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No Knock Warrant served on wrong house

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Nitemare

you threw in the Nazi card in your argument therefor you lose by default.

killing and torturing people != arresting peeps
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However, breaking into innocent peoples homes armed with submachine guns != arresting peeps.

Try to stay consistent.
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yeah and having a scared civilian shooting blindly through a door and connecting on 2/3 shots while they get 22 and get nothing but air is a poor reflection as well.

Did the article say they had submachine guns?
 
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Nitemare

you threw in the Nazi card in your argument therefor you lose by default.

killing and torturing people != arresting peeps
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However, breaking into innocent peoples homes armed with submachine guns != arresting peeps.

Try to stay consistent.
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yeah and having a scared civilian shooting blindly through a door and connecting on 2/3 shots while they get 22 and get nothing but air is a poor reflection as well.

Did the article say they had submachine guns?
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Either MP5 submachine guns or M4 carbines.
 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...on_re_us/officers_shot

By STEVE KARNOWSKI, Associated Press Writer
Mon Dec 17, 10:14 PM ET



MINNEAPOLIS - Two officers who raided an innocent family's house on a bad tip were shot at and returned fire, but no one was injured, a police spokesman said.

Vang Khang said Monday that he grabbed his hunting gun to protect himself, his wife and his six children when they heard someone burst through the back door early Sunday. He fired three shots, hitting two members of the SWAT team, but they were unhurt because of their bulletproof vests and helmets.

Officers returned fire, but nobody in the house was injured. Police released Khang after taking his statement.
All six of the children, ages 3 to 15, were home at the time.

Lt. Amelia Huffman said the officers went to the house listed on the search warrant, but it turned out the source was wrong.

Seven police officers were put on paid administrative leave as the department investigates, standard procedure when officers are involved in shootings, Huffman said.

Huffman declined to say much about the underlying case but said it was generated by a unit that typically handles drug and gang crimes.

Khang, 34, and his wife, Yee Moua, told reporters Monday night that they thought intruders had broken into their home.

Moua said she was watching television on the main floor when she heard voices and then windows breaking. She ran upstairs to tell her husband.

Khang said he grabbed the shotgun from a closet and fired three shots out his bedroom door. When his sons yelled at him that the intruders were actually police, he put down his gun and put his hands in the air.
"The whole family is badly shaken and still trying to understand what happened," Moua said. She and Khang showed reporters five broken windows and 22 bullet holes.
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Funny how he shoot 3 times and hit twice yet the cops fired a good 22+ times and hit none out of 8 people. 😛


Also as asked where does it say "No Knock" at? This another nebor made up BS like some of your other postings. I also noticed someone else posted this at another site, so I guess some right wing pro-gun site/people are sending this out as a no knock so you just report it as fact? I see no where in your link it say "no knock".
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The article says they heard people bursting through their back door. I'd call that a no knock.

If the police want to see me, they can ring the doorbell like everyone else. Anybody comes in unannounced, my assumption is that their intentions are violent, and I'm going to fill them with lead.
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Police burst through the doors even when they knock and announce who they are. They do that if no one opens. so that still does not mean let alone say it was a no knock.
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Anyone breaking down my door gets shot. It doesn't matter what they yell, or what letters are on their shirt.

And the article I linked originally said "no knock" in the title, but it's been updated repeatedly since then. It's apparent this was a no knock warrant.
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Ahhh no it is not. The police do not say that, the news does not say that, etc... just seems from your post of late you like to add what ever fits your story.
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Exactly. The police do not say. I wonder why?

Is it classified or are they covering up? All they are saying is they had "bad information on the front end". I imagine a no-knock warrant is harder to come by and requires much more definitive proof to get a judge to OK it so they may just be covering up so as to not make it harder for them next time they think they need a no-knock warrant.
 
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
This is very sad and somewhat Dejavu for me. I have a close family aquantence that was just release from the state pen for an almost identical occurence. He awoke in the middle of the night to someone banging down his front door with no announcement, he grabbed his thirty eight and ran towards the front door and holler'd "stop or I'll shoot", the next thing he see's is an arm bust through the hollow core dore and reach for the knob to unlock it, he fired through the door twice hitting what turned out to be a police officer once in his bullet proof vest and once in the arm.

Come to find out they had a warrant to arrest a woman he had been living with for selling drugs, but a search of his house turned up no drugs and the woman no longer lived there.
This mistake cost him a severe beating (3 weeks in the hospital) and 7 1/2 years in the state pen. And this happened before no knock warrants were allowed, the police claimed they announced themselves🙁
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And it sounds like a jury believed, beyond a reasonable doubt, the police account.

So if it's between your family acquaintence's self-serving claims and what the jury decided, I'll go with the jury on this one.

 
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
This is very sad and somewhat Dejavu for me. I have a close family aquantence that was just release from the state pen for an almost identical occurence. He awoke in the middle of the night to someone banging down his front door with no announcement, he grabbed his thirty eight and ran towards the front door and holler'd "stop or I'll shoot", the next thing he see's is an arm bust through the hollow core dore and reach for the knob to unlock it, he fired through the door twice hitting what turned out to be a police officer once in his bullet proof vest and once in the arm.

Come to find out they had a warrant to arrest a woman he had been living with for selling drugs, but a search of his house turned up no drugs and the woman no longer lived there.
This mistake cost him a severe beating (3 weeks in the hospital) and 7 1/2 years in the state pen. And this happened before no knock warrants were allowed, the police claimed they announced themselves🙁
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And it sounds like a jury believed, beyond a reasonable doubt, the police account.

So if it's between your family acquaintence's self-serving claims and what the jury decided, I'll go with the jury on this one.
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Of course you would...your not the one who had to do the 7 years....
Things that make you go hmm...
 
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
This is very sad and somewhat Dejavu for me. I have a close family aquantence that was just release from the state pen for an almost identical occurence. He awoke in the middle of the night to someone banging down his front door with no announcement, he grabbed his thirty eight and ran towards the front door and holler'd "stop or I'll shoot", the next thing he see's is an arm bust through the hollow core dore and reach for the knob to unlock it, he fired through the door twice hitting what turned out to be a police officer once in his bullet proof vest and once in the arm.

Come to find out they had a warrant to arrest a woman he had been living with for selling drugs, but a search of his house turned up no drugs and the woman no longer lived there.
This mistake cost him a severe beating (3 weeks in the hospital) and 7 1/2 years in the state pen. And this happened before no knock warrants were allowed, the police claimed they announced themselves🙁
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And it sounds like a jury believed, beyond a reasonable doubt, the police account.

So if it's between your family acquaintence's self-serving claims and what the jury decided, I'll go with the jury on this one.
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Of course. Juries almost always side with the police, even in the most egregious cases of misconduct.

Most of the public has been conditioned to submit to authority figures under all circumstances. That's why prosecutors don't even bother bringing charges in most brutality cases.

In any case, nearly every single wrong-door raid results in the victims insisting that the police didn't announce themselves. What reason do all these completely innocent people have to lie?
 
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: blackangst1

no knock warrant = no ID needed.
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No ID = I'm shooting first.
Hope you're wearing enough kevlar to stop .223
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Use the green tip ones just in case. 😉
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Green tipped is ball....
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black tipped is tungsten core
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Green tipped 5.56 is usually 80% lead and 20% steel, with that steel being at the front of the projectile acting as a penetrator. It is made to penetrate body armor and moderate cover.

The black stuff you're talking about is rarer than hen's teeth. Most guys in the military never even deal with any, because it's hardly ever used. None is produced for the civilian\law enforcement market.
 
You guys are way behind here. This type of practice is unfortunately common. And that the procedure of no-knock warrants is wrong should not immunize the police officers from wrong doing or getting their asses shot off. It was on this particular finely delineated point that McOwen was trolling as usual. And (no surprise) he was defended by the same anti-gun crowd that would have the law-abiding public completely disarmed for these types of situations.
 
Law enforcement used to take suspects by surprise when they went out, went to work, etc.

I remember when this no knock nightmare happened:

"Mar. 28, 1992 A police SWAT team in Snohomish County, Washington executes a 5 a.m. raid on a residence for the purpose of executing arrest warrants for persons believed to be responsible for a 1991 murder and robbery. The residence belongs to a young married couple, Larry and Robin Pratt. The officers effect entry into the residence by throwing a battering ram into the rear sliding glass door of the residence, shattering glass in the living room onto Robin Pratt?s 6-year old daughter and 5-year old niece. The 28-year old Robin, who is in her bedroom, is awakened by the sound of breaking glass; then a stun grenade explodes near her head, singeing her hair. Robin, in a panic, rushes in the dark toward the living room to protect the children, but then encounters a SWAT officer who shoots her with his submachine gun. She is handcuffed and bleeds to death on the floor in front of her daughter and niece. Her last words: ?Please don?t hurt my children.? It later turns out that none of the subjects of the raid had anything to do with the murder and robbery."

Link

It was a damn sad story indeed, and it was inconcievable to me that it was a proper way to execute a warrant.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
You guys are way behind here.

This type of practice is unfortunately common.

And that the procedure of no-knock warrants is wrong should not immunize the police officers from wrong doing or getting their asses shot off.

It was on this particular finely delineated point that McOwen was trolling as usual.

And (no surprise) he was defended by the same anti-gun crowd that would have the law-abiding public completely disarmed for these types of situations.
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Excuse me.

When have you ever seen me as anti-gun?

If this type of practice is so "common" as you said then why do you condone it?
 
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