No More Green Eggs And Ham For YOU

[HumblePie]

Unfortunately, I can find nothing to substantiate the idea that the Louden County school board removed any books from any list, and I have looked. You have repeated it several times so you must have a source, and I would appreciate it if you would post it.

Are you being serious? I already posted a link to it with the nypost article. I'll do it again.

Virginia school district refuses to tout Dr. Seuss’ birthday on Read Across America Day

They will not fete him here or there. They will not fete him anywhere. A Virginia school district refuses to tout Dr. Seuss’ birthday on Read Across America Day on Tuesday — claiming th…

nypost.com

The Louden School District literally went to lengths to not recommend Dr Seuss books on the Read Across America event which is literally based upon Dr Seuss's birthday as a celebration to him and childhood reading. Don't conflate "not recommending or not encouraging" with banning. I never said they banned the books and no one I know has made that claim either. At most, the strong term used is "cancelled" which isn't the same thing as banned which is a term used by more conservative news outlets like fox for example.

Virginia school system cancels Dr. Seuss, citing racial 'undertones' in writings: report

Celebrated American children’s author Dr. Seuss is now considered too controversial for one of Virginia's largest school districts

www.foxnews.com

Here is Louden School District official page and public statement to the rumor of bannings.

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Dr. Seuss books have not been banned in Loudoun County Public Schools (LCPS). LCPS believes this rumor started because March 2 is “Read Across America Day.” Schools in LCPS, and across the country, have historically connected Read Across America Day with Dr. Seuss’ birthday. Research in recent years has revealed strong racial undertones in many books written/illustrated by Dr. Seuss. Examples include anti-Japanese American political cartoons and cartoons depicting African Americans for sale captioned with offensive language. Given this research, and LCPS’ focus on equity and culturally responsive instruction, LCPS provided this guidance to schools during the past couple of years to not connect Read Across America Day exclusively with Dr. Seuss’ birthday. We continue to encourage our young readers to read all types of books that are inclusive, diverse and reflective of our student community, not simply celebrate Dr. Seuss. Dr. Seuss books have not been banned and are available to students in our libraries and classrooms, however, Dr. Seuss and his books are no longer the emphasis of Read Across America Day in Loudoun County Public Schools.

I highlighted in bold the part where they are NOT RECOMMENDING Dr Seuss anymore for the Read Across America day.

The official Read Across America website has stripped all references to Dr Seuss as well. Using the official search for ANY Dr Seuss book will not return one as a recommended book to read.

Read Across America | NEA

Let's read and grow together with 12 months of recommended titles, authors, and teaching resources that promote diversity and inclusion.

www.nea.org

Not that it matters that Dr Seuss isn't mentioned, it just seems weird to have a celebration event for a man's birthday and then never mention that person or his work at all.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Are you being serious? I already posted a link to it with the nypost article. I'll do it again.

Virginia school district refuses to tout Dr. Seuss’ birthday on Read Across America Day

They will not fete him here or there. They will not fete him anywhere. A Virginia school district refuses to tout Dr. Seuss’ birthday on Read Across America Day on Tuesday — claiming th…

nypost.com

The Louden School District literally went to lengths to not recommend Dr Seuss books on the Read Across America event which is literally based upon Dr Seuss's birthday as a celebration to him and childhood reading. Don't conflate "not recommending or not encouraging" with banning. I never said they banned the books and no one I know has made that claim either. At most, the strong term used is "cancelled" which isn't the same thing as banned which is a term used by more conservative news outlets like fox for example.

Virginia school system cancels Dr. Seuss, citing racial 'undertones' in writings: report

Celebrated American children’s author Dr. Seuss is now considered too controversial for one of Virginia's largest school districts

www.foxnews.com

Here is Louden School District official page and public statement to the rumor of bannings.

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I highlighted in bold the part where they are NOT RECOMMENDING Dr Seuss anymore for the Read Across America day.

The official Read Across America website has stripped all references to Dr Seuss as well. Using the official search for ANY Dr Seuss book will not return one as a recommended book to read.

Read Across America | NEA

Let's read and grow together with 12 months of recommended titles, authors, and teaching resources that promote diversity and inclusion.

www.nea.org

Not that it matters that Dr Seuss isn't mentioned, it just seems weird to have a celebration event for a man's birthday and then never mention that person or his work at all.

Christ, how much longer can this idiotic thread go on and why is this dude using right wing tabloid sites to justify his position?

 

[HumblePie]

Christ, how much longer can this iodic thread go on and why is this dude using right wing tabloid sites to justify his position?

LOL, you are an idiot. You literally are not reading the thread and making your own stupid assertations because you want to continue to be an idiot.

 

[zzyzxroad]

LOL, you are an idiot. You literally are not reading the thread and making your own stupid assertations because you want to continue to be an idiot.

I have not read most of this thread or your post but I see you linked NYP and FOX news.

Here ae the fats on the story. A book publisher nixed some of their portfolio because they evidentially did not like the message in them. Nut jobs fueled by right wing propaganda made a mountain out of that molehill. This whole topic is hardly newsworthy.

 

[allisolm]

Are you being serious? I already posted a link to it with the nypost article. I'll do it again.

Virginia school district refuses to tout Dr. Seuss’ birthday on Read Across America Day

They will not fete him here or there. They will not fete him anywhere. A Virginia school district refuses to tout Dr. Seuss’ birthday on Read Across America Day on Tuesday — claiming th…

nypost.com

The Louden School District literally went to lengths to not recommend Dr Seuss books on the Read Across America event which is literally based upon Dr Seuss's birthday as a celebration to him and childhood reading. Don't conflate "not recommending or not encouraging" with banning. I never said they banned the books and no one I know has made that claim either. At most, the strong term used is "cancelled" which isn't the same thing as banned which is a term used by more conservative news outlets like fox for example.

Virginia school system cancels Dr. Seuss, citing racial 'undertones' in writings: report

Celebrated American children’s author Dr. Seuss is now considered too controversial for one of Virginia's largest school districts

www.foxnews.com

Here is Louden School District official page and public statement to the rumor of bannings.

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I highlighted in bold the part where they are NOT RECOMMENDING Dr Seuss anymore for the Read Across America day.

The official Read Across America website has stripped all references to Dr Seuss as well. Using the official search for ANY Dr Seuss book will not return one as a recommended book to read.

Read Across America | NEA

Let's read and grow together with 12 months of recommended titles, authors, and teaching resources that promote diversity and inclusion.

www.nea.org

Not that it matters that Dr Seuss isn't mentioned, it just seems weird to have a celebration event for a man's birthday and then never mention that person or his work at all.

I read all of those things and NONE of them say Louden County removed 6 Seuss books from their recommended reading list. NONE of them say that Louden county removed ANY books from ANY list. No lists are mentioned. No books are named. No titles are mentioned. No lists are mentioned.

You said over and over that Louden County had removed 6 Dr. Seuss books from their recommended reading list . That did not happen. Your links do not show that. The Louden County page does not show that. Nothing shows that. It didn't happen. They sent out an email with the SAME INFORMATION THEY HAD SENT FOR THE 2 YEARS PRIOR. so it is NOT that they are not recommending Dr Seuss anymore for the Read Across America day. They have not recommended it for a couple of years now.

"LCPS provided this guidance to schools during the past couple of years to not connect Read Across America Day exclusively with Dr. Seuss’ birthday. Dr. Seuss and his books are no longer the emphasis of Read Across America Day in Loudoun County Public Schools."

So your attempt to connect events that never happened with events that have happened over some years span with some current event fails miserably no matter how many unidentified people are pushing this conspiracy theory. Your list of facts has to include things that ARE facts, rather than things that didn't even happen, things that didn't happen in the order you present them, things that didn't happen as you present them. We all know from the last 4 years that "people are saying" or any equivalent is a prelude to a claim that is dubious at best.

 

[brycejones]

At what point do repeated falsehoods from a member become trolling?

 

[Lanyap]

The issue on this is that a Virginia school system and Biden both pre-emptively stated they were not recommending some Dr. Seuss books for the Read Across America week long school event that is meant to celebrate reading Dr. Seuss books for his birthday. After that happen, the organization in charge of publishing Dr. Seuss books decided to stop publishing them. Probably coincidence, and might not be. Either way it comes off as sus. If the publisher had removed those books all on their own without any public statements made by public orgs or the government beforehand then no one would care about this issue at all. Books go in and out of publication all the time. The other big issue is the reason these are being removed. It smacks of censorship by organizations. I am fine with parents not wanting their kids to read certain books they disagree with. Any parent can go over the recommended book list and ask the teachers of their kids not to read those books to their kids. Trust me it works and teachers respect that. Doing this is called good parenting. Having orgs try to dictate what should or shouldn't be read isn't exactly something I agree with.

So much for your timeline.
The announcement was made AFTER Louden School District and Biden announcements. They can claim to the world they were thinking about removing it a year before, but it was ANNOUNCED on March 2nd 2021. That's why it smacks of censorship with most people. You have again once proven you have no reading comprehension as I said the publisher ANNOUNCED on the 2nd which was after the statements made by other orgs beforehand. The fact is that the publications for those books still were being continued until that announcement by the publisher was made. That such timing makes everything sus.

My point is that the timing makes it seem that the statements by Biden, Louden School District, and various media outlets prior to the March 2nd announcement by the publisher makes it feel like indirect censorship to many people. People here being the average person's take on the situation. Again, I have no problem with the publisher removing those books from publication if those books just aren't worth it financially. They probably aren't worth it. If it is indirect censorship though I have a little problem with that. Let me as a parent decide what my kids can or can't read. I don't want any org deciding that for my family.

I haven't read the entire thread yet but I can't find where Biden made a statement about Dr Seuss. All I can find is where he did not mention Seuss in his Read Across America Day, 2021 statement. Maybe I missed it. Trump and Obama mentioned Seuss because it was originally a cornerstone of the program. As the following article explains the NEA has been in the process of rebranding RAA campaign and moving away from Seuss.

I understand Biden not wanting to mention Seuss due to all of the undue stress trump placed on the US concerning racism.

Biden omits Dr. Seuss from ‘Read Across America’ amid new concerns of racism

March 2 is Read Across America Day.

thehill.com

The Read Across America program, launched by the National Educators of America (NEA) in 1998 to promote children's literacy, has long been associated with Geisel’s birthday, both of which are celebrated on March 2. But this year even Dr. Seuss Enterprises is marking the day with an acknowledgement of the racism in the author’s children’s books.

“One of the reasons we partnered with Seuss 20 years ago in 1997 was to kick-start this program. That was the strategy up front, so kids would see Dr. Seuss’s Cat in the Hat and spark some attention” Steven Grant, a NEA spokesperson and manager of the Read Across America program, told the School Library Journal in 2018, adding that “last year was the first year in my 14 years [with NEA] that I had seen so much bubble up as far as concerned interests."

In recent years, the NEA has distanced itself from Dr. Seuss, whose books and characters have been featured as part of the Read Across America campaign in the past. In 2019, the campaign rebranded with a new logo and the mission of “celebrating a nation of diverse readers," but said "of course, children still love Dr. Seuss, and his birthday on March 2, also Read Across America Day is still an ideal time for a school-wide reading event when you can serve green eggs and ham."

Mor

'Read Across America Day,' once synonymous with Dr. Seuss, is diversifying. Here's why things have changed.

Tuesday is Read Across America Day and Dr. Seuss's birthday. Those two events, however, aren't as closely linked as in past years.

www.usatoday.com

Fact Check: Did Joe Biden Break a Dr. Seuss Tradition?

Read Across America Day is celebrated on Dr. Seuss' birthday and is traditionally synonymous with the author.

www.newsweek.com

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[Lanyap]

I'm still not finished reading this thread but I realized it's a good thing this is not a legal issue.

 

[Lanyap]

Every president since the event has started has both mention Dr Seuss by name, the history of the event, and at least mentioned the names of some of their favorite books by the author for the event when speaking about the event publicly. Biden did none of that.

Again the issue isn't that he didn't do what his predecessors had done before in and of itself. The issue is when it is added to everything else that it can lead people to draw the conclusion that is was part of the pressure campaign to censor Dr Seuss books.

No, that's not correct. Clinton and Bush did not mention Seuss. Obama and trump did (and we know why trump mentioned it.) See my previous link.
EDIT: Clarification from my Newsweek link above.

Read Across America Day was established by the National Education Association in 1998 and was originally synonymous with the children's author Dr. Seuss, falling on his birthday on March 2.

Former presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush did not make any Read Across America Day proclamations.

However, former President Barack Obama began a short-lived tradition by mentioning Dr. Seuss in each one of his Read Across America Day proclamations from 2009 until 2016.

 

[HumblePie]

No, that's not correct. Clinton and Bush did not mention Seuss. Obama and trump did (and we know why trump mentioned it.) See my previous link.
EDIT: Clarification from my Newsweek link above.

I said when they spoke about it, they made mention of it.

 

[Meghan54]

I said when they spoke about it, they made mention of it.

Of course, the implication you're making is that ALL the presidents since RAAD was implemented in 1998 have done what you're saying...that they mentioned Dr. Seuss when talking about RAAD, or that they've even spoken about RAAD in the first place.

And, obviously, that's not true, since the "tradition" of making Dr. Seuss a focal point of RAAD began with Obama and began with Clinton in the White House. Neither Clinton nor Bush said anything about RAAD, so technically your "when they spoke about it, they made mention of it (Seuss)" is correct, esp. given the nebulous nature of "they" in your statements.

 

[MrSquished]

My sister's friend who is african american, and another african american fellow from my hometown on my facebook, mentioned how awkward those drawings were when they encountered them in Seuss books. Conservatives don't care, most of them are racist pieces of shit, or at least ok with racism.

 

[zzyzxroad]

I said when they spoke about it, they made mention of it.

Have you actually ever tried green eggs and ham?

 

[pmv]

Not that it matters that Dr Seuss isn't mentioned, it just seems weird to have a celebration event for a man's birthday and then never mention that person or his work at all.

That's pretty much my approach to Christmas.

 

[shortylickens]

I'd like to point out many of those links are from notoriously biased sources. Super conservative at least, and at worst flat out propaganda.

Media Bias/Fact Check News

We are the most comprehensive media bias resource on the internet. There are currently 3900+ media sources listed in our database and growing every day.

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[Lanyap]

Of course, the implication you're making is that ALL the presidents since RAAD was implemented in 1998 have done what you're saying...that they mentioned Dr. Seuss when talking about RAAD, or that they've even spoken about RAAD in the first place.

And, obviously, that's not true, since the "tradition" of making Dr. Seuss a focal point of RAAD began with Obama and began with Clinton in the White House. Neither Clinton nor Bush said anything about RAAD, so technically your "when they spoke about it, they made mention of it (Seuss)" is correct, esp. given the nebulous nature of "they" in your statements.

He's using that legal eagle stuff.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Ted Cruz is signing copies of “collectible” editions of Green Eggs and Ham ... The Grifting never ends

Stand with Ted & Dr. Seuss against the "cancel culture mob" to claim your signed copy of Green Eggs and Ham !” the politician urged on his donation page:

Ted Cruz Raises Money By Signing, Selling Copies Of Dr. Seuss Book He Did Not Write

The Texas Republican is fundraising by charging $60 for the “cancel culture collectible."

www.huffpost.com

Which is interesting because

– He didn’t write it.
– it’s not one of the Dr. Seuss books that have been pulled from publication.
– No one objects to “Green Eggs and Ham”, as far as I know

What’s next? Filibustering with pop-up books?

Keep in mind that while they’ve been whining, all day long on Fox News, about Dr Seuss or Mr Potato Head being cancelled, they’re not talking about the Senate hearings about the January 6 insurrection or Republican’s attempts to curb voting and democracy. What other powerful people are similarly agitated about this?. Off the top of my head there’s Kevin McCarthy, Ted Cruz, Lauren Boebert, Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, Madison Cawthorn, and Marjorie Taylor Green. Can one make a case that those people feel in any way personally at risk from "cancel culture"? Ever wonder why that is? The playbook is to take something, distort and exaggerate its frequency and/or severity, and use these distortions to drive up hate and fear, and to get people to vote for conservatives who promise to vanquish the mostly nonexistent threat. The outrage machine is ginning up another melodrama in order to create the outrage they need to maintain the culture war. When you have no ideas, the Culture War is all you have.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ted Cruz is signing copies of “collectible” editions of Green Eggs and Ham ... The Grifting never ends

Stand with Ted & Dr. Seuss against the "cancel culture mob" to claim your signed copy of Green Eggs and Ham !” the politician urged on his donation page:

Ted Cruz Raises Money By Signing, Selling Copies Of Dr. Seuss Book He Did Not Write

The Texas Republican is fundraising by charging $60 for the “cancel culture collectible."

www.huffpost.com

Which is interesting because

– He didn’t write it.
– it’s not one of the Dr. Seuss books that have been pulled from publication.
– No one objects to “Green Eggs and Ham”, as far as I know

What’s next? Filibustering with pop-up books?

Keep in mind that while they’ve been whining, all day long on Fox News, about Dr Seuss or Mr Potato Head being cancelled, they’re not talking about the Senate hearings about the January 6 insurrection or Republican’s attempts to curb voting and democracy. What other powerful people are similarly agitated about this?. Off the top of my head there’s Kevin McCarthy, Ted Cruz, Lauren Boebert, Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, Madison Cawthorn, and Marjorie Taylor Green. Can one make a case that those people feel in any way personally at risk from "cancel culture"? Ever wonder why that is? The playbook is to take something, distort and exaggerate its frequency and/or severity, and use these distortions to drive up hate and fear, and to get people to vote for conservatives who promise to vanquish the mostly nonexistent threat. The outrage machine is ginning up another melodrama in order to create the outrage they need to maintain the culture war. When you have no ideas, the Culture War is all you have.

Funny how the deplorable think green eggs & ham has been banned.
Funny how Ted doesn’t have the balls to sign the books that have questionable imagery.

 

[brycejones]

Funny how the deplorable think green eggs & ham has been banned.
Funny how Ted doesn’t have the balls to sign the books that have questionable imagery.

Trump still has Ted’s balls in a jar in Florida.

 

[fskimospy]

Funny how the deplorable think green eggs & ham has been banned.
Funny how Ted doesn’t have the balls to sign the books that have questionable imagery.

Yes, we should all notice that republicans have avoided like the plague being seen with the books that are actually being discontinued. This is because the images in them are really bad!

 

[zzyzxroad]

I am glad republicans are actively but unwittingly supporting Dr. Seuss Enterprise's decision with their wallets.

 

[Zorba]

Every president since the event has started has both mention Dr Seuss by name, the history of the event, and at least mentioned the names of some of their favorite books by the author for the event when speaking about the event publicly. Biden did none of that.

Again the issue isn't that he didn't do what his predecessors had done before in and of itself. The issue is when it is added to everything else that it can lead people to draw the conclusion that is was part of the pressure campaign to censor Dr Seuss books.

I'm sure it's been posted, but do have a link to Biden's speech and recommendation list?

 

[Zorba]

So if the Louden School district didn't remove from their recommendation list the exact same 6 books that the publisher said they were no longer going to be publishing, then the fact Joe Biden didn't mention anything about Dr Seuss when talking about the Read Across America event would never had been a thing with the removal of said books. It's a just another thread as to how conclusions, whether correct or not, were drawn. I personally don't give one fuck whether Biden mentioned Dr Seuss or not in his speech. I was just saying it was yet another strange occurrence along with other things that led people to think there was some of collaborated censorship being done here. That those claiming censorship are also drawing upon other things in that claim beyond the 3 things I mentioned as well.

I am not saying that what Biden said, or failed to say, has any connection at all to anything here. Just that it is being used as an example for the conclusion people are making that this is a coordinated effort for further censorship. I am not making the claim it has any bearing either. Just pointing out why it's been used as such.

You are assigning a lot of power to one school district's reading list. Not even one of the biggest school districts.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yes, we should all notice that republicans have avoided like the plague being seen with the books that are actually being discontinued. This is because the images in them are really bad!

I had the zoo book as a kid, I remember holding it in my hands. I wish I still had it, I would Troll Ted asking him to sign the page with the black guys in native grass skirts or the “I’d put the man in the turban in my zoo” or whatever the fuck it says.

 

[Zorba]

Thank you. I see that now.

Some quotes from a wsj article:

“EBay is currently sweeping our marketplace to remove these items,” a spokeswoman for the company said in an email. New copies of the six books were no longer for sale online at major retailers such as Barnes & Noble on Thursday afternoon, which put eBay among the most prominent platforms for the books to be sold.


Message received by a seller:
“Dr. Seuss Enterprises has stopped publication of this book due to its negative portrayal of some ethnicities,” said the email message from eBay, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. “As a courtesy, we have ended your item and refunded your selling fees, and as long as you do not relist the item, there will be no negative impact to your account.”

WSJ News Exclusive | Dr. Seuss Books Deemed Offensive Will Be Delisted From eBay

EBay is working to prevent the resale of six Dr. Seuss books pulled this week by the company in charge of the late author’s works because they contain offensive imagery.

www.wsj.com

I don't care about the publisher pulling the books. But eBay not reselling used seems ridiculous. Their platform, so whatever, but I'm sure they have far worse stuff on there.