No 6 Core Kaveri...

[Arachnotronic]

C'mon AMD fans, hit up AMD's investor relations site once in a while, will ya?

Kaveri is 2 module/4 core tops.

 

[Vesku]

A bit disappointing if they won't have a 3 module version, but even a 2 module version could end up close to a stock 3570K but with a bandwidth starved 7750 integrated. Very interested to see how the 512 GCN versions are priced.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2321195

4 cores could mean higher clocks which would bring some of the ST benches up and offset a bit the loss of a module in MT benches.

 

[R0H1T]

C'mon AMD fans, hit up AMD's investor relations site once in a while, will ya?

Kaveri is 2 module/4 core tops.

And everyone knows that PR slides are as trustworthy as S|A D:

 

[Arachnotronic]

A bit disappointing if they won't have a 3 module version, but even a 2 module version could end up close to a stock 3570K but with a bandwidth starved 7750 integrated. Very interested to see how the 512 GCN versions are priced.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2321195

4 cores could mean higher clocks which would bring some of the ST benches up and offset a bit the loss of a module in MT benches.

At what power consumption levels? Especially if SR is the "new" doubled-up beast that we are seeing in the forums, then no way that more than 4 cores is going to work in these power envelopes w/ a substantial GPU on 28nm bulk.

 

[Arachnotronic]

And everyone knows that PR slides are as trustworthy as S|A D:

Is this a joke? This is straight from an investor presentation that AMD gave. If they're lying to investors...then...oh, wait, no they've lied to us before and nothing happened. nvm.

 

[R0H1T]

Is this a joke? This is straight from an investor presentation that AMD gave. If they're lying to investors...then...oh, wait, no they've lied to us before and nothing happened. nvm.

So what's the big deal, its not like Intel hasn't lied about OEM bribes & compiler issues that crippled AMD over the last decade right ! Did you ever see a GT3e for desktops on a slideshow/presentation anywhere before ?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Did you ever see a GT3e for desktops on a slideshow/presentation anywhere before ?

Yup. IDF Beijing.

 

[R0H1T]

Yup. IDF Beijing.

When was that, as in 2013 after the CES ? There is nothing written in stone here, if they can release a power efficient HD7790 at the same 28nm TSMC, like how they beefed up PD at GLF's FDSOI, then given a reasonable thermal headroom & decent margins a three module Kaveri is entirely plausible !

 

[SPBHM]

A bit disappointing if they won't have a 3 module version, but even a 2 module version could end up close to a stock 3570K but with a bandwidth starved 7750 integrated. Very interested to see how the 512 GCN versions are priced.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2321195

4 cores could mean higher clocks which would bring some of the ST benches up and offset a bit the loss of a module in MT benches.

3570K? that would require a 50% increase compared to the 5800K.
it would be quite impressive...

as for not having a 6 core version... no big surprise considering the big IGP taking die space and TDP.

 

[AtenRa]

Abut even a 2 module version could end up close to a stock 3570K

No way, i dont expect more than 15% on average more performance than PD.
A dual Module has half the logic of a quad core Intel CPU, a 3 Module 6 core SR could be close but not a dual Module 4 core.

 

[Vesku]

Well I was going for what I would consider absolutely best case: 15% IPC over PD at ~3.9GHz stock clock with ~300MHz turbo.

So in other words, best case scenario is a bit behind 3570K but with that beefy IGP. IMO

Granted probably no L3 cache (I was more curious what to expect from FX steamroller), I'll post back with a straightforward 15% of Trinity.

 

[ShadowVVL]

But this road map only covers 2013! The 6-8 cores might come in Q1-Q2 of 2014.

 

[Eeqmcsq]

But this road map only covers 2013! The 6-8 cores might come in Q1-Q2 of 2014.

Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. I know that Piledriver was released months before Desktop Vishera was released in the form of laptop APUs. Hopefully, something similar will happen here.

 

[Vesku]

No L3 SR as +15% (total, IPC + Clocks) over A10-5800K

IMO, treading water CPU wise vs the probable Haswell i3. But the IGP will be pretty slick.

Note: No idea why Anandtech/bench doesn't have World of Warcraft and Starcraft 2 CPU for i3-3220.

 

[SiliconWars]

You've got another ~10% for Richland to add on top of that.

 

[Enigmoid]

You've got another ~10% for Richland to add on top of that.

Note that richland is only a speed gain. 0 IPC boost.

 

[Vesku]

I'm not sure we can expect initial 28nm to hit the same clocks as with refined 32nm. Global Foundries has a long tradition of taking a while to work out the kinks. If you add another ~10% from Richland style clocking then Intel may have to step up the clocks on Haswell i3.

 

[Roland00Address]

Good, what AMD needs from their $100 dollar chips (and this is what Kaveri is) is more single threaded performance (to compete with the i3) and more profit (to help amd's bottom line). People that spend $100 dollars on a cpu don't want more multithreaded performance as a big priority and thus it makes no sense spending extra die space to give it to them. It is like trying to selling a three bedroom apartment to a single individual with no partner, roommate, or kids.

If you need more multi threaded performance you go with the AMD cpu sans gpu. In such a situation you will gladly pay for more multithreaded performance, these chips go for $150 and higher prices.

 

[sm625]

2 modules is fine but where is the PS4-style HD7850 iGPU?

 

[SPBHM]

2 modules is fine but where is the PS4-style HD7850 iGPU?

why would they do that?
it would also need 256bit GDDR5.

 

[mikk]

No mobile Roadmap?

 

[Exophase]

People are expecting 3 module Kaveri? Sounds like a waste to use that die area on CPU over GPU..

Or look at it this way: AMD's current CPU market is one 4-module Piledriver based die (Vishera), one 2-module Piledriver based APU die (Trinity and Richland), and one 4-core Jaguar based SoC die (Temash and Kabini). Please correct me if I'm wrong on this but I'm not aware that they've made any smaller dies, but market segmentation is purely driven by dies with disabled portions. Harvested or not. Or MCMs for the server market.

In this case can AMD really afford to increase the die size of every Kaveri by this much? For a product that'd probably not really represent most of the sales..

 

[Arachnotronic]

No mobile Roadmap?

Mobile roadmap is in that .pdf on AMD's site...looks identical except there's a Temash.

 

[Abwx]

Of course it will be better to keep Vishera for servers
rather than using Steamroller cores for this purpose ,
that s what we can conclude from the title of this
trollistic topic...

 

[mikk]

Mobile roadmap is in that .pdf on AMD's site...looks identical except there's a Temash.

Do you have a link?