Nissan workers at Miss. plant vote against unionizing

[MomentsofSanity]

my father was a member of the CAW in Ford Talbotville. He hated the union and it's corruption. He could tell you many stories about the BS he saw.

Yup my stepfather and uncles retired from there. My favourite story was when people kept coming out from work to find their trucks on blocks and their tires gone. Happened to my step father. Ford hired security to patrol the parking lots and the union grieved it. People go out and drink on their breaks in the lot and they figured they were there to tell on them. The lot was always full of beer caps, cans etc...

 

[agent00f]

my father was a member of the CAW in Ford Talbotville. He hated the union and it's corruption. He could tell you many stories about the BS he saw.

Yup my stepfather and uncles retired from there. My favourite story was when people kept coming out from work to find their trucks on blocks and their tires gone. Happened to my step father. Ford hired security to patrol the parking lots and the union grieved it. People go out and drink on their breaks in the lot and they figured they were there to tell on them. The lot was always full of beer caps, cans etc...

The story of the UAW is a history of the contentious relationship with management largely caused by the latter. It is after all literally their job to manage.

But some people do love stories of lower level employees who don't give a shit without the story of how that came to be under circumstances bred by people above them.

 

[Iron Woode]

Yup my stepfather and uncles retired from there. My favourite story was when people kept coming out from work to find their trucks on blocks and their tires gone. Happened to my step father. Ford hired security to patrol the parking lots and the union grieved it. People go out and drink on their breaks in the lot and they figured they were there to tell on them. The lot was always full of beer caps, cans etc...

my dad saw workers that were drunk, stoned or just didn't even bother doing anything while at work.

He was there when the police/OPP came to arrest Russell Johnson. My dad even worked with a guy named Snake (Bill Pulley) a nice guy but was trying to be the most tattooed person in the world.

I personally have no opinion either way about unions.

 

[Starbuck1975]

It was literally the motivation for kaizen, and the book you didn't read explains why.

It might have been the motivation but not the reason why the Japanese were so successful in implementing "change for better". As usual, you're wrapping your flaccid noodle around semantics to distract and derail.

 

[agent00f]

It might have been the motivation but not the reason why the Japanese were so successful in implementing "change for better". As usual, you're wrapping your flaccid noodle around semantics to distract and derail.

No, the fact people can't be fired was literally the reason alternative means were employed, ie social pressure. Great job admitting degens don't read what they pretend to cite.

 

[pcgeek11]

Oh look another round of pcgeek says a thing and then says he didn't. Dude own your words, admit when you over simplify to blame those you dislike and that the world is not as black and white as you like to make it appear in your posts. You blamed the UAW exclusively in your original post for ruining Detroit full stop.

I owned every word I said. Nowhere did I say they "exclusively" did anything. I further explained it later.

 

[brycejones]

I owned every word I said. Nowhere did I say they "exclusively" did anything. I further explained it later.

WRONG

 

[pcgeek11]

I laugh when I hear about all the UAW corruption and the shit heap they made of Detroit etc...

https://www.google.com/search?q=UAW+Corruption&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

I said nothing about designing cars.

Wrong. That wasn't 100% the issue, but to say it had no bearing is completely false.

I never said the union was the only reason. It is a very large part of it.

And you are saying what? That the unions had nothing to do with running Detroit into the ground?

They are just as responsible as the Automakers in Detroit.

Are you saying that they didn't have any responsibility for it? An answer would be nice. Or are you going to divert again.

I owned every word I said. Nowhere did I say they "exclusively" did anything. I further explained it later.

WRONG

Show me where I said that it was exclusive to the union. Above are quoted every post I made in the thread.

 

[brycejones]

Show me where I said that it was exclusive to the union. Above are quoted every post I made in the thread.

Thank you for posting your ever evolving theory. Again you said a bs statement at first and then spent the next several posts trying to back track when called out on your bs. So I you haven't owned how your original statement was bs.

It's another case of pcgeek says a thing and then spends multiple posts trying to claim he didn't say a thing.

 

[pcgeek11]

Thank you for posting your ever evolving theory. Again you said a bs statement at first and then spent the next several posts trying to back track when called out on your bs. So I you haven't owned how your original statement was bs.

It's another case of pcgeek says a thing and then spends multiple posts trying to claim he didn't say a thing.

Another case of brycejones cannot grasp the written word.

 

[KB]

Yea, what the hell did unions ever do....

Although unions do help to keep wages up for some positions that have limited global competition, I believe this graph shows why middle class income is falling, thus union membership is falling:

Plot this data over yours and you will see as global trade goes up, middle-class wages here fall. This is because we now must compete against cheaper wage countries like China and India dragging US wages down.

 

[Atreus21]

I laugh when workers vote against their own best interests.

So do I. At least they weren't successful.

 

[Atreus21]

If I could start a business I'd want all my employees to be as stupid as these guys.

Well if they were hired by you they'd have great need for a union, as you're evidently not trustworthy.

These guys apparently don't have people like you for an employer, and hence don't need a union.

 

[agent00f]

Well if they were hired by you they'd have great need for a union, as you're evidently not trustworthy.

These guys apparently don't have people like you for an employer, and hence don't need a union.

^ excellent hire for greatnoob's business.

 

[bshole]

Although unions do help to keep wages up for some positions that have limited global competition, I believe this graph shows why middle class income is falling, thus union membership is falling:

Plot this data over yours and you will see as global trade goes up, middle-class wages here fall. This is because we now must compete against cheaper wage countries like China and India dragging US wages down.

Yea the two kind of go hand in hand though. The unions used to have power over politicians to keep them moving jobs overseas. They ceded that power to corporations that wanted to move jobs overseas. That is one hypothesis at least.

 

[Jhhnn]

Although unions do help to keep wages up for some positions that have limited global competition, I believe this graph shows why middle class income is falling, thus union membership is falling:

Plot this data over yours and you will see as global trade goes up, middle-class wages here fall. This is because we now must compete against cheaper wage countries like China and India dragging US wages down.

That's only a small part of it. The rest is due to tech innovation, particularly in automation-

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/...-killer-is-not-china-its-automation.html?_r=0

Memo from the Job Creators- a pink slip to America- "Your services are no longer required." And bootstraps! of course. That one always gets 'em. Makes 'em think it's all their own fault. Losers!

 

[Jhhnn]

Yea the two kind of go hand in hand though. The unions used to have power over politicians to keep them moving jobs overseas. They ceded that power to corporations that wanted to move jobs overseas. That is one hypothesis at least.

Unions and tickle down are incompatible so just STFU & take what they give us.

 

[zinfamous]

Why does OP always post in old man font?

 

[agent00f]

Why does OP always post in old man font?

He copy/pastes the content in and can't be bothered to figure out the font size button.

 

[Zaap]

Just unionizing isn't always the magic bullet people make it out to be.

Some unions are just downright rotten; only interested in taking the dues and doing jack shit for the workers. There are quite a few Hollywood trade unions in my line of work that are corrupt to the core, don't know much about or care about the core skills they claim to represent and do nothing but leach off the workers and bleed the studios. The joke of 'negotiation' with bad unions is them basically working to enrich THEMSELVES and screw the workers- and many times screw the core business as well. Many would rather cave and take a payoff than go to bat for any worker grievances if they can help it. Keep the busses rolling; need a steady supply of them to toss workers under!

On the other hand, there are awesome unions that really understand and fairly represent the skillsets involved, really do work to protect the employees, push for higher wages, and use their muscle to go to bat for the workers when needed. (Like my union, the Screen Editors Guild- they are a powerhouse and are awesome to belong to. Employers fear crossing them, treat their members right, and respect them at the same time.)

So unless you know the situation (and honestly, the UAW comes off as the POSTERCHILD of the first mentioned type of union, not the 2nd) then maybe learn the actual situation on the ground or STFU about preaching to others about what their best interests are.

 

[agent00f]

Just unionizing isn't always the magic bullet people make it out to be.

Some unions are just downright rotten; only interested in taking the dues and doing jack shit for the workers. There are quite a few Hollywood trade unions in my line of work that are corrupt to the core, don't know much about or care about the core skills they claim to represent and do nothing but leach off the workers and bleed the studios. The joke of 'negotiation' with bad unions is them basically working to enrich THEMSELVES and screw the workers- and many times screw the core business as well. Many would rather cave and take a payoff than go to bat for any worker grievances if they can help it. Keep the busses rolling; need a steady supply of them to toss workers under!

On the other hand, there are awesome unions that really understand and fairly represent the skillsets involved, really do work to protect the employees, push for higher wages, and use their muscle to go to bat for the workers when needed. (Like my union, the Screen Editors Guild- they are a powerhouse and are awesome to belong to. Employers fear crossing them, treat their members right, and respect them at the same time.)

So unless you know the situation (and honestly, the UAW comes off as the POSTERCHILD of the first mentioned type of union, not the 2nd) then maybe learn the actual situation on the ground or STFU about preaching to others about what their best interests are.

Pretty good illustration of how self-interest works.

 

[nickqt]

Unions and tickle down are incompatible so just STFU & take what they give us.

We have to give rich people all the money, or they won't give the rest of us jobs.

 

[greatnoob]

Well if they were hired by you they'd have great need for a union, as you're evidently not trustworthy.

These guys apparently don't have people like you for an employer, and hence don't need a union.

You and your other dumb Christian mates are hired! Your wages are determined by god and incidentally she contacted me last night (through telepathical Jesus internet messaging of course) saying a bible, a prayer and a wad of gum would be more than adequate. You get good afterlife insurance to add! Oh and I'm allowed to lynch you for any misconduct (gotta keep god's bottomline up so she can hire all those outsourced customer support reps, too many unanswered prayers in the last millennium seems to have a bad impact on god's image hey).