"No African American nurses care for baby" Father demanded, hospital complied

[kage69]

What an ugly human being. I really feel for that child.

He or she is going to be raised by a flaming asshole and wannabe Nazi.

 

[NesuD]

Both my sons were born in that hospital. I found the staff there to be outstanding in every way. They have one of the finest neonatal ICUs in the region. That guy was a fool and so was whatever administrator that went along that ridiculous request.

 

[TechBoyJK]

It's hard to believe this kind of mentality still exists in the 21st century...

I'm more appalled that the nurse is suing over it.

 

[waggy]

Both my sons were born in that hospital. I found the staff there to be outstanding in every way. They have one of the finest neonatal ICUs in the region. That guy was a fool and so was whatever administrator that went along that ridiculous request.

yeah i don't get the guy. I wanted whoever was best able to deal with my newborns. to be honest i didn't even notice what color the nurse's were.

They did a great job.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm more appalled that the nurse is suing over it.

"Them uppity blacks. If they just stayed in the back of the bus this kind of shit wouldn't happen in the first place. But they sued, the fuckers, and some of um got jobs where they might touch white people."

 

[werepossum]

I think the thing you're missing here is, it would have been fine if the hospital had called a staff meeting and explained the situation. But they didn't do that, instead they posted a note on a chart. To say something like this is excusable and gloss it over is rather weak. This particular nurse who experienced this first hand is a 25 year employee. She deserved better treatment than that and at no point should any race, creed, minority, or religion be subjected to that kind of treatment from their employer. In reality, when you think about it, the hospital was just as bad if not worse than the racist dude himself.

You have a point there. I'm not sure they can call a staff meeting, since the staff has ongoing duties, but a more sensitive approach - making it glaringly apparent that they consider this an unreasonable request but are trying to prevent an ugly customer from becoming even uglier - might has soothed the nurse's feelings.

 

[Gooberlx2]

I'm not surprised such a schmuck would make such a request. I'm not even surprised the hospital would try to (unofficially) accommodate the request for the sake of keeping the peace for both patient and their own employees, and just assign the black nurses to other patients if they're able.

Actually writing it in the notes and "making official" their accommodation is pretty fucking stupid and apt to bite them in the ass here.

 

[HumblePie]

The nurse has zero case in my opinion, but I think she is mainly looking for a payout settlement than anything else.

I think the father is an idiot, but idiots have a right to their opinions as well. How is this any different than a woman at an OB/GYN seeing an old male doctor enter the room and ask for a female doctor instead? Both are forms of discrimination by the PATIENT and not the hospital.

I've made personal discrimination request to be seen by or not seen by some health professionals based on my comfort level. Again, no different than a man or woman requesting service by individuals that meet their comfort levels in age or gender when being treated. This has never been a problem in the past.

Now as someone else mentioned, if the patients request caused the hospital to take some sort of action against the nurse like firing her, cutting her pay, forcing her to sweep floors, or do anything else not normally related to her job then she would most certainly have a case. As it is, it's a bitch playing the race card looking for a payout.

I find it both disgusting and despicable. Both the father's request and more so the reaction of the nurse.

 

[Whiskey16]

I'm more appalled that the nurse is suing over it.

Yes, damn the uppity black....as being the true villain. Supremacist bigots remain.

All the power to the nurse if she follows down this legal route to ensure hospital clarification for racially motivated assignments and discipline against those who choose to set policy actions upon that of race.

 

[werepossum]

The nurse has zero case in my opinion, but I think she is mainly looking for a payout settlement than anything else.

I think the father is an idiot, but idiots have a right to their opinions as well. How is this any different than a woman at an OB/GYN seeing an old male doctor enter the room and ask for a female doctor instead? Both are forms of discrimination by the PATIENT and not the hospital.

I've made personal discrimination request to be seen by or not seen by some health professionals based on my comfort level. Again, no different than a man or woman requesting service by individuals that meet their comfort levels in age or gender when being treated. This has never been a problem in the past.

Now as someone else mentioned, if the patients request caused the hospital to take some sort of action against the nurse like firing her, cutting her pay, forcing her to sweep floors, or do anything else not normally related to her job then she would most certainly have a case. As it is, it's a bitch playing the race card looking for a payout.

I find it both disgusting and despicable. Both the father's request and more so the reaction of the nurse.

Possibly she is just looking for a pay-out, but it's also possible she is just telling hospital management that this is not acceptable behavior. She's evidently a long term employee, which argues against her doing this just out of greed. And while I'm always fond of pointing out when people inappropriately play the race card, in this case it was first played on her and she merely played it back.

 

[HumblePie]

Possibly she is just looking for a pay-out, but it's also possible she is just telling hospital management that this is not acceptable behavior. She's evidently a long term employee, which argues against her doing this just out of greed. And while I'm always fond of pointing out when people inappropriately play the race card, in this case it was first played on her and she merely played it back.

No illegal race card found in this instance played upon her.

Again, does a patient have a right to choose the gender of their practitioner? I know most women prefer to have another woman do their papsmears or breast exams. Some don't care, but many do.

I know that many men prefer male doctors to check on their prostrate or perform other male related medical needs.

Both right there are clear case examples of LEGAL discrimination by a patient. Can a male OB/GYN perform just as well as a female in giving a papsmear or a breast exam? Sure, but it is not to them or the hospital whom the patient prefers having service by.

Same thing for age. I for one had a very old doctor do a prostrate exam on me. Those gnarly and nubby fingers... UGH! Never again on that for me thank you very much. I will discriminate based on age for that medical need now for the rest of my life because of my comfort level. Was the old doctor fully competent at performing the medical service despite my discomfort? Sure was, but I have the legal right to discriminate against any doctor based on my comfort level.

I also know people that refuse certain hospitals or practitioners based on their religious affiliation. Again, legal discrimination.

Here we have a clear case of a patient not comfortable with a medical practitioner for their own reasons. You and I do not have to agree to those reasons and nor does the hospital. However, it's a legal request and thus must be accommodated if at all possible. The type of legal discrimination here doesn't matter. Be it based off age, gender, race, or religious affiliation it doesn't matter. LEGAL discrimination is perfectly acceptable.

Those seeking to milk the system at a perceived sleight I do not agree with however.

 

[CitizenKain]

The nurse is in the right on this, I hope she wins and the hospital never makes a decision like this again. Wonder how long before the father in the article is in the news for abusing the kid.

 

[classy]

The nurse has zero case in my opinion, but I think she is mainly looking for a payout settlement than anything else.

Why is it every damn thread that an african american is being discussed, you address the person in a negative way. The woman has been a nurse for 25 years, no question she has been successful in a well paying career. And she has a solid case. No reason none whatsoever to subject this woman first hand or any of the other black nurses to this type of enviroment with notes and stuff. Back in the 60s it was ok to say no blacks for this and that, but its 2013.

I worked in a hospital for 3 years and I know firsthand how the baby ward is run. They could have called a quick staff meeting right on the floor and quietly addressed this rather being a bullhorn to spread this man's ignorance any further by posting some damn clipboard notes.

 

[classy]

So you are fine with his request then? It was just a matter of how the hospital went about it? I think there is definately room for improvement in how they handled it.

If thats what he wanted, its his child. But the hospital should have not subjected this nurse or any of these other nurses to that kind of nonsense. Its mind blowing to think a hospital would allow such a note to be posted on the clipboard, even if it was to appease the man. Now that child sounded like it needed special care, so as I stated before the hospital was in a no win situation, IMO. But to just expose the black nurses to that type behavior is just not appropiate. And I can just imagine how this nurse felt when she read that note.

 

[WelshBloke]

The nurse is in the right on this, I hope she wins and the hospital never makes a decision like this again. Wonder how long before the father in the article is in the news for abusing the kid.

She's in the right and the guys a complete dick but I'm not seeing a loss that she needs to sue over.

 

[werepossum]

No illegal race card found in this instance played upon her.

Again, does a patient have a right to choose the gender of their practitioner? I know most women prefer to have another woman do their papsmears or breast exams. Some don't care, but many do.

I know that many men prefer male doctors to check on their prostrate or perform other male related medical needs.

Both right there are clear case examples of LEGAL discrimination by a patient. Can a male OB/GYN perform just as well as a female in giving a papsmear or a breast exam? Sure, but it is not to them or the hospital whom the patient prefers having service by.

Same thing for age. I for one had a very old doctor do a prostrate exam on me. Those gnarly and nubby fingers... UGH! Never again on that for me thank you very much. I will discriminate based on age for that medical need now for the rest of my life because of my comfort level. Was the old doctor fully competent at performing the medical service despite my discomfort? Sure was, but I have the legal right to discriminate against any doctor based on my comfort level.

I also know people that refuse certain hospitals or practitioners based on their religious affiliation. Again, legal discrimination.

Here we have a clear case of a patient not comfortable with a medical practitioner for their own reasons. You and I do not have to agree to those reasons and nor does the hospital. However, it's a legal request and thus must be accommodated if at all possible. The type of legal discrimination here doesn't matter. Be it based off age, gender, race, or religious affiliation it doesn't matter. LEGAL discrimination is perfectly acceptable.

Those seeking to milk the system at a perceived sleight I do not agree with however.

No illegal race card, true, but still a race card. Still discriminating by race, and while I don't necessarily agree she has been damaged, she has been singled out. A better solution would have been for the hospital to have refused to make such a distinction, I think; the customer is NOT always right, and sometimes the customer is too wrong to pretend without damaging your business. Failing that, perhaps a more sensitive handling than posting a politely worded "no ni**ers" message on the file or room, just a sensitive meeting to let her know that management is on her side but needs to accommodate this ass hat, would have kept this from becoming a lawsuit on either side.

 

[nehalem256]

I worked in a hospital for 3 years and I know firsthand how the baby ward is run. They could have called a quick staff meeting right on the floor and quietly addressed this rather being a bullhorn to spread this man's ignorance any further by posting some damn clipboard notes.

So your definition of quietly addressing this is to call a staff meeting?

It seems to me that a note on the chart is quieter to me.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Im pretty sure this happens quite a bit especially with old white people.

 

[TerryMathews]

Im pretty sure this happens quite a bit especially with old white people.

It used to be true in reverse with old black people too. Most of that generation has passed away due to old age.

 

[peonyu]

I disagree with the man's choice to ban black people from taking care of his child, but its opening a can of worms to deny him that right. Muslim women are not allowed to be touched by non-Muslim men, can you imagine the [muslim] outcry if a male doctor said to bad im going to treat you anyways ? I work in the medical field in S.FL and there are alot of Muslims here and almost all the time the request is for a female when a Muslim women needs treatment..Its ridiculous but it is what it is.

BOTH views belong in the 7th century but if you allow one view then you must allow them all.

 

[TerryMathews]

No illegal race card found in this instance played upon her.

Again, does a patient have a right to choose the gender of their practitioner? I know most women prefer to have another woman do their papsmears or breast exams. Some don't care, but many do.

I know that many men prefer male doctors to check on their prostrate or perform other male related medical needs.

Both right there are clear case examples of LEGAL discrimination by a patient. Can a male OB/GYN perform just as well as a female in giving a papsmear or a breast exam? Sure, but it is not to them or the hospital whom the patient prefers having service by.

Same thing for age. I for one had a very old doctor do a prostrate exam on me. Those gnarly and nubby fingers... UGH! Never again on that for me thank you very much. I will discriminate based on age for that medical need now for the rest of my life because of my comfort level. Was the old doctor fully competent at performing the medical service despite my discomfort? Sure was, but I have the legal right to discriminate against any doctor based on my comfort level.

I also know people that refuse certain hospitals or practitioners based on their religious affiliation. Again, legal discrimination.

Here we have a clear case of a patient not comfortable with a medical practitioner for their own reasons. You and I do not have to agree to those reasons and nor does the hospital. However, it's a legal request and thus must be accommodated if at all possible. The type of legal discrimination here doesn't matter. Be it based off age, gender, race, or religious affiliation it doesn't matter. LEGAL discrimination is perfectly acceptable.

Those seeking to milk the system at a perceived sleight I do not agree with however.

This. Exactly this.

The customer is not bound by affirmative action or EEO, the hospital is. And as long as the affected party was able to perform substantially the same duties, they are compliant.

 

[Abe Froman]

I don't condone the behavior, but if a parent made a request, as a black nurse, would you want to be their care provider?

Also, as the hospital, I probably would have complied with the request just to avoid stressing the situation and potentially losing a baby.

 

[werepossum]

I disagree with the man's choice to ban black people from taking care of his child, but its opening a can of worms to deny him that right. Muslim women are not allowed to be touched by non-Muslim men, can you imagine the [muslim] outcry if a male doctor said to bad im going to treat you anyways ? I work in the medical field in S.FL and there are alot of Muslims here and almost all the time the request is for a female when a Muslim women needs treatment..Its ridiculous but it is what it is.

BOTH views belong in the 7th century but if you allow one view then you must allow them all.

You (and HumblePie and Terry) do make a good point. I'll just make two small counterpoints. One is Classy's point, that perhaps a more sensitive way of addressing this issue would have defused the situation. And second, that discrimination against blacks is more of a hot-button issue because of our history with slavery and government discrimination. Neither invalidates your point, but both together indicate that more sensitivity is needed when telling a black person that he or she cannot care for a certain patient than when telling a man he can't examine a Muslim woman. A similar situation might be if someone requests that no Jews be allowed to treat his child; given the Holocaust and the many similar pogroms directed against Jews, a Jewish person might well have fears about being singled out that would not occur to me. Even homosexuals could make a similar (though weaker) argument. When someone is being excluded, a little extra attention to let them know you're on their side is always a good thing, especially if he or she is a minority with a history of discrimination.

To go back to this specific woman, she may feel that if she does not fight this now, she could slip back into being a less valuable, second class nurse. Nurses are scarce commodities, and who is an employer going to hire or promote, the black nurse who can treat most people, or the white nurse who can treat everyone? Of course, she may also be looking for a big payoff or just reacting emotionally, but I don't think we can just assume that.

 

[peonyu]

To go back to this specific woman, she may feel that if she does not fight this now, she could slip back into being a less valuable, second class nurse. Nurses are scarce commodities, and who is an employer going to hire or promote, the black nurse who can treat most people, or the white nurse who can treat everyone? Of course, she may also be looking for a big payoff or just reacting emotionally, but I don't think we can just assume that.

She really has no case though, a guest at her hospital made the request and it was granted. Its a huge legal grey zone that she is venturing into and I cant see her winning her case. If it was the hospital's idea then thats different but it was the guest who made the request.

IF in the future though, she is denied a raise or promotion and has good grounds to say its because of her race she could make a legal case about that without a doubt...But she risks her career by doing it. A sort of similar case is where a male nurse was fired for treating Muslim women in Detroit [he claims that atleast], he believed the Muslim higher ups in the hospital were getting back at him for that.

The difference in his case is he was fired though, and not just told to not treat muslim women.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/11/24/male-nurse-claims-he-was-fired-for-treating-muslim-women/

 

[Jeff7]

It's hard to believe this kind of mentality still exists in the 21st century...

"Your ancestors were from a different land mass than mine, therefore you are bad. (Though if I go back far enough in time, that's not true anyway, but that doesn't justify my pointless bigotry, so I'll ignore it.)"


It makes perfect sense...to some people.