Nividia may have done it again ! 8x2/16x1

[videoclone]

Ok well this is again speculation from the inquirer but sounds good enough for me
I cant beleave nvidia haven?t learned from there mistakes with the 4x2/8x1 Design in the end all games ended up using the 4x2 and 4x1 and the card could not match ATI

Now ATI have gone 12x1 maybe even 16 and Nvidia are going 8x2 and 16x1 in some games this is the whole NV30 all over again I think the CEO should fire the engineers and get in some new people who look to making something new rather then repeating on mistakes anyway if this ends up being the case and its not just more made up crap from the inquire then the true 12x1 .. will kill Nvidias mixed 8x2/16x1 !! 16x1<-- never ends up being used and the multitexture 8x2 never ends up being used and the card ends up an 8x1 card just like the NV30 ended up being used as a 4x1 card.
I wouldnt be suprised if the 9800XT benches the same in older games with the NV40 at 8x1

 

[nick1985]

make a better video card

 

[CaiNaM]

in the overall scheme of things, there are other areas which make more difference in today's games than whether it uses a 8x2 or 16x1 scheme... and then there's the issue of just how accurate the inquirer's speculation is this time.

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Now, I don't want to seem like a n00b or anything here, but, what is the difference between, say, 16x1 or 8x2 or the difference between 8x1 or 4x2?

 

[modedepe]

NV40 going to be 8x2? Interesting for a card that was just cancelled a few days ago and replaced with a 16 pipe card

 

[videoclone]

Yeah modedepe the inquirer is a little loopy and i should stop spawning posts with there info as the backing maybe i should just ignore anything they write from now on 🙂

Anyone played BF Viet ? is it any good?

 

[modedepe]

Yeah, maybe you should 😉

Haven't played BFV yet but I think I'll pick it up when I have a chance.

 

[BFG10K]

There are so many inconsistent rumours floating around it's hard to tell what is reality and what isn't.

When I first saw that the NV40 was 16x1 I was quite dubious but of course if nVidia do actually pull it off instead of just delivering a hybrid 16x1/8x2, more power to them I say. Again we'll just have to wait for the final reviews to see what the real deal is.

 

[BFG10K]

Now, I don't want to seem like a n00b or anything here, but, what is the difference between, say, 16x1 or 8x2 or the difference between 8x1 or 4x2?

The first number determines the pixel fillrate (and pixel shader performance to some degree) while the second determines the texel fillrate.

An 8x1 card has double the pixel fillrate of a 4x2 card and has equal texel fillrate only if the game is multitexturing in layers of two. If it isn't the 8x1 part is superior in texel fillrate too because the 4x2 part is making some passes with empty texture units.

 

[SickBeast]

OK this NV40 pipeline game is getting REDICULOUS now. It's changed like 4 times now. Screw this, I'm waiting till the cards are released and ignoring all the garbage Nvidia hype.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: modedepe
NV40 going to be 8x2? Interesting for a card that was just cancelled a few days ago and replaced with a 16 pipe card

Yes it was cancelled, but what was being called nv45 is now what nvidia calls nv40. The card the inquirer speaks of was the nv45, but now is the "new" nv40.

 

[nRollo]

An 8x1 card has double the pixel fillrate of a 4x2 card and has equal texel fillrate only if the game is multitexturing in layers of two. If it isn't the 8x1 part is superior in texel fillrate too because the 4x2 part is making some passes with empty texture units.

That's pretty interesting BFG. Of course, what year was the last non multitextured game released? Was that about 1995? LOL

AFAIK, single texture fillrate is nowhere near as important as it used to be, someone please correct me if I'm wrong?

BTW I could care if nV40 is 16X1 or 8X2 (I always thought it would be 8X2) as long as it delivers a significant performance advancement.

 

[BFG10K]

Multitexturing does not imply layers of two. If you do three or five for example, some passes on the 8x2 will be empty thus wasting performance (i.e for those passes it'll be 8x1). OTOH they'll always be full on a 16x1 part which is why it'll always have equal or greater texel fillrate.

 

[nRollo]

If you do three or five for example, some passes on the 8x2 will be empty thus wasting performance

That is an interesting example, it would be more interesting to know what percentage have 2-3-4-5-6 textures. I remember when the VIVO came out with it's 3 tmus per pipe, they said that would be great if any games used three, they were all at two.

I haven't really kept up with this aspect, can you provide links to evidence of this shift towards odd numbers of textures that favors ATI, or is this another "if games used it, this would be an advantage" situation like 3 tmus was then, and DX9 has been for the last 18 months?

 

[BFG10K]

I wouldn't say there has been a shift either way. What I am saying is that a 8x1 part always has double the pixel fillrate and equal to or better texel fillrate of the 4x2 part which makes it the superior solution.

 

[videoclone]

8x1 is better then 4x2 and so will 12x1 be better then 8x2 ... and if ATI comes out with a 16x1 revision core then bye bye Nvidia's 8x2 core .. and bye bye Nvidia in the highend Graphics Market ! And hello expensive ATI cards.

Nvidia better deliver the goods and win back the graphics crown or they wont have any more partners to sell there chips too. Think how many they have lost to ATI already.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: videoclone
8x1 is better then 4x2 and so will 12x1 be better then 8x2 ... and if ATI comes out with a 16x1 revision core then bye bye Nvidia's 8x2 core .. and bye bye Nvidia in the highend Graphics Market ! And hello expensive ATI cards.

Nvidia better deliver the goods and win back the graphics crown or they wont have any more partners to sell there chips too. Think how many they have lost to ATI already.

how so?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I wouldn't say there has been a shift either way. What I am saying is that a 8x1 part always has double the pixel fillrate and equal to or better texel fillrate of the 4x2 part which makes it the superior solution.

It's interesting how no one will trade inferior solutions for those superior solutions isn't it BFG? You'd think they'd want to get in on all this "superior" ATI performance?

What was my last offer with the 9700 Pro? Wasn't it the 9700Pro, $75, and some games and parts? All for a card that is "inferior" to the 9700Pro alone?

I'll make my offer from the other thread better yet!
I will trade, even up, my pristine, never OCd Sapphire retail 9800 Pro, and retail UT2003, for a "inferior" Leadtek or Gainward 5900 Ultra (stock 850/850 clock only) or a 5800 Ultra! (prefer non OCd as well) I'll throw in a US Cellular compatible Tri mode Ericsson A1228d cell phone with a car charger, home charger, and manuals, so you can call your friends and say "Woot! Rollo has gone ape!"

You can't beat that BFG- A video card that will beat either of those video cards in almost every benchmark, a really cool video game, and a perfectly usable cell phone, all for one inferior nVidia card. Let's see if anyone else shares your opinions yet again, shall we? I'd say the better end of this deal goes to whoever trades me, wouldn't you?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I wouldn't say there has been a shift either way. What I am saying is that a 8x1 part always has double the pixel fillrate and equal to or better texel fillrate of the 4x2 part which makes it the superior solution.

It's interesting how no one will trade inferior solutions for those superior solutions isn't it BFG? You'd think they'd want to get in on all this "superior" ATI performance?

What was my last offer with the 9700 Pro? Wasn't it the 9700Pro, $75, and some games and parts? All for a card that is "inferior" to the 9700Pro alone?

I'll make my offer from the other thread better yet!
I will trade, even up, my pristine, never OCd Sapphire retail 9800 Pro, and retail UT2003, for a "inferior" Leadtek or Gainward 5900 Ultra (stock 850/850 clock only) or a 5800 Ultra! (prefer non OCd as well) I'll throw in a US Cellular compatible Tri mode Ericsson A1228d cell phone with a car charger, home charger, and manuals, so you can call your friends and say "Woot! Rollo has gone ape!"

You can't beat that BFG- A video card that will beat either of those video cards in almost every benchmark, a really cool video game, and a perfectly usable cell phone, all for one inferior nVidia card. Let's see if anyone else shares your opinions yet again, shall we? I'd say the better end of this deal goes to whoever trades me, wouldn't you?

How bout you keep your cell phone and UT2k3 and trade me straight up for my FX5900 with 2.2ns RAM? 😀

*EDIT* Hell, I'll even flash it with a 5900 Ultra BIOS so you don't have to mess with adjusting the clock frequency using coolbits 😀

**EDIT** Ok, ok... I'll even throw in $20 😀

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I wouldn't say there has been a shift either way. What I am saying is that a 8x1 part always has double the pixel fillrate and equal to or better texel fillrate of the 4x2 part which makes it the superior solution.

It's interesting how no one will trade inferior solutions for those superior solutions isn't it BFG? You'd think they'd want to get in on all this "superior" ATI performance?

What was my last offer with the 9700 Pro? Wasn't it the 9700Pro, $75, and some games and parts? All for a card that is "inferior" to the 9700Pro alone?

I'll make my offer from the other thread better yet!
I will trade, even up, my pristine, never OCd Sapphire retail 9800 Pro, and retail UT2003, for a "inferior" Leadtek or Gainward 5900 Ultra (stock 850/850 clock only) or a 5800 Ultra! (prefer non OCd as well) I'll throw in a US Cellular compatible Tri mode Ericsson A1228d cell phone with a car charger, home charger, and manuals, so you can call your friends and say "Woot! Rollo has gone ape!"

You can't beat that BFG- A video card that will beat either of those video cards in almost every benchmark, a really cool video game, and a perfectly usable cell phone, all for one inferior nVidia card. Let's see if anyone else shares your opinions yet again, shall we? I'd say the better end of this deal goes to whoever trades me, wouldn't you?

If you were serious about that offer you'd put it in FS/T 😉
Actions speak louder than words, my friend.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I wouldn't say there has been a shift either way. What I am saying is that a 8x1 part always has double the pixel fillrate and equal to or better texel fillrate of the 4x2 part which makes it the superior solution.

It's interesting how no one will trade inferior solutions for those superior solutions isn't it BFG? You'd think they'd want to get in on all this "superior" ATI performance?

What was my last offer with the 9700 Pro? Wasn't it the 9700Pro, $75, and some games and parts? All for a card that is "inferior" to the 9700Pro alone?

I'll make my offer from the other thread better yet!
I will trade, even up, my pristine, never OCd Sapphire retail 9800 Pro, and retail UT2003, for a "inferior" Leadtek or Gainward 5900 Ultra (stock 850/850 clock only) or a 5800 Ultra! (prefer non OCd as well) I'll throw in a US Cellular compatible Tri mode Ericsson A1228d cell phone with a car charger, home charger, and manuals, so you can call your friends and say "Woot! Rollo has gone ape!"

You can't beat that BFG- A video card that will beat either of those video cards in almost every benchmark, a really cool video game, and a perfectly usable cell phone, all for one inferior nVidia card. Let's see if anyone else shares your opinions yet again, shall we? I'd say the better end of this deal goes to whoever trades me, wouldn't you?

If you were serious about that offer you'd put it in FS/T 😉
Actions speak louder than words, my friend.

Hey shut up, I'm trying to make a deal here, lol.

 

[nRollo]

Sorry Jeff, I've got no problems dealing with you, but it's got to be Gainward or Leadtek, stock Ultra. (or 5800Ultra)

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Sorry Jeff, I've got no problems dealing with you, but it's got to be Gainward or Leadtek, stock Ultra. (or 5800Ultra)

Ok... mine's an Ultra... do we have a deal now? 😀 (secretly flashes the BIOS and calls it good since there's no markings on the card to distinguish it) lmao

*EDIT* Hey... I've also got a 128 MB FX5950 Ultra... bet ya never seen one of those before huh? LOL

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I'll make my offer from the other thread better yet!
I will trade, even up, my pristine, never OCd Sapphire retail 9800 Pro, and retail UT2003, for a "inferior" Leadtek or Gainward 5900 Ultra (stock 850/850 clock only) or a 5800 Ultra! (prefer non OCd as well) I'll throw in a US Cellular compatible Tri mode Ericsson A1228d cell phone with a car charger, home charger, and manuals, so you can call your friends and say "Woot! Rollo has gone ape!"

You can't beat that BFG- A video card that will beat either of those video cards in almost every benchmark, a really cool video game, and a perfectly usable cell phone, all for one inferior nVidia card. Let's see if anyone else shares your opinions yet again, shall we? I'd say the better end of this deal goes to whoever trades me, wouldn't you?

Wouldn't the other person get the worse deal? Isn't Leadtek or Gainward 5900 Ultra more expensive than Sapphire 9800 Pro? I'm pretty sure it is. UT2003 is worthless as is the cellphone. You're going to have to up your offer by a lot if you're really interested in doing this trade.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I wouldn't say there has been a shift either way. What I am saying is that a 8x1 part always has double the pixel fillrate and equal to or better texel fillrate of the 4x2 part which makes it the superior solution.

It's interesting how no one will trade inferior solutions for those superior solutions isn't it BFG? You'd think they'd want to get in on all this "superior" ATI performance?

What was my last offer with the 9700 Pro? Wasn't it the 9700Pro, $75, and some games and parts? All for a card that is "inferior" to the 9700Pro alone?

I'll make my offer from the other thread better yet!
I will trade, even up, my pristine, never OCd Sapphire retail 9800 Pro, and retail UT2003, for a "inferior" Leadtek or Gainward 5900 Ultra (stock 850/850 clock only) or a 5800 Ultra! (prefer non OCd as well) I'll throw in a US Cellular compatible Tri mode Ericsson A1228d cell phone with a car charger, home charger, and manuals, so you can call your friends and say "Woot! Rollo has gone ape!"

You can't beat that BFG- A video card that will beat either of those video cards in almost every benchmark, a really cool video game, and a perfectly usable cell phone, all for one inferior nVidia card. Let's see if anyone else shares your opinions yet again, shall we? I'd say the better end of this deal goes to whoever trades me, wouldn't you?

If you were serious about that offer you'd put it in FS/T 😉
Actions speak louder than words, my friend.

Hmmm.

You were saying?

I'm always serious about online trading