No new gun laws, enforce existing ones!

[bradly1101]

I hear this from the right all the time, and I hear it parroted here as if all conservatives have read the same talking points memo from the NRA, or have drunk the same Kool-Aid, liberally poured by Fox News.

But what does it mean? Are they saying that the police aren't doing their job? I heard Carly Fiorina offer some explanation today on one of the CNN shows by repeating it and then saying, "We know who the criminals are, we know they have guns, but Obama won't go after them!"

But what the hell does that mean? Should we subject those who have committed a crime to random searches to remove their guns? Would that not violate privacy laws and result in double jeopardy? And I wonder how gun rights advocates would react if anyone was targeted for gun seizure.

There is also this false equivalency that states that strict gun laws produce more gun crime. Which is it? The existing gun laws are all we need, or that they are a hindrance to public safety?

WTF?

 

[DrDoug]

I heard Jeb! on the radio today saying that Obama is full of crap and that there is no "gun show loophole" to block. My first thought was that if that's the case then Obama is signing an Executive Order that does nothing. No big deal then, right?

My second thought was that it's nice of Jeb! to assure us that there's nothing to worry about. :biggrin:

 

[MagickMan]

Well, if you don't enforce the ones we already have (we don't, the nation's DAs either can't be bothered or are already too overworked), new ones simply amount to confiscation and deterrence targeted at people who aren't the problem to begin with (people who attempt to obey the law in the first place).

You simply turn more people into lawbreakers, and given what's at stake they'll gladly do it, creating more friction between the gov't and the citizenry. Weren't you guys the ones complaining (and rightfully so) that we have too many people in prison as it is?

 

[ivwshane]

Well, if you don't enforce the ones we already have (we don't, the nation's DAs either can't be bothered or are already too overworked), new ones simply amount to confiscation and deterrence targeted at people who aren't the problem to begin with (people who attempt to obey the law in the first place).

You simply turn more people into lawbreakers, and given what's at stake they'll gladly do it, creating more friction between the gov't and the citizenry. Weren't you guys the ones complaining (and rightfully so) that we have too many people in prison as it is?

Are you drunk or are you really this fucking retarded? The OP specifically asked what they meant by not enforcing existing gun laws and here you come and say the same shit the people he cited said!

I tried to come up with something a liberal would say that is equally stupid but I couldn't. So feel free to come up with something yourself and if it sounds really stupid then you will know how your post sounded

 

[MagickMan]

Are you drunk or are you really this fucking retarded? The OP specifically asked what they meant by not enforcing existing gun laws and here you come and say the same shit the people he cited said!

They aren't wrong. But hey, if you're just hurling insults and talking out of your ass, I know I'm on the right path. That's really the only way to deal with you scumbags.

 

[MongGrel]

Are you drunk or are you really this fucking retarded?

I'd probably vote he's both.

Got me, but it seems normal in his case really.

 

[ivwshane]

They aren't wrong. But hey, if you're just hurling insults and talking out of your ass, I know I'm on the right path. That's really the only way to deal with you scumbags.

It's like talking to a brick wall with you. You clearly aren't smart enough to understand the OP's question so I suggest you just ignore this thread before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

 

[MagickMan]

I'd probably vote he's both.

Got me, but it seems normal in his case really.

*yawn* You're depressing.

 

[MagickMan]

It's like talking to a brick wall with you. You clearly aren't smart enough to understand the OP's question so I suggest you just ignore this thread before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

Don't you ever learn new tactics? This stupid shit was stale back in `09. If all you have are ad hominems (like that other dumbfuck following me around P&N tonight), you're just a waste of everyone's time.

 

[MongGrel]

*yawn* You're depressing.

And, you're just a troll.

*shrug*

 

[ivwshane]

Don't you ever learn new tactics? This stupid shit was stale back in `09. If all you have are ad hominems (like that other dumbfuck following me around P&N tonight), you're just a waste of everyone's time.

Oh, but your ever so insightful comments aren't a waste of everyone's time?

Please tell us again what "enforce existing gun laws" means by telling us that existing gun laws aren't being enforced. I don't want anyone to miss your brilliant commentary on the subject!

Lol! What a fucking moron you are!

 

[MagickMan]

And, you're just a troll.

*shrug*

Fucking hell, that's the mother of all projections. Your mouth is nothing but an oozing, gaping sore, but I'm the one who's trolling? Go put a goddamned bandage on that, Francis.

 

[MongGrel]

More Spam.

Have been told I cannot post GIF's anymore in P&N the past really, so has really gimped responses I guess.

Used to be a way to make a point fast and just be done with it.

 

[MagickMan]

Oh, but your ever so insightful comments aren't a waste of everyone's time?

Please tell us again what "enforce existing gun laws" means by telling us that existing gun laws aren't being enforced. I don't want anyone to miss your brilliant commentary on the subject!

Lol! What a fucking moron you are!

One of the largest, most pathetic morons on this forum is calling me an idiot? :awe:

You obviously don't understand what "enforce existing gun laws" means, you're displaying it right now, and that's the problem.

 

[MongGrel]

You've gotten too boring to even respond to.

 

[MagickMan]

More Spam.

Have been told I cannot post GIF's anymore in P&N the past really, so has really gimped responses I guess.

Used to be a way to make a point fast and just be done with it.

What a worthless bitch you are. 24 fucking hours... nothing but trolling from you. Is that a record? Probably not, since Alky used to be a member here.

You've gotten too boring to even respond to.

Nothing for originality, either.

 

[ivwshane]

One of the largest, most pathetic morons on this forum is calling me an idiot? :awe:

You obviously don't understand what "enforce existing gun laws" means, you're displaying it right now, and that's the problem.

Whoosh!!!

 

[MongGrel]

What a worthless bitch you are. 24 fucking hours... nothing but trolling from you. Is that a record? Probably not, since Alky used to be a member here.



Nothing for originality, either.

I usually leave my main rig up 24 hours a day, and have a tab open here.

I imagine a few people might, I'm not sitting at it full time moron.

It's probably on months at a time, whether I am posting or not.

 

[MagickMan]

Whoosh!!!

Goes the sound of air as it vacates your ears? We know, we know.

 

[MagickMan]

I usually leave my main rig up 24 hours a day, and have a tab open here.

I imagine a few people might, I'm not sitting at it full time moron.

It's probably on months at a time, whether I am posting or not.

You are "full time moron" <sic>. Caio.

 

[Venix]

Are you drunk or are you really this fucking retarded? The OP specifically asked what they meant by not enforcing existing gun laws and here you come and say the same shit the people he cited said!

They mean that federal firearms laws are rarely enforced. This isn't a controversial point or one worth explaining to someone too lazy to use a search engine.

I suppose that OP could request details from Charles Rangel (D-NY), who introduced the Enforce Existing Gun Laws Act last summer. Or recently-departed ATF Director Todd Jones, who testified that his department rarely arrests violators due to limited resources. Or NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre, who in a 2013 Senate hearing detailed the federal government's failure to prosecute nearly 76,000 attempts to illegally purchase firearms.

Seriously, what a lazy and stupid topic. At least ask something worthy of discussion, like, "If pro-gun politicians want to complain that federal firearm laws aren't enforced, shouldn't they try to increase funding for the agencies responsible for enforcement?"

 

[MongGrel]

You are "full time moron" <sic>. Caio.

And you lack any wit whatsoever.

But most people know that all ready.

You've furthered that opinion in many peoples minds at this point I guess.

If you want to post like a 10 year old that is your problem.

 

[MagickMan]

At least ask something worthy of discussion, like, "If pro-gun politicians want to complain that federal firearm laws aren't enforced, shouldn't they try to increase funding for the agencies responsible for enforcement?"

Ding ding ding! Good question, and one worth discussing. Legislation means practically nothing without enforcement, and considering how many times the budgets for those bureaus have been defunded in the last 14 years, it isn't surprising. Again, it comes down to money, a lack of it, and no amount of executive ink will make up the difference.

 

[MongGrel]

They mean that federal firearms laws are rarely enforced. This isn't a controversial point or one worth explaining to someone too lazy to use a search engine.

I suppose that OP could request details from Charles Rangel (D-NY), who introduced the Enforce Existing Gun Laws Act last summer. Or recently-departed ATF Director Todd Jones, who testified that his department rarely arrests violators due to limited resources. Or NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre, who in a 2013 Senate hearing detailed the federal government's failure to prosecute nearly 76,000 attempts to illegally purchase firearms.

Seriously, what a lazy and stupid topic. At least ask something worthy of discussion, like, "If pro-gun politicians want to complain that federal firearm laws aren't enforced, shouldn't they try to increase funding for the agencies responsible for enforcement?"

Just ignore him dude.

He's in idiot mode.

 

[ivwshane]

They mean that federal firearms laws are rarely enforced. This isn't a controversial point or one worth explaining to someone too lazy to use a search engine.

I suppose that OP could request details from Charles Rangel (D-NY), who introduced the Enforce Existing Gun Laws Act last summer. Or recently-departed ATF Director Todd Jones, who testified that his department rarely arrests violators due to limited resources. Or NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre, who in a 2013 Senate hearing detailed the federal government's failure to prosecute nearly 76,000 attempts to illegally purchase firearms.

Seriously, what a lazy and stupid topic. At least ask something worthy of discussion, like, "If pro-gun politicians want to complain that federal firearm laws aren't enforced, shouldn't they try to increase funding for the agencies responsible for enforcement?"

So you know what laws aren't being enforced but can't be bothered to answer the OP's question? Have you ever heard of the saying, "you don't know what you don't know"?

But hey, at least your answer will give the OP a start on where to look unlike the other moron posting in this thread.