them and you will be paying higher than retail (gouged) for one. Just like what is happening with the X800pro.
 

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I think they are hurting themselves (both companies), as many are waiting to upgrade. A paper launch like this has also been a massive negative campaign on current products. Nvidia never misses a chance to state current hardware is dated and only their non-available 6800 has any decent features.
 

VisableAssassin

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: Edge3D
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: Edge3D
I think this delay is getting to the point of hurting Nvidia. I dont think that announcing weeks before ATI, and then actually having a card available not until after them is not a good thing.

Um, duh?

Hush fanboy.

YOU'RE calling HIM a fanboy?

ahem...

Its well known to those who have read my posts that I know that the NV40 is the superior card and chip to the ATI. Hands down.

You might not know as much as you think you know...

regardless of it being used NOW PS3 and the video en/decoder is a little more advanced than the 420 man no matter how you look at it the 420 is still a 9800 just faster.


now onto the topic at hand.
The delay sucks yes but not too worried about the delay it gives me time to stock pile some cash for a full out A64 939 pci express setup. by that time both bards should be out and the fun will begin.
But for right now my BFG 5900nu running a modded BFG 5950 BIOS is doing just fine for me right now.
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: VisableAssassin
regardless of it being used NOW PS3 and the video en/decoder is a little more advanced than the 420 man no matter how you look at it the 420 is still a 9800 just faster.


3Dc? People seem to forget about that, for one reason or another. That and the fact that PS 3.0 has yet to be proven vastly superior.

Yes its hurting them. I dont like paper launches 2 months+ in advance, not that anyone does. They really need to hurry up and get at least something out of the door.
 

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: VisableAssassin
regardless of it being used NOW PS3 and the video en/decoder is a little more advanced than the 420 man no matter how you look at it the 420 is still a 9800 just faster.


3Dc? People seem to forget about that, for one reason or another. That and the fact that PS 3.0 has yet to be proven vastly superior.

Yes its hurting them. I dont like paper launches 2 months+ in advance, not that anyone does. They really need to hurry up and get at least something out of the door.

yes and temporal AA. But the base of the chip is still a 9800 man.
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: VisableAssassin
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: VisableAssassin
regardless of it being used NOW PS3 and the video en/decoder is a little more advanced than the 420 man no matter how you look at it the 420 is still a 9800 just faster.


3Dc? People seem to forget about that, for one reason or another. That and the fact that PS 3.0 has yet to be proven vastly superior.

Yes its hurting them. I dont like paper launches 2 months+ in advance, not that anyone does. They really need to hurry up and get at least something out of the door.

yes and temporal AA. But the base of the chip is still a 9800 man.

That doesn't necessarily make it inferior.
 

VisableAssassin

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: VisableAssassin
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: VisableAssassin
regardless of it being used NOW PS3 and the video en/decoder is a little more advanced than the 420 man no matter how you look at it the 420 is still a 9800 just faster.


3Dc? People seem to forget about that, for one reason or another. That and the fact that PS 3.0 has yet to be proven vastly superior.

Yes its hurting them. I dont like paper launches 2 months+ in advance, not that anyone does. They really need to hurry up and get at least something out of the door.

yes and temporal AA. But the base of the chip is still a 9800 man.

That doesn't necessarily make it inferior.


but it doesnt make it superior neither.
 

Edge3D

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Originally posted by: VisableAssassin
The delay sucks yes but not too worried about the delay it gives me time to stock pile some cash for a full out A64 939 pci express setup. by that time both bards should be out and the fun will begin.

My thoughts exactly. For me, I'm waiting for the 939/PCX NF3-250 boards and by that time (I was first assuming this summer sometime), all the cards will have long been out.

But if I'm going to spend the kind of cash I'm planning on spending I want the most bang for the buck, and I think for longevity and performance.. nothing will touch a 6800GT or Ultra on a NF3-250 with the NF3/NV40 optimizations.

But I have nothing against the X800Pro now, damn nice card. Like I said, it has MOST of the performance/IQ/features of the 6800s.. so I dont know why anyone who didnt have other reasons for not upgrading today wouldnt just buy a X800Pro?
I would if I had system that was cutting edge today, or even near cutting edge.. basically if I had a 2500+ or better or a 2.8Ghz P4 or better I'd be buying a X800Pro and enjoying today.

Not that its not beautiful outside and it SUCKS to upgrade a computer in the middle of a summer like this (I prefer upgrading in winter for obvious reasons).

But I have a great UT2K4 machine now, and other than a bit of Neverwinter Nights action.. thats all I really do to use a cutting edge system... hopefully my 939/NF3 setup will be around the time or shortly after the Doom3/HL2 releases. I suspect it will.
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: VisableAssassin
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: VisableAssassin
regardless of it being used NOW PS3 and the video en/decoder is a little more advanced than the 420 man no matter how you look at it the 420 is still a 9800 just faster.


3Dc? People seem to forget about that, for one reason or another. That and the fact that PS 3.0 has yet to be proven vastly superior.

Yes its hurting them. I dont like paper launches 2 months+ in advance, not that anyone does. They really need to hurry up and get at least something out of the door.

yes and temporal AA. But the base of the chip is still a 9800 man.

The 9800 doesnt have 3Dc. Who cares if it is anyways, its still plenty fast.

edit, does someone have a link to these NV40/NF3 250 allegations? I just built a GF3 250+3400+ setup, and if there is indeed a huge performance increase, it may sway my money.
 

Edge3D

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Heres some benchmarks Ackmed
link

And confirmation at Tech Report that it works on FX AND the 6-series
link

You'll see in the first link they got up to a 35% increase using a FX and a NF3 in tandem. Whether or not its 5% or 35% improvement.. I'm pretty swayed by it.
 

Ackmed

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I dont have the 250gb, just the 250. Wonder if it will still work, I would think so. There isnt a performance increase in all games, but enough to warrant my attention.