No job, no insurance, has brain tumor

[Doc Savage Fan]

Where is Bill Gates when you need him?

 

[JKing106]

1) Doing an annual MRI and CT is not good primary prevention. Seeing a family doctor once every 6-12 months is primary prevention.

It's called sarcasm. My point is there are some conditions that can't be predicted by having your nuts squeezed while coughing on command.

 

[JKing106]

Where is Bill Gates when you need him?

Running a charity/tax shelter so he won't die known as the greediest man who ever lived.

 

[xj0hnx]

I'm not either,

And? Did I say you were? Stop projecting.

little corporate bitch.

Huh? Where do you get this shit? Is the racism that fills your head really clouded your thinking so much that you just blurt shit out?

It's telling you think of politics as a sport, as a "Us vs Them" contest.

Once again, what are you talking about? You are so far beyond delusional it's fucking sad. I pity you.

It's telling you're a fucking moron. How does it feel to willingly be subservient to people who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, and think you're the stupidest person on the face of the earth for supporting them? I'm sorry, that would require thought. Keep chugging along, believing what you're told, repeating it like a retarded parrot. Maybe they'll reward you with some chump change in the form of an extra $300 on your tax return, or something, for gleefully licking their asses.

More projection. There are some way out there posters here, but you are their reigning king.

 

[piasabird]

It may be a poor choice to do both a CAT scan and an MRI??? however they often go for the cheapest option first. I dont know how you are going to get brain surgery as a freebee. When my brother in law has an issue with his wife, he sold his life insurance policy to pay for her brain surgery and they did it at a medical research facility that was also a doctor training facility. Start calling aid agencies.

 

[lotus503]

Because society has decided that we should give free health care to POS that suck off the teat of society instead of people like the one described in your post.

Because if you get entitlement services you are unfit to have healthcare?

Yup that 8 year old kid who's parents are above poverty line but can't afford healthcare, fuck him.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Because if you get entitlement services you are unfit to have healthcare?

Yup that 8 year old kid who's parents are above poverty line but can't afford healthcare, fuck him.

Empathy, understanding and forethought are so passe, eh?

 

[piasabird]

Brain surgery is touch and go. Recovery time can be 6 months or more including rehap and physical therapy. Plus there is no guarantee that the tumor may come back.

 

[JKing106]

And? Did I say you were? Stop projecting.



Huh? Where do you get this shit? Is the racism that fills your head really clouded your thinking so much that you just blurt shit out?



Once again, what are you talking about? You are so far beyond delusional it's fucking sad. I pity you.



More projection. There are some way out there posters here, but you are their reigning king.

You're not smart enough to pull this off.

 

[Cerb]

WTF are you babbling about?

Your post, that I quoted: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33955193&postcount=69

Yes, profit. Those among us that choose to pay for, and attend specialized schools for years to learn specialized skills deserve to make a profit (ed.), no matter your emotional whinings.

And no, you do not deserve that. You deserve what others consider you to be worth to them.

Take a counterexample:

Elbot Carman, a 25-year-old aspiring graphic designer, made so little money after earning his master's degree last year that the U.S. government now says he can hold off making payments on his school loans.

Carman owes $140,000 in a mix of government and private student loans. Last year he earned $12,000.

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Should he instead make more, just because he got into such high debt? No. While most fields for doctors pay better, the economic truth is the same. None deserve to make any sort of profit. They only deserve to make what they can negotiate for. This is a rather fundamental underpinning of our economy, and most other 1st-world economies.

 

[xj0hnx]

You're not smart enough to pull this off.

Talking out of your ass by continuing to hide behind insults rather than fess up to being a buffoon? Can't say I didn't see that one coming.

 

[xj0hnx]

Your post, that I quoted: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33955193&postcount=69


And no, you do not deserve that. You deserve what others consider you to be worth to them.

Wrong. If you want you can shop around, but if you go to someone that is specialized in a skill and tell them that you only think they are worth X amount, don't cry when they tell you to take a hike.

 

[soundforbjt]

Do you think that doctors pay is what has driven health care cost so high? LOL

Please quote where I said that. Answer the question without the diversion.

 

[xj0hnx]

Please quote where I said that. Answer the question without the diversion.

Your question is retarded, and irrelevant. What doctors get paid isn't tied to health care cost, and vice versa, as they can choose to get paid whatever they want, even work for free if they choose.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You're not smart enough to pull this off.

Yeah, he's dumb enough to make false statements about what politicians are effectively worshiped by members without bothering to investigate first. Wait, that wasn't him.

Stay around.

 

[Cerb]

Wrong. If you want you can shop around, but if you go to someone that is specialized in a skill and tell them that you only think they are worth X amount, don't cry when they tell you to take a hike.

Wrong. If you go to someone with a specialized skill, that charges X, and you don't want to pay X, you either didn't need it that badly, or can't pay.

If enough people don't need it that badly, or just can't pay, said person with a specialized skill goes out of business.

If enough people aren't willing or able to pay X for your skill, said person's skill isn't worth X.

Even if your skill is worth X, you need to spend less than X to profit, and the market doesn't care about that part.

Surely you've heard the phrase, "what the market will bear," right? If you charge more than the people who might buy your products or use your services are able and willing to pay for them, you don't make money. And see, these people don't care how much it costs you to do business, either. Generally, they aren't sympathetic to your spending habits, on top of that.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Your post, that I quoted: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33955193&postcount=69


And no, you do not deserve that. You deserve what others consider you to be worth to them.

Take a counterexample: link
Should he instead make more, just because he got into such high debt? No. While most fields for doctors pay better, the economic truth is the same. None deserve to make any sort of profit. They only deserve to make what they can negotiate for. This is a rather fundamental underpinning of our economy, and most other 1st-world economies.

Your explanation is that no one deserves anything. Those in control set the standards and in so doing can justify your enslavement if it comes to it.

But that notwithstanding, the reason that people can become physicians is that their costs invested can be met. If not they aren't doctors because they cannot meet their financial obligations to begin with.

The economic truth is this. The MD or any individual of any profession has a certain utility that cannot be met by another without similar training and background. If the expectations are not met then the occupation ceases to exist. A rather fundamental thing.

 

[MrColin]

I was debating between putting this in off topic, but since it deals with the politics of insurance, I decided to put it here. And this is a serious topic.

Middle aged man, friend of my family, in his late 40s, let go from his job a few weeks ago, no health insurance, has been suffering from mood swings and headaches for several months. The man has also been forgetting stuff lately.

Family thought it might just be a mid-life crisis that a lot of people experience.

Last night the man started running a high fever. Wife took him to local small town emergency room where an x-ray of his head was done.

x-ray showed a baseball sized tumor in the brain.

Small town hospital shipped him to larger town for cat-scan and mri. Scans showed the cancer has spread into the sinus area.

As of this morning, he is in Houston.

The family is already looking at tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills.

Why isnt there a safety net for people who make more then what medicaid allows, but can not afford to buy health insurance?

Obama would force people to buy insurance. But when families are barely getting by, how are they supposed to pay for the coverage?

Sorry to hear about your friend. Every one of us is going to either have one last really bad day or get some bad news from the doctor and fizzle out. The big problem with health care most of the time is that it ignores economics. At some point it becomes a question of how much do you want to spend before you die. Politicians aren't going to touch that problem with a 10' pole, and its left up to the insurance companies most of the time.
There is an option for your friend and you can read about it in sactoking's ACA thread.

 

[Cerb]

Your explanation is that no one deserves anything. Those in control set the standards and in so doing can justify your enslavement if it comes to it.

No, it's that no one deserves their worth to be dependent on what they spend. They deserve what they can get paid. I don't doubt they deserve to be paid. I doubt that they deserve to make more than their costs. Deserving to make more than that is a line of thought for despots, and feudal lords.

But that notwithstanding, the reason that people can become physicians is that their costs invested can be met. If not they aren't doctors because they cannot meet their financial obligations to begin with.

Can, yes. But there is no guarantee they will, and if they do, they do so on account of making more than they spend. If they go into the wrong field, or make bad financial choices, should they be bailed out, because they deserve it for going to specialized schooling to get specialized skills that aren't worth paying enough for for them to stay out of debt? Should they get raises for such behavior? No. Of course very large companies get exemptions, here, but even they don't really deserve it.

The economic truth is this. The MD or any individual of any profession has a certain utility that cannot be met by another without similar training and background. If the expectations are not met then the occupation ceases to exist. A rather fundamental thing.

Exactly. But, likewise, if an MD wants to make more money than any hospital around is willing to pay, he makes none. If he goes into business himself and charges too much, he'll go out of business. And, if he spends more than he makes, regardless of how much that is, he is in a state far from profiting, and does not deserve more money because of it.

 

[JKing106]

Yeah, he's dumb enough to make false statements about what politicians are effectively worshiped by members without bothering to investigate first. Wait, that wasn't him.

Stay around.

Apparently, you forgot that I mentioned that I couldn't give less fucks about your opinion on anything. But if it makes you feel better to add a retort, go for it.

 

[xj0hnx]

Wrong. If you go to someone with a specialized skill, that charges X, and you don't want to pay X, you either didn't need it that badly, or can't pay.

You inability to pay doesn't determine someone else's worth, or what they deserve.

 

[xj0hnx]

Apparently, you forgot that I mentioned that I couldn't give less fucks about your opinion on anything. But if it makes you feel better to add a retort, go for it.

And yet here you are sniffling about everything.

 

[Cerb]

You inability to pay doesn't determine someone else's worth, or what they deserve.

Bullshit. If that were the case, every professional out there could decide they want to make 10 million dollars, demand a raise to that much, and get it. Why don't they? Because not enough people are able or willing to pay enough to make it happen.

Someone having some skill does not make them magically worth more. Them having a skill that enough people are willing to pay higher costs to make use of, because of its risk and/or rarity, does. But, even that doesn't give them any right to not need to manage their finances carefully, so as to spend less than what they are worth. It also does not give them any right to make perfect investments.

 

[xj0hnx]

Bullshit. If that were the case, every professional out there could decide they want to make 10 million dollars, demand a raise to that much, and get it. Why don't they? Because not enough people are able or willing to pay enough to make it happen.

Someone having some skill does not make them magically worth more. Them having a skill that enough people are willing to pay higher costs to make use of, because of its risk and/or rarity, does. But, even that doesn't give them any right to not need to manage their finances carefully, so as to spend less than what they are worth minus what it costs them to live and work. It also does not give them any right to make perfect investments.

What you can pay, and what the market can pay don't have to be the same thing. Sorry, you do not get to make people your slave because you think they aren't worth, or don't deserve what they charge, you are free to haggle with them.

 

[JKing106]

And yet here you are sniffling about everything.

Still not smart enough to pull it off. Keep trying.