No Knock Warrant served on wrong house

[GuitarDaddy]

This is very sad and somewhat Dejavu for me. I have a close family aquantence that was just release from the state pen for an almost identical occurence. He awoke in the middle of the night to someone banging down his front door with no announcement, he grabbed his thirty eight and ran towards the front door and holler'd "stop or I'll shoot", the next thing he see's is an arm bust through the hollow core dore and reach for the knob to unlock it, he fired through the door twice hitting what turned out to be a police officer once in his bullet proof vest and once in the arm.

Come to find out they had a warrant to arrest a woman he had been living with for selling drugs, but a search of his house turned up no drugs and the woman no longer lived there.
This mistake cost him a severe beating (3 weeks in the hospital) and 7 1/2 years in the state pen. And this happened before no knock warrants were allowed, the police claimed they announced themselves🙁

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Yes, there are many in here very supportive of the Patriot Act et al as eveidenced by the posts calling for be being banned etc.

This has nothing to do with the Patriot Act.

The "police state" concern is, however, valid. The excessive arming of police, and their use of excessive tactics is a trend predating teh Patriot Act as well.

As far as charging this guy - most crimes require "intent". I don't see where they're going to have any luck with that. And taking this to a jury seems laughable.

They're prolly just checking to make sure his gun was legal or some other silly BS.

I smell a big fat check for this guy after the expected civil siut.

Fern

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: jman19
No Knock Warrant = bullshit.

Tell that to the 92 yr old Grandmother shot and killed in Atlanta by a "No knock warrant".

11-21-2006 92 yr old Grandmother shoots at police during no knock warrant, they shoot back and kill her

😕

I was agreeing with your viewpoint... lol

 

[BoberFett]

I live in N. Minneapolis, this could have been my house.

Fuck the police. They bust into my house at night I'll kill the sons of bitches too.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
no knock warrant = no ID needed.

No ID, they have a right to die.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: blackangst1
no knock warrant = no ID needed.

No ID, they have a right to die.

Agreed.

Unless they're terrorists being raided. Or illegal aliens. Then have at em.

 

[1EZduzit]

This shit has been going on since 1981. I remember hearing about a case where they rushed in and killed some people (man/wife, I think?) who resisted. The warrant was for black people and they were white people or vice versa? They police got away with it, that's why I remember it, how they hell can they mess up like that and get away with it!?!?

Anyway apparently these types of warrants are getting rathter popular.

The number of no-knock raids has increased from 3,000 in 1981 to more than 50,000 last year, according to Peter Kraska, a criminologist at Eastern Kentucky University in Richmond, Kentucky. Raids that lead to deaths of innocents are relatively rare, but since the early 1980s, 40 bystanders have been killed, according to the Cato Institute in Washington, DC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_knock_warrant

 

[blackangst1]

FIFTY THOUSAND!!!!! HOLY SHIT

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I live in N. Minneapolis, this could have been my house.

Fuck the police. They bust into my house at night I'll kill the sons of bitches too.

Cops breed more cops. Are you sure its wise to stop at only the ones entering your house on a no-knock? /sarcasm

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I live in N. Minneapolis, this could have been my house.

Fuck the police. They bust into my house at night I'll kill the sons of bitches too.

Cops breed more cops. Are you sure its wise to stop at only the ones entering your house on a no-knock? /sarcasm

If I bust into your house at night, will you politely ask me identify myself before or after I've killed your wife and children? Just want to know what kind of resistance I'll get.

PS What's your address?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I live in N. Minneapolis, this could have been my house.

Fuck the police. They bust into my house at night I'll kill the sons of bitches too.

Cops breed more cops. Are you sure its wise to stop at only the ones entering your house on a no-knock? /sarcasm

THis kind of behavior, along with the general "We're better than you" attitude from a lot of law enforcement is just building more and more hatred. Once it gets to a certain point, you get an Oklahoma City Bombing. Things haven't been pushed that far yet, so it might just be someone nailing a passing police cruiser with an IED.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Correct me if I am wrong Dave....

I think that Dave is sarcastically trying to get the point out that the scales of our society have tipped (read crashed to the floor) to the side of law enforcement of any type over the civilian population.

That there are always going to be mistakes and that we should be working to ensure that mistakes don't happen instead of the police/government always getting a free pass.

The Gitmo comments were probably sarcasm directed at his belief that we are now a full-fledged police state and anyone that dares confront their oppressor will immediately be whisked away to a Cuban resort with a wonderful water park in the future.

Nitemare picked it up above a few posts ago.

Yes, there are many in here very supportive of the Patriot Act et al as eveidenced by the posts calling for be being banned etc.

The rest of us support a troll/idiot-free board. You do not meld with that vision.

:thumbsup:

 

[Stoneburner]

This events described in the OP sound like a metaphor for the Iraq War. I don't understand why some people are on the other side of the issue though.

 

[Brovane]

I am reading through the news article and were does it say that this was a no-knock raid? The article seems to indicate a search warrant was being executed but I cannot find anything indicating it was a no-knock warrant. Is there another article saying it was a no-knock warrant?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
This events described in the OP sound like a metaphor for the Iraq War. I don't understand why some people are on the other side of the issue though.

Hey, the war in Iraq was important. How else could we really train our military to fight in residential neighborhoods?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Brovane
I am reading through the news article and were does it say that this was a no-knock raid? The article seems to indicate a search warrant was being executed but I cannot find anything indicating it was a no-knock warrant. Is there another article saying it was a no-knock warrant?

Who said they didn't knock?

A north Minneapolis family was upstairs in their home early Sunday when they heard someone bust through their back door.

They knocked really, really hard. 😉

 

[Brovane]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Brovane
I am reading through the news article and were does it say that this was a no-knock raid? The article seems to indicate a search warrant was being executed but I cannot find anything indicating it was a no-knock warrant. Is there another article saying it was a no-knock warrant?

Who said they didn't knock?

A north Minneapolis family was upstairs in their home early Sunday when they heard someone bust through their back door.

They knocked really, really hard. 😉

No Knock Warrant served on wrong house - The subject title of this thread indicates this was a no-knock warrant. Also the first post indicates that this was no-knock warrant. Am I missing something?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Brovane

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Brovane
I am reading through the news article and were does it say that this was a no-knock raid? The article seems to indicate a search warrant was being executed but I cannot find anything indicating it was a no-knock warrant. Is there another article saying it was a no-knock warrant?

Who said they didn't knock?

A north Minneapolis family was upstairs in their home early Sunday when they heard someone bust through their back door.

They knocked really, really hard. 😉

No Knock Warrant served on wrong house - The subject title of this thread indicates this was a no-knock warrant. Also the first post indicates that this was no-knock warrant. Am I missing something?

A sense of humor?

 

[Pepsei]

i remember the good days when the police was armed with only a peashooter, and a bunch of thugs with fully automatic rifles and body armor taking pot shots at everyone on the street of LA. oh yea, it was 1997, i remember watching it on cnn....

United States patrol officers are typically armed with a 9mm or .40 caliber pistol on their person, with a 12-gauge shotgun available in their cars. Phillips and Matasareanu carried fully automatic assault rifles and wore body armor. Since most handgun calibers cannot penetrate body armor, patrol officers had a significant disadvantage until SWAT arrived with equivalent firepower; they also appropriated several semi-automatic rifles from a nearby firearms dealer to help even the odds. The incident sparked debate on the appropriate firepower for patrol officers to have available in similar situations in the future

i guess there are some advantages and disadvantages ....

 

[Brovane]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Brovane

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Brovane
I am reading through the news article and were does it say that this was a no-knock raid? The article seems to indicate a search warrant was being executed but I cannot find anything indicating it was a no-knock warrant. Is there another article saying it was a no-knock warrant?

Who said they didn't knock?

A north Minneapolis family was upstairs in their home early Sunday when they heard someone bust through their back door.

They knocked really, really hard. 😉

No Knock Warrant served on wrong house - The subject title of this thread indicates this was a no-knock warrant. Also the first post indicates that this was no-knock warrant. Am I missing something?

A sense of humor?

Part of the discussion of this thread has been using this as a example of a no-knock warrant gone bad but I cannot find anything indicating in the news stories that this was a no-knock warrant. Also the subject title of the thread indicated that this was a no-knock warrant. If there is a discussion of police-abuse of search warrants etc. the start of the discussion should be solidly based on facts. When the subject title indicates that this was a no-knock warrant and it appears that this wasn't a no-knock warrant then that looks badly on the argument been brought forward which is a perfectly valid argument. When somebody exaggerates the initial story when bringing fourth a argument it makes the rest of the argument look bad.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
i remember the good days when the police was armed with only a peashooter, and a bunch of thugs with fully automatic rifles and body armor taking pot shots at everyone on the street of LA. oh yea, it was 1997, i remember watching it on cnn....

United States patrol officers are typically armed with a 9mm or .40 caliber pistol on their person, with a 12-gauge shotgun available in their cars. Phillips and Matasareanu carried fully automatic assault rifles and wore body armor. Since most handgun calibers cannot penetrate body armor, patrol officers had a significant disadvantage until SWAT arrived with equivalent firepower; they also appropriated several semi-automatic rifles from a nearby firearms dealer to help even the odds. The incident sparked debate on the appropriate firepower for patrol officers to have available in similar situations in the future

i guess there are some advantages and disadvantages ....

Humm, 1 time in 10 years vs. 50,000 times in one year...

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
This guy open fired on police officers doing their job.

He should be immediately sent to Gitmo and waterboarded.

Right on schedule Dave! You never fail to dissapoint.

Were these officers not doing their job?

Simple yes or no answer.

No, you jackass. It was the wrong house. Reading FTW

Dave kind of has a point. The article says they had a search warrant. It then states they had bad info which I assume is what was used to get the search warrant. The police probably where doing their job but thats not really the true point of this thread, imho.

The point is, the police WILL make mistakes. Fact of life that we have to deal with. However, with these no knock warrants a mistake could have resulted in an innocent father, or his wife or his children or any combination losing their life. If they would have covered the exits, knocked and identified themselves as police officers with a search warrant we probably wouldn't be reading about it.

Regardless if the police where "just doing their jobs" I will always side with an innocent homeowner and reasonable assumptions. We do not live in a police state and if you are a law abiding citizen you should be able to reasonably assume if your door gets kicked in and armed men run into your home that it is not the police.

as would I, but would you condemn a man that was just doing his job because someone told him to and he was following orders?

The fault does not lie with the 3 officers that broke into the mans home, but the dipshit who gave the order

Of course one should blame the 3 officers for their actions. Just ask this people how I was just following orders worked out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
This guy open fired on police officers doing their job.

He should be immediately sent to Gitmo and waterboarded.

Right on schedule Dave! You never fail to dissapoint.

Were these officers not doing their job?

Simple yes or no answer.

No, you jackass. It was the wrong house. Reading FTW

Dave kind of has a point. The article says they had a search warrant. It then states they had bad info which I assume is what was used to get the search warrant. The police probably where doing their job but thats not really the true point of this thread, imho.

The point is, the police WILL make mistakes. Fact of life that we have to deal with. However, with these no knock warrants a mistake could have resulted in an innocent father, or his wife or his children or any combination losing their life. If they would have covered the exits, knocked and identified themselves as police officers with a search warrant we probably wouldn't be reading about it.

Regardless if the police where "just doing their jobs" I will always side with an innocent homeowner and reasonable assumptions. We do not live in a police state and if you are a law abiding citizen you should be able to reasonably assume if your door gets kicked in and armed men run into your home that it is not the police.

as would I, but would you condemn a man that was just doing his job because someone told him to and he was following orders?

The fault does not lie with the 3 officers that broke into the mans home, but the dipshit who gave the order

Of course one should blame the 3 officers for their actions. Just ask this people how I was just following orders worked out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials.

If we found out that Bush did actually lie (meaning that there was actual proof) to get us into Iraq, would you be in favor of charging every single member of the military with a crime?

 

[Dari]

How can we return more power to the civilians and the states?

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Dari
How can we return more power to the civilians and the states?

The first step is to stop removing said power. Then we can talk about actually giving some of it back.