"No African American nurses care for baby" Father demanded, hospital complied

HomerJS

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First off I think the dad is an ass. Some here will disagree but here are the questions.

Should the hospital have refused the request?
Does the nurse have a valid lawsuit?

A black nurse is suing a Michigan hospital after officials there submitted to a man’s request that no African-American nurses care for his newborn, according to the nurse’s lawsuit.

The hospital put a note on the assignment clipboard reading “No African American nurse to take care of baby,” according to Tonya Battle, a veteran nurse at Hurley Medical Center in Flint.

Don't let that black nurse touch my baby
 

blackangst1

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wow. Im not surprised at the man's request (there are plenty of racists in every culture) but I AM surprised the hospital accommodated him.
 

Bulk Beef

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Fuck no, the hospital should not have complied, and yes, she will have a case, which is only one of several reasons why the hospital should not have complied.
 

Doppel

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Yes, refuse. If they didn't I bet they could be sued by the nurses anyway. If you go to a "business" and don't like who serves you, go elsewhere.
 

SheHateMe

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Fuck no, the hospital should not have complied, and yes, she will have a case, which is only one of several reasons why the hospital should not have complied.

Yea, but if the Hospital didn't comply, could he have sued them as well?
 

nickbits

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Doesn't a patient have the right to not want a particular doctor/nurse treat them? Even if the reason is racist?

I remember an episode of ER when a patient didn't want Benton because he was black. They just got another doctor.
 

KB

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Her lawsuit "asks for punitive damages for emotional stress, mental anguish, humiliation and damages to her reputation."

She still got to work, she still got paid. She wasn't repremanded and her pay wasn't cut. She wasn't cut out of a promotion and she wasn't re-assigned to a job beneath her like sweeping floors. All that happened is she didn't get forced to work with a racists baby. I think she came out on the deal. People seem to get mental anguish so easily.


The hospital was in a no win situation for sure.
 

Anarchist420

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I see more of a problem with the nurse than the person making the request because the nurse has no inherent right to take care of someone. I hope the judges throw the lawsuit out.
 

Lithium381

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Sadly the nurse will win because she got her feelings hurt that there are still racists out there... i don't see how any of her claims are valid. . . her reputation is damaged? mental anguish? she should choose another line of work since this one is too stressful for her.
 

TheSiege

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1 side of me says this is racists, but then I can see how the man would want this, not that I agree. When ordering as escort or a prostitute or stripper don't you have a preference for what race? Does that make you racist? They are both providing a service??
 

SheHateMe

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1 side of me says this is racists, but then I can see how the man would want this, not that I agree. When ordering as escort or a prostitute or stripper don't you have a preference for what race? Does that make you racist? They are both providing a service??



Yes, they are all providing a service....but a different type of service. What is his reasoning for requesting that his child not be treated by blacks?

I don't understand how you are equating this with having a sexual preference for women of a certain race.


This is the same situation as the asshole that went in the grocery store and said it was against his "religion" to have a "negroid" bag his groceries.
 
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TheSiege

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I can't understand someone's logic. But we do make decisions based on race, and just because this guy did, albeit an illogical one to most people, does that mean he doesn't deserve that right?
 

jackschmittusa

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The hospital should have said that unless due cause is shown, they decide care and treatment regimens and who is best qualified to administer them. If you don't like that, go somewhere else.

I've done that myself when one hospital insisted my treatment should consist of pain management drugs and training. I went to another hospital and had the more radical treatment of surgery for the underlying problem. Not a completely perfect solution, but I get by with the occasional dose of Advil and have for years.
 

chimaxi83

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Hospital is racist if they do and racist if they don't.

No they're not. The hospital should be impartial and not change their standard operating procedures for anyone, especially not for some ignorant ass request.
 

SheHateMe

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I can't understand someone's logic. But we do make decisions based on race, and just because this guy did, albeit an illogical one to most people, does that mean he doesn't deserve that right?

No, he shouldn't have the right to come into a hospital and say who is and isn't qualified to treat him or his family....especially if its based on race.

The hospital obviously knows what's best for its patients and will assign capable people to his case. If he wants to be a racist dickbag, he could totally go home and treat himself or go to an Aryan friendly hospital.

Unfortunately, if they would have told him to his the road, I am pretty sure he could have sued the pants off of them.
 

TerryMathews

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Yes, they are all providing a service....but a different type of service. What is his reasoning for requesting that his child not be treated by blacks?

I don't understand how you are equating this with having a sexual preference for women of a certain race.


This is the same situation as the asshole that went in the grocery store and said it was against his "religion" to have a "negroid" bag his groceries.

It is effectively the same situation, and while it may not be the popular position or the PC one, I submit to you that he had every right to ask that no members of a particular race treat his child, or that only a specific race treat him and that the hospital had an obligation to make a reasonable attempt to honor his request.

The nurse only has a case if this impacted her ability to do her job - IE she was sent home due to lack of work. I am presuming that there were other children to attend to that night?

The logic to this, as well as the grocery bagging, is simple: if you have the right to request that someone treat you or not, for any specific reason, then by extension you have that same right for any racist reason.

From the hospital's POV, it should be no different that if he asked that Dr. Bob not treat him because they drink together at the bar; if it is a request that can be honored without causing a disruption, why not?
 

TerryMathews

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The hospital should have said that unless due cause is shown, they decide care and treatment regimens and who is best qualified to administer them. If you don't like that, go somewhere else.

I've done that myself when one hospital insisted my treatment should consist of pain management drugs and training. I went to another hospital and had the more radical treatment of surgery for the underlying problem. Not a completely perfect solution, but I get by with the occasional dose of Advil and have for years.

No they're not. The hospital should be impartial and not change their standard operating procedures for anyone, especially not for some ignorant ass request.

If their standard is that, then yes you are correct. Do you honestly think that personnel assignment has never been changed due to patient request?
 

Jaskalas

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The hospital should have said that unless due cause is shown, they decide care and treatment regimens and who is best qualified to administer them. If you don't like that, go somewhere else.

:thumbsup: + for logically tackling the problem, and winning.
 

sourn

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Her lawsuit "asks for punitive damages for emotional stress, mental anguish, humiliation and damages to her reputation."

She still got to work, she still got paid. She wasn't repremanded and her pay wasn't cut. She wasn't cut out of a promotion and she wasn't re-assigned to a job beneath her like sweeping floors. All that happened is she didn't get forced to work with a racists baby. I think she came out on the deal. People seem to get mental anguish so easily.


The hospital was in a no win situation for sure.

This.

Anything else is bullshit. The man maybe racist, and sure the hospital accepted his request. But did this in any way affect the nurse other then hurt her little ol'feelings.

Correct me if I'm wrong but nurses in hospitals don't get paid by the patient do they?

Also if this caused her mental anguish then maybe the hospital should maybe have her see a therapist. I mean think about it a note caused her enough pain to sue for what if she saw a kid that was bloody, beating, etc. She's like a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off.
 

chimaxi83

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If their standard is that, then yes you are correct. Do you honestly think that personnel assignment has never been changed due to patient request?

Yes, but I can only assume that such requests are along the lines of "oh she's my favorite nurse" or "I feel more comfortable with a female nurse". I've made requests like that at my sons dentist.

This particular request is rooted in racism. I believe the guy has every right to make any request he wants, however the hospital made themselves party to the ignorance by obliging. Just my opinion.
 

TerryMathews

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Yes, but I can only assume that such requests are along the lines of "oh she's my favorite nurse" or "I feel more comfortable with a female nurse". I've made requests like that at my sons dentist.

This particular request is rooted in racism. I believe the guy has every right to make any request he wants, however the hospital made themselves party to the ignorance by obliging. Just my opinion.

Fact remains, EEO wasn't violated.