No children of lesbians accepted here...

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/08/colorado.lesbians.church/index.html?hpt=T2

(CNN) -- Gay and lesbian groups are attacking a decision by the archdiocese of Denver, Colorado, not to re-enroll a child in a Catholic school in Boulder, Colorado, next year because the child's parents are lesbians.

The issue centers on the Sacred Heart of Jesus School, where the pre-schooler is currently enrolled.

"The Archdiocese of Denver has acted very unjustly in singling out this child for exclusion," said DignityUSA Executive Director Marianne Duddy-Burke in a written statement Monday. "Until every student's parents are tested on Catholic teaching, this action by Catholic officials cannot be understood as anything other than discrimination on the back of a child. At a tender age, this child has learned that Catholic officials are willing to inflict pain on children and families."

The decision was made public last week.

"These actions by the Denver Archdiocese harm the student by taking the child away from friends, teachers and community," said Jarrett Barrios, president of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. "It's deeply troubling to see any school remove a child from their educational program simply as the means of rejecting that child's parents."

But the archdiocese defended its decision.

"Parents living in open discord with Catholic teaching in areas of faith and morals unfortunately choose by their actions to disqualify their children from enrollment," it said in a statement posted on its Web site. "To allow children in these circumstances to continue in our school would be a cause of confusion for the student in that what they are being taught in school conflicts with what they experience in the home.

"We communicated the policy to the couple at Sacred Heart of Jesus Catholic School as soon as we realized the situation. We discussed the reasons with them and have sought to respond in a way that does not abruptly displace the student but at the same time respects the integrity of the Catholic school's philosophy."

In a posting of his sermon, the Rev. Bill Breslin, pastor of Sacred Heart of Jesus Church, supported the move.

"The issue is not about our not accepting 'sinners,' " he said. "It is not about punishing the child for the sins of his or her parents. It is simply that the lesbian couple is saying that their relationship is a good one that should be accepted by everyone; and the Church cannot agree to that."

About 30 opponents of the move -- "mostly hetero allies of the gay community" -- protested Sunday outside the church during Mass, said Dave Ensign, board president of Boulder Pride, a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community center and services organization.

Ensign handed out flyers to the protesters and then joined the parishioners as they listened to the sermon defending the church's move. "I was disappointed, but it was pretty much what I was expecting to hear," he said.

He added that the larger community's reaction has been positive, saying, "When people hear about this, they speak up, and I think that says a lot about our community."

The child has not been identified publicly. No one at the archdiocese or at the school immediately returned calls Monday seeking comment.

I think the church/school has every right to do what it did, even though I disagree completely with them and everything they stand for. I also think that anyone in the community, including members of that church, has every right to not support the church if so inclined.. and should do so.
 

zsdersw

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What you said in your comment is exactly what it is...they have the right to do what they did, and if people don't want to support them, so be it.

So what's the problem?

Where did I say there was a problem? I posted it for discussion.
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/08/colorado.lesbians.church/index.html?hpt=T2
I think the church/school has every right to do what it did, even though I disagree completely with them and everything they stand for. I also think that anyone in the community, including members of that church, has every right to not support the church if so inclined.. and should do so.

I wonder if they've kicked out every kid who's parents divorced (Catholic church doesn't recognize divorces). How about any kid who has a single parent who has sex. I'm sure there's parents who've had previous abortions.

Then again, I'm assuming this is a private school, so they can accept / expel anyone they want. If it gets public funding, then they shouldn't be allowed to. This is why I'm against the Catholic school system in Ontario (which I attended). I don't care if parents want to send their kids to a place where they will also learn about religion, and all the non religion courses are comparable to secular public schools (depends on the specific school), but it specifically discriminates in it's hiring practices and broadcasts that, AND gets public funding.
 

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I just want to know why a lesbian couple would want their child in that school. They want their child to be taught that "God" disagrees with his/her parent's relationship.

Doesn't make any sense to me. It would be the same as me being an atheist sending my son to a church school. It does not compute.

I also agree with the above. That church better be kicking out all the kids who's parents got divorced or use birth control.
 

zsdersw

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The only time in which I think a school like this should be required to admit a child in this type of situation is if that school receives voucher money from the state or federal government. An entity (even a private school) on the public dime cannot discriminate like that.
 

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The only time in which I think a school like this should be required to admit a child in this type of situation is if that school receives voucher money from the state or federal government. An entity (even a private school) on the public dime cannot discriminate like that.

I'm pretty sure (not 100% as I don't have kids), that up here if you send your kids to private school you get a tax break on the tuition. I'd say any school that discriminates against a protected class (is sexual orientation a protected class in the US? it is in Canada) shouldn't be eligible for those programs. I bet the parents sending their kids there would have issue pretty quickly.

What would people say if they wouldn't accept black kids? Still supporting their right to choose?
 
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"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Looks likes some Catholics need to a little 'schooling' themselves. To single this kid out is ridiculous and is a reflection of how ignorant many religious people are of their own religion.
 

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I wonder if they've kicked out every kid who's parents divorced (Catholic church doesn't recognize divorces). How about any kid who has a single parent who has sex. I'm sure there's parents who've had previous abortions.

Then again, I'm assuming this is a private school, so they can accept / expel anyone they want. If it gets public funding, then they shouldn't be allowed to. This is why I'm against the Catholic school system in Ontario (which I attended). I don't care if parents want to send their kids to a place where they will also learn about religion, and all the non religion courses are comparable to secular public schools (depends on the specific school), but it specifically discriminates in it's hiring practices and broadcasts that, AND gets public funding.

I bet if the kid had abortion, they'd boot her.
 

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I just want to know why a lesbian couple would want their child in that school. They want their child to be taught that "God" disagrees with his/her parent's relationship.

Doesn't make any sense to me. It would be the same as me being an atheist sending my son to a church school. It does not compute.

I also agree with the above. That church better be kicking out all the kids who's parents got divorced or use birth control.

This,

I don't get it it either - why do you want to be part of an institution that is fundamentally against your lifestyle? Same thing for swingers, adulterers, thieves etc.
 

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If the private school is exempt from paying taxes, they should not get away with this discrimination. If the private school is paying income taxes, then they can do whatever the fvck they want.... IMO
 

zsdersw

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This,

I don't get it it either - why do you want to be part of an institution that is fundamentally against your lifestyle? Same thing for swingers, adulterers, thieves etc.

Perhaps the school has a great curriculum and/or great teachers?
 

zsdersw

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Yes, all aimed to educate kids in a "catholic way of life".

Academically, catholic schools aren't actually all that great, which makes me think this was all done just to create a controversy

http://www.usnews.com/articles/educ...ericas-best-high-schools-gold-medal-list.html

I didn't say all of them were.. I said this one may be, as a possibility.

When I went to Catholic grade school, subjects like Math, Science, and English were exactly that; math, science, and English. They weren't all about the "Catholic way of life".
 

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Yes, all aimed to educate kids in a "catholic way of life".

Academically, catholic schools aren't actually all that great, which makes me think this was all done just to create a controversy

http://www.usnews.com/articles/educ...ericas-best-high-schools-gold-medal-list.html
depends on the school.

I'd rate the catholic high school that I went to as significantly better than public schools, based on comparisons between what I learned in high school versus college classmates from public schools.

private schools are private, but if I were the lesbian parents in this case, I'd protest and encourage other parents to pull their kids out.

considering how most catholic dioceses are barely afloat, it surprises me... a lot of times it felt like Catholics were in the minority in my school compared to Hindus and Buddhists.
 

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depends on the school.

I'd rate the catholic high school that I went to as significantly better than public schools, based on comparisons between what I learned in high school versus college classmates from public schools.

private schools are private, but if I were the lesbian parents in this case, I'd protest and encourage other parents to pull their kids out.

considering how most catholic dioceses are barely afloat, it surprises me... a lot of times it felt like Catholics were in the minority in my school compared to Hindus and Buddhists.

this pretty much

The public school choices back home were pretty dismal and I sure as hell wasn't going the attend the wacko Lutheran (Missouri Synod) high school.

The Dominicans were the best game in town buy a long shot. As long as the tuition check cleared they really wouldn't care if you were purple, had tentacles growing out of your nostrils, and believed in sun worship.
 

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I just want to know why a lesbian couple would want their child in that school. They want their child to be taught that "God" disagrees with his/her parent's relationship.

Maybe they have a good relationship with God as they see Him and don't for one second think that God hates or disagrees with their lifestyle choice. I was born and raised Catholic and I never got the impression that God looks down on gays no matter what man says. I think that is just man putting words into His mouth to suit an agenda.
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/08/colorado.lesbians.church/index.html?hpt=T2



I think the church/school has every right to do what it did, even though I disagree completely with them and everything they stand for. I also think that anyone in the community, including members of that church, has every right to not support the church if so inclined.. and should do so.

"As you do unto the least of mine, so do you do unto me." Their *Right* to burn the heretics too?
 

WHAMPOM

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I just want to know why a lesbian couple would want their child in that school. They want their child to be taught that "God" disagrees with his/her parent's relationship.

Doesn't make any sense to me. It would be the same as me being an atheist sending my son to a church school. It does not compute.

I also agree with the above. That church better be kicking out all the kids who's parents got divorced or use birth control.

This is not a Bible school teaching GOD's WORD, it is supposed to be teaching secular subjects, Reading, Math, etc.