No Happy Meals for SanFran

[lothar]

overheated rhetoric aside this makes sense if you look at the base nature of the happy meal. Its an advertisement...Its targeted advertisement to children.


For instance my nephew is 8 and loves happy meals......if he sees a commercial for them he will start to ask for them incessantly until he gets one. While he LOVES apples when he gets a happy meal he HAS to have frys... If the lure of the toy was never there he would have never had the reason to ask for McDonalds....


They are not banning happy meals per se. they are banning giving out toys with the meals.Is that so hard to understand?

How many of you blow hards have children?

Your family has shitty parenting skills.
They must be one of those foolish parents who gives their kids everything they ask for under the sun.
I hope you don't raise your own kid like the way they raised your nephew.

I'm guessing you do have children by that last statement, and you also raised your kids the same way they raised your nephew?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I love how parents take all the criticism but McDonald's gets of scott free from actively inciting your kids to bug the shit out of you.

 

[daishi5]

I think you might be making the same mistake I once did- projecting your own ability to properly make rational decisions for yourself onto the average person. Most people really want to be controlled, that's why they don't question, but they're in denial and want to think they are free, so they run from visible government control into the subtle hands of corporate control.

Take a good hard look at the stuff most people own, buy, watch, work for, and tell me where the real control is.

Your lack of respect for the other members of society is amazing.

 

[ShawnD1]

I love how parents take all the criticism but McDonald's gets of scott free from actively inciting your kids to bug the shit out of you.

I never bugged my parents about getting a happy meal. A usual conversation between me and mom would go like this:
me: Can we go to McDonalds?
mom: Not today. I'm making macaroni and cheese for lunch.

If that's not how it goes, then you're a bad parent. Watching retarded parents on shows like Dr Phil always makes me laugh. The kids control the entire house and they make the rules. The parents sleep when the kids say it's ok, they go to mcdonalds when the kids say that's what they're having, they buy toys when the kids say. Everyone wants their kids to be smarter and stronger than them, but that shouldn't happen when the kid is only 10 years old 😀

 

[zsdersw]

I think you might be making the same mistake I once did- projecting your own ability to properly make rational decisions for yourself onto the average person. Most people really want to be controlled, that's why they don't question, but they're in denial and want to think they are free, so they run from visible government control into the subtle hands of corporate control.

Take a good hard look at the stuff most people own, buy, watch, work for, and tell me where the real control is.

Corporate control is not compulsory. Government control is. I can refuse to buy certain products. I cannot choose to ignore certain government rules.

 

[zsdersw]

I love how parents take all the criticism but McDonald's gets of scott free from actively inciting your kids to bug the shit out of you.

Yes, parents *should* take all the criticism. Business transactions (like purchasing food from McDonalds) hinge upon conditions that are acceptable to both parties (buyer and seller). If the buyer accepts what he/she is sold, they have to take responsibility for that purchase decision.

 

[ch33zw1z]

More nanny laws. Apparently parents can't be parents. Tell your kid no, if they bug you then discipline if necessary. Time outs, taking away stuff they like....c'mon America, use your fucking brains!

 

[Corn]

I think you might be making the same mistake I once did- projecting your own ability to properly make rational decisions for yourself onto the average person. Most people really want to be controlled, that's why they don't question, but they're in denial and want to think they are free, so they run from visible government control into the subtle hands of corporate control.

Take a good hard look at the stuff most people own, buy, watch, work for, and tell me where the real control is.

Shit, that irrational average person might vote too! We should take a good hard look at giving only rational people the right to vote. Just like Craig said in another thread: "We don't need better politicians, we need better voters." Please please, intellectually elite, we don't deserve our freedom, please choose what's best for us!

Silly liberals.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Corporate control is not compulsory. Government control is. I can refuse to buy certain products. I cannot choose to ignore certain government rules.

Government control is also malleable by those it governs and is at least intended to better society (assuming it also isn't being manipulated by corporate control).

Corporate control is constructed solely by the corporation and is intended only to better to corporation. It's also impossible to ignore when it's not even recognized it as a control, as evidenced by so many in this thread.

Edit: Clearly I'm wasting my time with you and anyone else with a "corporation can do no wrong/government can do no right" mentality.

 

[halik]

Lulzifornia

You could just tax it as a negative externality, but that place isn't exactly know for wise policy.

 

[Corn]

I love how parents take all the criticism but McDonald's gets of scott free from actively inciting your kids to bug the shit out of you.

LOL, more lefty sillyness. I've got a son who is soon approaching his 5th birthday. He hasn't been to McDonalds once.

Kids are genetically programmed to bug the shit out of their parents, that is how boundaries are discovered. That some parents fail in setting boundaries indicts no one but that parent. It doesn't matter what the kid is bugging the parent about, the parent is still responsible to say "no" if need be.

You apparently believe irresponsible parenting can be be excused because of advertising. We can only hope you don't ever become responsible for raising a child as you've already got a built in excuse for failure, which you surely will be.

 

[zsdersw]

Government control is also malleable by those it governs and is at least intended to better society (assuming it also isn't being manipulated by corporate control).

Government doesn't know best. I decide what's best for me. You decide what's best for you. Everyone else decides what's best for themselves.

Corporate control is constructed solely by the corporation and is intended only to better to corporation. It's also impossible to ignore when it's not even recognized it as a control, as evidenced by so many in this thread.

Consumers need to be better advocates of their own interests. This reduces corporate control and strengthens the power of the consumer.

Corporations and companies do wrong all the time, mostly because consumers let them get away with it not because government isn't meddling enough.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

LOL, more lefty sillyness. I've got a son who is soon approaching his 5th birthday. He hasn't been to McDonalds once.

Kids are genetically programmed to bug the shit out of their parents, that is how boundaries are discovered. That some parents fail in setting boundaries indicts no one but that parent. It doesn't matter what the kid is bugging the parent about, the parent is still responsible to say "no" if need be.

You apparently believe irresponsible parenting can be be excused because of advertising. We can only hope you don't ever become responsible for raising a child as you've already got a built in excuse for failure, which you surely will be.

Government doesn't know best. I decide what's best for me. You decide what's best for you. Everyone else decides what's best for themselves.



Consumers need to be better advocates of their own interests. This reduces corporate control and strengthens the power of the consumer.

Corporations and companies do wrong all the time, mostly because consumers let them get away with it not because government isn't meddling enough.

Et al, way to continue missing the point. Excuse or not, such advertising works, on a large scale, and is causing real tangible problems. We can either let it continue or not. Or you can propose your idea on how to get everyone else up to your parental/consumer standards and actually fix the source of the problem. Your call.

 

[ShawnD1]

More nanny laws. Apparently parents can't be parents. Tell your kid no, if they bug you then discipline if necessary. Time outs, taking away stuff they like....c'mon America, use your fucking brains!

Come on now, you know how unreasonable this is. It's pretty clear that a parent being outwitted by a 5 year old has no brain.

kid: I'm going to hold my breath if you don't buy me a happy meal
parent: Oh fuck. Start the car!


Hitler must have been a total dumb ass. To control people he had to put up all these posters and go on the radio. All kids do is make empty threats and people immediately cave in and listen.

 

[Amused]

Government control is also malleable by those it governs and is at least intended to better society (assuming it also isn't being manipulated by corporate control).

Corporate control is constructed solely by the corporation and is intended only to better to corporation. It's also impossible to ignore when it's not even recognized it as a control, as evidenced by so many in this thread.

Edit: Clearly I'm wasting my time with you and anyone else with a "corporation can do no wrong/government can do no right" mentality.

He never said a corporation can do no wrong. He only said the answer to all of life's ills is NOT giving up our freedoms to the government.

Government is NOT altruistic. It is little different than a corporation, and often worse than one. At least when a corporation fails, it just goes out of business. When the government fails, it raises taxes and claims it needs more money and more power to fight the problem. If a corporation can't convince you, you can just walk away. When the government can't convince you, it can ruin your life, lock you up and take away your freedom.

Government is force of law. Corporations are voluntary. I'll take the corporate evil over the government evil any day of the week.

Stupid people are going to be stupid. No matter how much you nanny them. Throwing away yours and everyone else's freedom in a vain attempt to save them won't work. Not only that, but it feeds on itself. The more you make society reliant on the government, the more control over your private life you abdicate.

And finally, there is a distinct elitism in this line of thinking. The belief that YOU may be smart enough to control your own life, but others are not, so government control is what we need. Mind your own business. And if you don't want to pay for the mistakes of others, VOTE that way. Stop paying. If the root cause of you wishing to increase government control is your wish to stop paying for the mistakes of others, vote to stop paying, rather than to take away our freedoms.

 

[zsdersw]

Way to continue missing the point. Excuse or not, nag-based advertising works, on a large scale, and is causing real tangible problems. We can either let it continue or not. Or you can propose your idea on how to get everyone else up to your parental standards and actually fix the source of the problem. Your call.

Sometimes real problems have to exist, and sometimes they have to be big and bad problems, in order for people to change. This is one of those times.

Change comes from individual choices, not government mandates.

 

[Amused]

Way to continue missing the point. Excuse or not, advertising works, on a large scale, and is causing real tangible problems. We can either let it continue or not. Or you can propose your idea on how to get everyone else up to your parental/consumer standards and actually fix the source of the problem. Your call.

How about instead of taking away freedom, you counter act the advertising using your own freedom?

Why always resort to the heavy handed school teacher approach and treat citizens as children?

It seems in most of these arguments, you guys think freedom is the problem.

That is quite scary.

If you honestly think government is any more altruistic than business, you've deluded yourself. Both are made up of people, and people are inherently corrupted by power. The more power you give them, the more corrupted they become. And you want to give one entity near total power over our lives to save us from ourselves. Seriously?

 

[Amused]

I think Amused will go far with his people skills... or not.

There are very few people I talk to like that, and you know that. Some people can't be delt with any other way.

 

[jman19]

Thank the Lord our savior, our Government, for stopping kids from becoming butterballs.

 

[theeedude]

It's the parents' responsibility to keep their children from eating it, not the government's.

We tried that approach, now we have childhood obesity and diabetes epidemic.

 

[BoberFett]

I think you might be making the same mistake I once did- projecting your own ability to properly make rational decisions for yourself onto the average person. Most people really want to be controlled, that's why they don't question, but they're in denial and want to think they are free, so they run from visible government control into the subtle hands of corporate control.

Take a good hard look at the stuff most people own, buy, watch, work for, and tell me where the real control is.

Wow. Goosestep much? You are simply evil.

 

[Amused]

We tried that approach, now we have childhood obesity and diabetes epidemic.

And you think the government can save us from ourselves?

You're willing to give a group of people that much power over your life simply because you don;t want to pay for the mistakes of others?

How about you vote to stop paying rather than give an already corrupt and inefficient system even more power?

 

[jman19]

And you think the government can save us from ourselves?

You're willing to give a group of people that much power over your life simply because you don;t want to pay for the mistakes of others?

How about you vote to stop paying rather than give an already corrupt and inefficient system even more power?

Sure, why fix the root of the problem when the government can just tell you what you can and cannot do?

 

[theeedude]

And you think the government can save us from ourselves?

You're willing to give a group of people that much power over your life simply because you don;t want to pay for the mistakes of others?

How about you vote to stop paying rather than give an already corrupt and inefficient system even more power?

Tried this way, didn't work. We already limit what can be marketed at kids, I don't see it as taking power away from me. If a parent wants to buy a kid a toy, they can still do it. If they want to buy the kid fries, they can still do it.

 

[Amused]

Wow. Goosestep much? You are simply evil.

It's weird, but there are people out there who worry way too much about what other people do. They disagree with the choices they make and instead of not judging, they go to the other extreme and not only judge, but pass sentence. But since they are powerless to control these people, they seek to have the government do it for them.