No next gen cards until the Fall?

[apoppin]

expect the r520 to be released (paper launched) lateMay - earlyJune . . . . give it a few months for "availibility" . . .

The nVidia GPU will be (paper)Launched about the time the r520 is "available" - Fall . . . it will be "available" for Xmas [buying season].

Simple, no?
edit: nVidia PaperLaunching their new GPU when the r520 is available will keep their fanboys from migrating to ati . . . . it happens every year - except last year when they were (paper)launched together.

We don't have much information about specifics but we strongly believe that the G70 will be released very close to the R520's shipping date.

The r520 will be AVAILABLE in the early FALL - when the G70 is "released" (paperlaunched). . . .the g70 will be available - "later" . . . . so make your plans if you want an ATI card

i can't believe a SINGLE ONE of the posters ahead of me adressed the OP's question. :shocked:
:roll:

 

[Regs]

I'm going to have to photocopy somebodies books for school next year at these price rates.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: apoppin

i can't believe a SINGLE ONE of the posters ahead of me adressed the OP's question. :shocked:
:roll:

Thought I had, must be my poor use of language. :beer:

 

[Gstanfor]

Well, X, you don't have to buy high end while you wait for the next gen.

I'd suggest you pickup a 6600GT for right now.

That will boost you past 9800 Pro speeds (a good step up from your 9700), will allow you to evaluate SM3.0 cheaply and it will still be a card you can sell easily for a fair amount when you do buy your highend card.

I'd also sell that 768mb of memory you currently have and replace it with 1gb of PC3200. If you are staying with AMD for your upgrade and your current board can take PC3200 there is no disadvantage to upgrading the memory now.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: apoppin

i can't believe a SINGLE ONE of the posters ahead of me adressed the OP's question. :shocked:
:roll:

Thought I had, must be my poor use of language. :beer:

your language is fine. . .

Well, would you believe . . . only one?

i was surprised that most had missed the first part of the post and fixiated on the "upgrade now" part.

i wouldn't upgrade now . . . not IF i could hold out till August. . . . prices will be down (or heading down).

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Tweakin

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: X
I'm pushing right now with a 9700 pro, 1800+, 768M RAM system while playing games like EQ2 and Far Cry. They are playable, but I feel like I am missing out on a lot of content in the meantime. I don't mind waiting a few months...but the Fall seems so far off

I believe the X800XL already has SM 2.0 support...it is just missing the 3.0 support you get in the 6800.

Your 9700 also supports SM2.0. Your basically buying the same exact thing you have now, only faster if you buy an X800XL. Whenever somebody says that a new feature exists in the new X800 series, it always ends up that the older R3xx can do it too.

which is exactly why 6800GT is a better buy than both the x800pro and x800xl IMO

And that's just your opinion.

And would be my opinion as well.

 

[dug777]

actually the 9700 doesnt support sm2.0b, which effectively allows the X8--s to do what the nvidia cards can with sm3.0...

but really you're either a fanboy or an idiot if you think that for example you would buy a 6600GT over a 9800 pro because of sm3.0, you'd buy it cos its faster in most areas

what happens when you enable sm3.0 in riddick? thats right, a 6600GT can't handle it even the 6800GT and ultra get hammered when u enable it

By the time sm3.0 is really put to good use, the current gen will not be able to handle it, especially the 6600GT. Buy the fastest card for the games you are playing now, or wait for the next gen cards.

/thread.

 

[imported_X]

Good catch, apoppin. It's all rumor at this point anyway, but you are probably right that the R520 will be available in the Fall and the G70 for the holidays.

Are they really going to be gouging people for $1,000 on the 512MB 6800? :Q

Gstanfor, your suggestions make sense, except that I don't think I would be able to get the performance and graphics quality I want out of EQ2 with a 6600. I have a friend with a 6800GT, and he still has to turn down some of the settings in order to play.

 

[sbuckler]

Now is a terrible time to upgrade. If you upgrade now and get a single core cpu and current gen graphics you'll be kicking yourself in 6 months when it's all dual core and next gen graphics (giving twice the performance for similar money). I would just buy a faster athlon on ebay, and sell you existing one - should cost very little and give you a nice boost.

 

[Gstanfor]

Time for me to head for bed, but I will quickly say this.

From what I understand of discussions of EQ2 (I don't play it myself), it uses SM1.1 exclusively, and does a lot of multi-pass rendering as a result of that (which could be mostly avoided with SM2.0 and eliminated with SM3.0). It is the multipass rendering that causes the slowdowns.

I guess how you upgrade comes down to how desperately you want to play EQ2 *now* at good settings.

You could probably ask ATi users who play EQ2 what their performance is like - from what little I understand of ATi's F-Buffer, it allegedly helps multipass rendering (though I recall this didn't really help people trying to get Ruby to run properly on r9800 and below).

 

[Muhadib]

My advice to you is give this EQ2 video settings page a shot first, then see if you still have issues. (requires EQ2 login info)

My EQ2 Looks and runs great with the rig in my sig. (50FPS+ 1280 x 1024)

I've seen it go below 30FPS when in a big battle though.

I plan on dealing with what I have for now and upgrade when a good path comes about. It dosen't seem like there is a "good" path yet.

 

[imported_X]

Dual core will give me slower performance in EQ2 relative to a similarly priced single chip, not faster. I agree that graphics cards will be a lot better in six months, though. I just don't know if I want to hold out that long, given the poor performance I'm seeing in EQ2 with my current rig.

Thanks for the link, Muhadib...I'll take a look and do more tweaking to see if I can improve things to an acceptable level. The worst thing by far right now is dealing with the 30-60 second zone load times.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: X
Dual core will give me slower performance in EQ2 relative to a similarly priced single chip, not faster. I agree that graphics cards will be a lot better in six months, though. I just don't know if I want to hold out that long, given the poor performance I'm seeing in EQ2 with my current rig.

Thanks for the link, Muhadib...I'll take a look and do more tweaking to see if I can improve things to an acceptable level. The worst thing by far right now is dealing with the 30-60 second zone load times.

A new videocard won't make much difference there . . . how much system RAM do you have? 1GB is probably "necessary" for modern games . . . i know going from 512-1024MB really decreased my level load times (in RPGs and FPSs)

 

[hans030390]

That's why i got a 6600gt...fast, and shader model 3.0...smart choice for me

And whatever idiot claimed that Sm2.0 can do what SM3.0 can do...go read up...SM3.0 is what powers next gen games...2.0 probably wont even be compatible (from what i've heard...) there is quite a bit 2.0 cant do...read read read....

anyone who claims that 2.0 and 3.0 are almost the same...i claim you to know nothing about the shaders.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Tweakin

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: X
I'm pushing right now with a 9700 pro, 1800+, 768M RAM system while playing games like EQ2 and Far Cry. They are playable, but I feel like I am missing out on a lot of content in the meantime. I don't mind waiting a few months...but the Fall seems so far off

I believe the X800XL already has SM 2.0 support...it is just missing the 3.0 support you get in the 6800.

Your 9700 also supports SM2.0. Your basically buying the same exact thing you have now, only faster if you buy an X800XL. Whenever somebody says that a new feature exists in the new X800 series, it always ends up that the older R3xx can do it too.

which is exactly why 6800GT is a better buy than both the x800pro and x800xl IMO

And that's just your opinion.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/opinion1.gif


sorry couldn't resist

and I agree there's no reason to not get a 6800 GT over a similarly priced ATI card, right now, unless an R520 is in your (near) future. that being said, the X800 XL is a great 'hold you over' card if you plan on buying something new fairly soon (before the tide of SM3.0 games).

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: X
Dual core will give me slower performance in EQ2 relative to a similarly priced single chip, not faster. I agree that graphics cards will be a lot better in six months, though. I just don't know if I want to hold out that long, given the poor performance I'm seeing in EQ2 with my current rig.

Then do what I did and get a solid value mid range card with an eye towards upgrading later.

My NF4 SLI board will handle dual core. My 6600GT should fetch the vast majority of what I paid for it if I sell by the end of the year, so I'm really just out the depreciation on the CPU $20-30? If the 6600GT ends up being a champ and handling AoEIII and BF2 well, then I'll happily stick with it for a while longer.

 

[Insomniak]

I do have to say I'm very interested in the next gen cores. Nvidia has been EXTREMELY tight lipped about G70, probably moreso than any other processor launch I can remember. I have to wonder if they have something mind-blowing up their sleeves.

Either way, I think it'll be fun to watch.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
I do have to say I'm very interested in the next gen cores. Nvidia has been EXTREMELY tight lipped about G70, probably moreso than any other processor launch I can remember. I have to wonder if they have something mind-blowing up their sleeves.

Either way, I think it'll be fun to watch.

DX10 compliance would be a MAJOR trump card for them. The lack of it really would dampen the hype around this next generaiton of video cards, for me and I'd be inclined to wait it out. Plus, WTF are you gonna do with something as powerful as these cards now? Play Quake at 1900 FPS? Benchmark 3dMark05 and add a half inch to your e-penis?

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Insomniak
I do have to say I'm very interested in the next gen cores. Nvidia has been EXTREMELY tight lipped about G70, probably moreso than any other processor launch I can remember. I have to wonder if they have something mind-blowing up their sleeves.

Either way, I think it'll be fun to watch.

DX10 compliance would be a MAJOR trump card for them. The lack of it really would dampen the hype around this next generaiton of video cards, for me and I'd be inclined to wait it out. Plus, WTF are you gonna do with something as powerful as these cards now? Play Quake at 1900 FPS? Benchmark 3dMark05 and add a half inch to your e-penis?

By the time they're actually out in any sort of quantities, I'm sure Unreal Engine 3 games will already be near release at that point.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Insomniak
I do have to say I'm very interested in the next gen cores. Nvidia has been EXTREMELY tight lipped about G70, probably moreso than any other processor launch I can remember. I have to wonder if they have something mind-blowing up their sleeves.

Either way, I think it'll be fun to watch.

DX10 compliance would be a MAJOR trump card for them. The lack of it really would dampen the hype around this next generaiton of video cards, for me and I'd be inclined to wait it out. Plus, WTF are you gonna do with something as powerful as these cards now? Play Quake at 1900 FPS? Benchmark 3dMark05 and add a half inch to your e-penis?

By the time they're actually out in any sort of quantities, I'm sure Unreal Engine 3 games will already be near release at that point.

They've already said U3 should run fine on a 6600GT. Only thing I can think of is HL3 and the photo-realistic textures.....but that'll be, what, 2007?

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Insomniak
I do have to say I'm very interested in the next gen cores. Nvidia has been EXTREMELY tight lipped about G70, probably moreso than any other processor launch I can remember. I have to wonder if they have something mind-blowing up their sleeves.

Either way, I think it'll be fun to watch.

DX10 compliance would be a MAJOR trump card for them. The lack of it really would dampen the hype around this next generaiton of video cards, for me and I'd be inclined to wait it out. Plus, WTF are you gonna do with something as powerful as these cards now? Play Quake at 1900 FPS? Benchmark 3dMark05 and add a half inch to your e-penis?

By the time they're actually out in any sort of quantities, I'm sure Unreal Engine 3 games will already be near release at that point.

They've already said U3 should run fine on a 6600GT. Only thing I can think of is HL3 and the photo-realistic textures.....but that'll be, what, 2007?

Who can say...:brokenheart:

And UE3 still will run "fine" on a 6600GT I'm sure, but I imagine that this is at lower resolutions and settings. I personally like to run all my games at my LCD's native resolution (1680x1050) and at the highest quality settings, and I have serious doubts that even my 6800GT could do that in next-gen games like UE3-based stuff. Will it be expensive to upgrade? Of course. Will I be willing to spend the cash to do so? Most likely.

Photo-realistic textures....that's something that could seriously be improved upon in games. Even in the newer games, the "Big 3" from last year, textures are sometimes just too blurry/not detailed enough (when you're in a confined space, close to walls, etc.).

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Insomniak
I do have to say I'm very interested in the next gen cores. Nvidia has been EXTREMELY tight lipped about G70, probably moreso than any other processor launch I can remember. I have to wonder if they have something mind-blowing up their sleeves.

Either way, I think it'll be fun to watch.

DX10 compliance would be a MAJOR trump card for them. The lack of it really would dampen the hype around this next generaiton of video cards, for me and I'd be inclined to wait it out. Plus, WTF are you gonna do with something as powerful as these cards now? Play Quake at 1900 FPS? Benchmark 3dMark05 and add a half inch to your e-penis?

By the time they're actually out in any sort of quantities, I'm sure Unreal Engine 3 games will already be near release at that point.

They've already said U3 should run fine on a 6600GT. Only thing I can think of is HL3 and the photo-realistic textures.....but that'll be, what, 2007?

Who can say...:brokenheart:

And UE3 still will run "fine" on a 6600GT I'm sure, but I imagine that this is at lower resolutions and settings. I personally like to run all my games at my LCD's native resolution (1680x1050) and at the highest quality settings, and I have serious doubts that even my 6800GT could do that in next-gen games like UE3-based stuff. Will it be expensive to upgrade? Of course. Will I be willing to spend the cash to do so? Most likely.

Photo-realistic textures....that's something that could seriously be improved upon in games. Even in the newer games, the "Big 3" from last year, textures are sometimes just too blurry/not detailed enough (when you're in a confined space, close to walls, etc.).

like doom3 runs "fine" on a Radeon 8500.

that's what id says (said).

 

[imported_X]

I have 768MB of RAM right now. I'll want to upgrade my motherboard before increasing the RAM, but I want to go to 2GB due to the heavy requirements in games like EQ2. I also think a raptor should help with zone load times.

 

[imported_X]

There's a big difference between being able to run a game at minimum specs, and experiencing it in full glory. You can't get EQ2 and similar games in full glory with anything less than a 6800 Ultra or Radeon 850XT level card. I think games are already challenging the limits of what we currently have available.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Insomniak
I do have to say I'm very interested in the next gen cores. Nvidia has been EXTREMELY tight lipped about G70, probably moreso than any other processor launch I can remember. I have to wonder if they have something mind-blowing up their sleeves.

Either way, I think it'll be fun to watch.

DX10 compliance would be a MAJOR trump card for them. The lack of it really would dampen the hype around this next generaiton of video cards, for me and I'd be inclined to wait it out. Plus, WTF are you gonna do with something as powerful as these cards now? Play Quake at 1900 FPS? Benchmark 3dMark05 and add a half inch to your e-penis?

By the time they're actually out in any sort of quantities, I'm sure Unreal Engine 3 games will already be near release at that point.

They've already said U3 should run fine on a 6600GT. Only thing I can think of is HL3 and the photo-realistic textures.....but that'll be, what, 2007?

Who can say...:brokenheart:

And UE3 still will run "fine" on a 6600GT I'm sure, but I imagine that this is at lower resolutions and settings. I personally like to run all my games at my LCD's native resolution (1680x1050) and at the highest quality settings, and I have serious doubts that even my 6800GT could do that in next-gen games like UE3-based stuff. Will it be expensive to upgrade? Of course. Will I be willing to spend the cash to do so? Most likely.

Photo-realistic textures....that's something that could seriously be improved upon in games. Even in the newer games, the "Big 3" from last year, textures are sometimes just too blurry/not detailed enough (when you're in a confined space, close to walls, etc.).

like doom3 runs "fine" on a Radeon 8500.

that's what id says (said).

i tried running d3 on rigs with gf4mx and fx5200 cards in them (AXp2500/512mbof ram) which was apparently playable according to id, but i couldn't get them faster than 16-18fps with everything turned down/off at 600*600, so i don't really have a very high opinion of minimum specs