This really isn't about being mean or not-accepting of people who are different. It's about common sense. I can't tell from looking at you what you identify with or what other mental problems you have, nor do I care, I'll treat you the same as everyone else. He and She are perfectly sufficient.
This really isn't about being mean or not-accepting of people who are different. It's about common sense. I can't tell from looking at you what you identify with or what other mental problems you have, nor do I care, I'll treat you the same as everyone else. He and She are perfectly sufficient.
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TheGardener
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Seinfeld on creepy PC lines moving in on college campuses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXDHjwaUtPI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXDHjwaUtPI
flexy
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Now. You read this. You laugh and think it's hilarious because it sure is. Then you realize, this is REALITY...
Well what do we have for single person, gender neutral? "It" is more genderless and rarely refers to a human, "you" only refers to the other person the person is talking to, "them" is plural.
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Considering the people who put forward such schemes, I hereby nominate "obnoxious idiot" as our new single person, gender neutral term.
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Look man, I'm gonna clarify my position on this a little bit. I'm not saying I dont accept people, I could give a shit less what people want to do or be. Women want to be men , men want to be women, guys want to marry their goats then fucking go for it if thats what makes you happy.
Doesn't mean I have to like it, or agree with it, or associate with it, or even abide it, because thats my freedom of choice. If you want to go and do something that's your freedom of choice. Might not be my choice but I'm not here to tell you how to live.
By the same right you can't tell me how to live or what to say think or feel either. That's mine and mine alone brother. Maybe I'm offended by you, maybe you're offended by me and that's A-OK too. We don't have to agree but that's not going to stop me from being me and I damn sure don't expect you or anyone else to stop being anything but who they are.
But when I read about shit like this and now we've got to go and rewrite the entire english language because this group or that group gets offended by it; that's where I call bullshit.
Look man it's plan and simple. Some motherfucker is always going to be offended by some other motherfucker saying some kind of shit or another. Someone probably is getting offended reading this that I used the word motherfucker even... but we're not going to write it out of the english language just because someone doesn't like to be called that word.
For example; you can call someone a n!gg3r (haha, love how the forum bleeped that out - thats so perfectly fitting in the context of this post) and I'm probably going to get offended and I may even come over and kick your ass for saying it... but then I may or may not get arrested for my own actions.
The point is you've got to pick your battles in life and this one is a loser with a capitol 'L'!
And speaking of life; Life hurts so get a fucking helmet! And if that offends you then sack up and get over it. That's the real world my brother.
Now please excuse me while I finish the episode of Bill Maher I've had on pause the whole while I was jamming this out on my phone.
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How about if a dude wants to be a girl and someone correctly identifies and calls him by his actual physical identity, the onus is on him to politely say "Excuse me, but please refer to me as a female. I am transitioning to female and that helps make my life easier." Most people will comply, and those who won't, well, why would a trannie care what those people think anyway? Seems to me that's a lot more sensible than trying to invent new nonsense words because you want to control everyone around you.
Just because we no longer punish those outside the natural norms doesn't mean we need to start punishing everyone inside those norms. Nobody owes you a safe zone free of anything you don't want to hear. Nobody owes you a world free of whatever you declare to be your sad clown triggers. Grow the fuck up.
You, sir, are awesome. That's the best post I've read in a long time.
One thing we in America desperately need to relearn is that there is no right to not be offended.
lol And I love you for it.
The lack of a gender neutral singular pronoun is indeed a grammatical annoyance. For sentences like, "if a person wants money, [blank] should find a job," there's no particularly good word to put in the blank. "He" is inaccurate, "he/she" sounds stupid, and the singular "they" is just obnoxious.
However, what's being proposed here is not a gender neutral pronoun in that sense. These are instead special new pronouns for whiny attention whores who don't identify as male or female. "xe" can only be used to refer to someone who chose that specific pronoun; if thon instead prefers "jee," "per," or "ve," calling ver "xe" is horribly offensive. Rather than fixing the gender neutral pronoun issue, this stupidity exacerbates it.
I'm sure they will be very sad to hear of two things:
1. That they won't be getting your donations anymore, which I'm sure were substantial.
2. That people base whether or not they donate to their alma mater on their voluntary pronoun guidance.
I mean if you've graduated people who base their charitable giving on what sort of pronouns people are using you've failed as an educational institution in at least some way.
I can't imagine how little money was spent on that. Also, I don't know what percentage of UT's budget comes from state funds but my guess is it's much less than you think. Finally, state funding for universities explicitly doesn't carry with it the ability to meddle in this sort of thing, and for good reason.
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Eski its simply silly and arrogant to make up words that don't exist address a problem that barely exists. Who is to say these x words won't reflect him or her at some point.
How do you think a job interview would go if someone used these words?
If you went on a date would you use these words? How would you feel if your date asked you to use these words?
At the school level how much wasted time is it for people to figure out when and what word to use, what about books or literature that use him or her, what about an English paper that uses these words are they spelled right are they even words that can be graded?
You are free to use them others are free to ignore them and others are free to laugh at them.
How do you think a job interview would go if someone used these words?
If you went on a date would you use these words? How would you feel if your date asked you to use these words?
At the school level how much wasted time is it for people to figure out when and what word to use, what about books or literature that use him or her, what about an English paper that uses these words are they spelled right are they even words that can be graded?
You are free to use them others are free to ignore them and others are free to laugh at them.
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This whole topic of genderless pronouns goes to support the notion that there are a dozen or two dozen gender choices. Supposedly, and this is becoming mainstream, one can pick and choose a gender like choosing an order from a Chinese restaurant. One from column A; one from column B; etc.
So what pronoun does one use for a male who dresses up as a women? The hard left wants everyone not to call him a him, because he perceives himself as a women. Well if you still have a penis you are a man.
Now this man starts undergoing hormonal treatments. He still has a penis, so he is still a man. But in the political correct world, which is now mainstream, he is not a he. Think Caitlyn Jenner. At least I think he still has a penis. If so, I'm not still not calling him a her. I don't care that Jenner bought himself a "Courage" award on his way to promoting himself to becoming a billionaire. He may want this sex change, but he's going to milk it for every last cent he can. Jenner will do this under the guise of civil rights. He's always been wired this way. Where do you think those Kardashian's learned all this manipulation of the media?
Back in the days of absolute monarchies, kings had guards, who were assigned to protect their wife or wives, neutered to ensure no hanky panky while the king is off making war in a foreign land. They called them eunuchs. I have no idea what the pronoun is to describe a eunuchs. Since this is going to become a major trend, maybe we need one. But that doesn't mean that all personal pronouns need to change. Only the hard left will push this political correctness on society. It starts with voluntary indoctrination on the college campuses and then spreads to government and then to corporations. Somewhere along the line this voluntary aspect is changed to not so voluntary. The term hate crime will be well established by then. Give an inch, they'll take a mile!
So what pronoun does one use for a male who dresses up as a women? The hard left wants everyone not to call him a him, because he perceives himself as a women. Well if you still have a penis you are a man.
Now this man starts undergoing hormonal treatments. He still has a penis, so he is still a man. But in the political correct world, which is now mainstream, he is not a he. Think Caitlyn Jenner. At least I think he still has a penis. If so, I'm not still not calling him a her. I don't care that Jenner bought himself a "Courage" award on his way to promoting himself to becoming a billionaire. He may want this sex change, but he's going to milk it for every last cent he can. Jenner will do this under the guise of civil rights. He's always been wired this way. Where do you think those Kardashian's learned all this manipulation of the media?
Back in the days of absolute monarchies, kings had guards, who were assigned to protect their wife or wives, neutered to ensure no hanky panky while the king is off making war in a foreign land. They called them eunuchs. I have no idea what the pronoun is to describe a eunuchs. Since this is going to become a major trend, maybe we need one. But that doesn't mean that all personal pronouns need to change. Only the hard left will push this political correctness on society. It starts with voluntary indoctrination on the college campuses and then spreads to government and then to corporations. Somewhere along the line this voluntary aspect is changed to not so voluntary. The term hate crime will be well established by then. Give an inch, they'll take a mile!
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How about you shut the fuck you fucking pussy who is such a fucking pussy ze thinks that calling other people pussies make zim a man. You are such weak sauce because when you open your mouth you do the exact thing you purport to despise and ridicule. Stupid ass. Forgive me if I stepped on your tender tiny zuts.
flexy
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Inventing genderless nouns and basically DENYING that genders exist?
How absolutely stupid is this?
The problem (if we want to go the liberal route) is not the denial of the existence of genders, but the acceptance of genders and doing this without assigning any preconceived/biased roles to genders. All effing problems solved! Obviously, understanding this is beyond the intellect of those people...
* Furthermore....
Is the idea stupid beyond measures since assigning a new noun to, say, transgenders etc. while the rest of folks can keep their nouns would do exactly the opposite, OF COURSE.
It would not "integrate" the TG or homosexuals but instead single them out. (Obviously it needs an IQ > 10 to grasp this which that lady obviously doesn't have)
I could also argue that in case someone would press for a general introduction of those new nouns to ALL people - those folks who are "normal" and happy with/proud of their gender are actually discriminated.
In other words: I could say I am a happy male and I would certainly be insulted if someone starts to call me "zi" or whatever.
So the result..."integrating" a few minorities...at the cost of many more other folks and denying them their actual identity as males/females?
How absolutely stupid is this?
The problem (if we want to go the liberal route) is not the denial of the existence of genders, but the acceptance of genders and doing this without assigning any preconceived/biased roles to genders. All effing problems solved! Obviously, understanding this is beyond the intellect of those people...
* Furthermore....
Is the idea stupid beyond measures since assigning a new noun to, say, transgenders etc. while the rest of folks can keep their nouns would do exactly the opposite, OF COURSE.
It would not "integrate" the TG or homosexuals but instead single them out. (Obviously it needs an IQ > 10 to grasp this which that lady obviously doesn't have)
I could also argue that in case someone would press for a general introduction of those new nouns to ALL people - those folks who are "normal" and happy with/proud of their gender are actually discriminated.
In other words: I could say I am a happy male and I would certainly be insulted if someone starts to call me "zi" or whatever.
So the result..."integrating" a few minorities...at the cost of many more other folks and denying them their actual identity as males/females?
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MongGrel
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flexy
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It's not relevant. The gender, genitals etc. do not HAVE to be relevant for whatever.
Or simpler: If Jack wishes a Barbie for Christmas, it's "in principle" ok, the problem is merely that society does not expect him to play with a Barbie because we assigned roles already. THIS is the problem.
I myself have no problem if Jack says he identifies as woman or Jackie says she's really a man.
The funny thing is that the "political correctness" here only serves to correct (aka "do away with") preconceived ideas IN HINDSIGHT. The actual problem is the preconceived ideas in the first place.
This was unexpected.
And really made me grin.
Hehe, what do you say to somebody who thinks throwing an emotional tantrum makes him sound like he really knows what he's talking about, that it adds to his credibility thereby displaying the same childish reactivity to the actions of others that he childishly condemns.
I could just go get a wind up jumping monkey with a little sign that says, "Be politically correct, jump up and down about political correctness, fuckers."
This place is one huge barrel of monkeys.
MongGrel
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Those are about fleecing everybody you know for gifts, an ancient primate custom. Sometimes the groomed, sometimes the groomer. Kids happen.
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You may well be correct about this (meaning the use of new words to avoid giving gender-identity offense) being a losing battle. But I'm not so sure about the overall "battle" about gender-identity sensitivity. I can remember not so long ago when women's groups started complaining about the use of "he" and "his" as general personal pronouns, and insisted that more gender-neutral language be used. The negative reactions to those complaints/requests were very, very similar to the reactions we're seeing now to the new complaints about gender-identity insensitivity.
If I were a betting man, I'd wager that these new pronouns will NOT be adopted, because they seem so strange. By comparison, the shift to gender-neutral language many years ago was accomplished by just using existing, common language in a slightly different way. So I think gender-identity-sensitive language will evolve similarly; we'll continue to use existing language, but we'll become more and more careful to avoid expressions that imply assumptions about the subject's/object's gender-identity.
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