No new gun laws, enforce existing ones!

[mysticjbyrd]

Do you actually think that a required registration will fix the gun crimes/ inner city shootings?

It will help decrease the number of illegal guns floating around. People won't be so quick to illegally sell guns, if they might be held responsible. Will this decrease gun violence by any sizable amount at first? Almost certainly not, but it's an important first step to get the situation under control.

Even if it only saves a few people, it seems worth doing. Universal background checks and registrations don't infringe on anyone's rights. Heck you said it yourself that it's a simple painless process.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Over 700,000 background checks for gun purchases have been denied over the last 10 years. These 700,000 denials are people committing a crime and are not being prosecuted. THIS is just one of the laws not being enforced. There is no 'Kool-Aid' being served. Just info right from the NCIC page of the FBI website.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

Wait why would a denial = people commiting a crime? Denial means they were not able to purchase a firearm due to bad background history.

 

[highland145]

It will help decrease the number of guns floating around. People won't be so quick to illegally sell guns, if they might be held responsible.
BS, esky estimated 10M private sales last year.
Will this decrease gun violence by any sizable amount at first? Almost certainly not, but it's an important first step to get the situation under control.
BS, opinion.
Even if it only saves a few people, it seems worth doing. Universal background checks doesn't infringe on anyone's rights. Heck you said it yourself that it's a simple painless process.

BS...shall not be infringed. If I have to call the feds, infringed. And did you miss the part I said about felons and guns?

So grow a pair. Just say you would be all in for gun confiscation and/or no private citizen owning more that 1 hunting rifle. The left does this silly dance around gun rhetoric (1st because they have no clue), "assault weapon ban", "gun show loop hole ban", "helpless grandma ban".... Just say you would take every gun from every citizen if you could.

This won't break your mouse but you might be enlightened....doubtful.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/the-armed-citizen

Edit: Not to mention that the fed does not prosecute felons for trying to get guns. Really? So you want more regs. Why?

 

[MongGrel]

It will help decrease the number of illegal guns floating around. People won't be so quick to illegally sell guns, if they might be held responsible. Will this decrease gun violence by any sizable amount at first? Almost certainly not, but it's an important first step to get the situation under control.

Even if it only saves a few people, it seems worth doing. Universal background checks and registrations don't infringe on anyone's rights. Heck you said it yourself that it's a simple painless process.

You're a funny guy.

 

[highland145]

You're a funny guy.

troll or left of bernie and that's saying something.

 

[highland145]

Wait why would a denial = people commiting a crime? Denial means they were not able to purchase a firearm due to bad background history.

And what does that mean? Work with me here.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

So grow a pair. Just say you would be all in for gun confiscation and/or no private citizen owning more that 1 hunting rifle. The left does this silly dance around gun rhetoric (1st because they have no clue), "assault weapon ban", "gun show loop hole ban", "helpless grandma ban".... Just say you would take every gun from every citizen if you could.

This won't break your mouse but you might be enlightened....doubtful.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/the-armed-citizen

Edit: Not to mention that the fed does not prosecute felons for trying to get guns. Really? So you want more regs. Why?

I knew the slippery slope fallacy would come out....

And what does that mean? Work with me here.

It's not inherently illegal to fail the background check.

What matters is they didn't get the gun.


1. Convicted of a crime punishable by more than one year or a misdemeanor punishable by more than two years: 674,232

NICS has stopped more than 600,000 people convicted of a crime from acquiring a weapon since 1998. When the background check system flags a purchaser for a felony or another qualifying conviction, the transaction is stopped.

All purchasers are required to fill out a Firearms Transaction Record, or Form 4473, before a background check is initiated. If they lie about their criminal history on the form, they will have committed a new felony punishable by up to five years in prison, though it isn’t clear how often these perjurers are punished.

http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/gun-background-checks-nics-failure/

 

[highland145]

I knew the slippery slope fallacy would come out....

lol...

Just admit that I pegged you.


It's OK because a large % of American socialists agree. Just think if HC does get charged (not), Bernie will be your man on the ballot.

 

[highland145]

Your edit.

NICS has stopped more than 600,000 people convicted of a crime from acquiring a weapon since 1998. When the background check system flags a purchaser for a felony or another qualifying conviction, the transaction is stopped.

Which was the reason for 300(?) more FBI background checkers, right?

If they lie about their criminal history on the form, they will have committed a new felony punishable by up to five years in prison, though it isn’t clear how often these perjurers are punished.

lolol

"In 2009, the Federal Bureau of Investigation referred more than 71,000 such cases to ATF, but U.S. attorneys ultimately prosecuted only 77 of them."

77 of 71K....keep digging.


I bet the F&F guys got a pass.


Edit: Just admit that I pegged you. It's fine. I'm on the other end of the scale.

 

[highland145]

Hey, bernie, you posted so quickly you must not have read though the link in post 128. Take a peek and get back to me.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

And what does that mean? Work with me here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System#Prohibited_persons

Let's take examples

1. Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution;
2. Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner;
3. Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

None of those 3 conditions make you a criminal this instant when you fail an NCIS background check. The background check does confirm whether or not you're a wanted criminal at this instant, but thats not the only criteria you can fail for. It's that it also looks at history and if you're deemed "high risk" based on certain circumstances you can't get a weapon.


Just because you fail doesn't mean you go to jail. That was my point. I agree a lot of gun laws probably aren't very well enforced, but your example wasn't really correct.

 

[MagickMan]

It will help decrease the number of illegal guns floating around.

Nope, because that's not how they're reaching the street. Quality firearms aren't the problem, it's the $100 junk from Mexico that is.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Nope, because that's not how they're reaching the street. Quality firearms aren't the problem, it's the $100 junk from Mexico that is.

ahh the guns go the other way champ...

 

[highland145]

ahh the guns go the other way champ...

QFT. Just ask Brian Terry's family.

 

[bradly1101]

Interesting reading on this:

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/02/11/12155/current-gun-debate-may-not-help-beleaguered-atf

But despite the post-Newtown atmosphere, dramatic change at ATF seems highly unlikely. When Presidents Reagan and Clinton threatened to send ATF’s functions to the FBI and Secret Service, both ATF defenders and the NRA moved decisively to prevent that from happening. President Obama has so far opted not to re-fight that battle. And it's not clear that Congress is seriously interested in giving ATF the resources and power it needs to identify and arrest gun criminals. Absent major new developments, that leaves ATF in the same handicapped state it’s been in for years. And that seems to be just the way a lot of people like it.