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Nissan Looking to Launch 400-hp V8 "Z"
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30K? are you serious? do you know what the base 350z comes with? i went to nissan and saw with regular options (that came standard on the G35) brought the car up to around $38K.
secondly, the z isn't bad but it's too loud for casual driving. i like going to higher rpms just for fun and it seems like the G35 is WAAAY quieter. i don't know if they got something in the paneling or what but it was much quieter. i'm only 18 so i went to test drive just for fun but still. both are awesome cars though
The Z is a good car for the money, but for best "sports car" at it's price point, I think the S2000 has an edge. The 350Z platform has significant problems with front camber/understeer so if you're serious about tracking the car, there are some substantial concerns.
However for the street its a good car, though I'm not partial to it's upper rev-band characteristics and its weight, its a much more livable sports car with its torque and matches American tastes better.
The S2000 is lighter, has a superior gearbox, handles a bit better, and is pretty equal/hair behind in a straight line. On very tight courses, the S2000 easily has an edge, but even on higher speed courses, the S2000 normally has a slight edge. Also being an s2000 owner, of course I think it looks better than the bulbous 350z 😉
JackBurton
Lifer
Very nice! I want one.
mAdD INDIAN
Diamond Member
It's not supposed to have impressive 1/4mi stats. That is not what the car is for.
DurocShark
Lifer
What root is that? The 70's? Oh, wait.
:roll:
EDIT: I've owned 2 70's Z's: A 76 with a B&B engine and oversized throttle body and a 77 2+2.
honestly that car would be awful. if you want a drag racer it would be fast. i still dont understand why people even like drag racing. its a completely skillless activity with no sport in it at all.
but considering awd on nissan/infiniti platforms adds 300 pounds, and the v8 is probably another 150 pounds heavier not to mention whateve rsuspension / intake/exhaust modifications need to be done you are looking at a 3900 pound coupe. i guess it would be like a japanese mustang GT with awd, but heavier as the 350z is already pretty heavy. at 3900 pounds that is well, almost uncharted coupe territory , that is like bmw 6 series weight , and the 6 series is a much larger coupe.
they should just turbo the normal Z , not put awd on it, and keep it under 3500 pounds. the 350z already puts out 300hp , so another 50 or so, with less weight would be better and cheaper.
i know a few rx8 drivers at work, and they say basically the fact that it is under 3000 pounds (i think the s2000 is about the same) is what makes driving it fun. i suppose i have a different perspecitve, as i'm in L.A. and there is no where where you can drive that fast anyway but plenty of hills and twists along the beach.
but considering awd on nissan/infiniti platforms adds 300 pounds, and the v8 is probably another 150 pounds heavier not to mention whateve rsuspension / intake/exhaust modifications need to be done you are looking at a 3900 pound coupe. i guess it would be like a japanese mustang GT with awd, but heavier as the 350z is already pretty heavy. at 3900 pounds that is well, almost uncharted coupe territory , that is like bmw 6 series weight , and the 6 series is a much larger coupe.
they should just turbo the normal Z , not put awd on it, and keep it under 3500 pounds. the 350z already puts out 300hp , so another 50 or so, with less weight would be better and cheaper.
i know a few rx8 drivers at work, and they say basically the fact that it is under 3000 pounds (i think the s2000 is about the same) is what makes driving it fun. i suppose i have a different perspecitve, as i'm in L.A. and there is no where where you can drive that fast anyway but plenty of hills and twists along the beach.
The camber problems were with the earlier Zs that came off the line. My Z had that problem, but it was fixed in a TSB without issue. I don't think any of the current Zs have this problem.
Because you're used to a VTEC, yes?
Agreed.
Agreed.
Disagree. I'd like to see how you determined this.
I would buy an S2000 if it weren't so damn small. I love Honda products, but I still love my Z.
mercanucaribe
Banned
Only 500lb? That's substantial. They could easily Americanize a turbo I4 for the US.. other carmakers have no problems.
computeerrgghh
Golden Member
When Honda releases a v8 people will say OMFG the Apocalypse is near.
mercanucaribe
Banned
They've had this V8 forever.. When was the last time GM released a new V8 anyway?
JackBurton
Lifer
They are not saying Boo to the V8. They are saying Boo to the ugly ass car they are putting the V8 in. (statement does not include the Vette)
johnjbruin
Diamond Member
I would much rather take a TT V6 in a Z than a N/A V8. That Vb in the m45 isn't *that* rev happy as it should be in a sports car.
The weight is not the concern, revving that v8 is. Sure you get low end torque and that great cruising at low rpm since your tqorqu curce bulges at the bottom - but that still doenst offset that when you punch it - it doesnt rev up that fast.
Trust me - I know both of these engines - uncle has an 05 m45 and i have a g35.
The weight is not the concern, revving that v8 is. Sure you get low end torque and that great cruising at low rpm since your tqorqu curce bulges at the bottom - but that still doenst offset that when you punch it - it doesnt rev up that fast.
Trust me - I know both of these engines - uncle has an 05 m45 and i have a g35.
KokomoGSTmp
Senior member
I think it does dilute the spirit of the Z a little bit. But then it's more of an evolutionary step anywho.
I suspect Nissan is reserving the AWD platform and turbocharging for the future Skyline GTR.
Honestly, I like the idea so long as they do a good job with maintaining the relative balance of the car and increase the wheelbase & length of the car along the lines of the Nismo Z concept. Having that much torque on tap with the V8 without more rubber and milder backend wouldn't be too enjoyable of a ride. However, I don't think that Nissan will need to do a ton to get close to 400bhp. Getting it to rev isn't much of an issue as it once was with MB, GM, etc producing high output high-rev V8s.
You'll probably just see a retooling of the V8 manufacturing at Nissan with the Z seeing intake, exhaust, and computer tuning to allow for more power than the V8s going into the Infiniti 45s. The old MB AMG V8 makes much less power and doesn't spin up as high as the new larger and higher revving AMG V8s going into the AMG 63s. BMW's new M3 is going to run with another high-rev V8 producing ~400bhp from ~4L.
EDIT: an S2000 is not in the same category of sports car as the Z. It is actually a good clip slower than a Z in a straight line in real life. You really don't want to abuse the S2k's clutch from a standing start either. The Honda is much more a prototypical roadster.
I suspect Nissan is reserving the AWD platform and turbocharging for the future Skyline GTR.
Honestly, I like the idea so long as they do a good job with maintaining the relative balance of the car and increase the wheelbase & length of the car along the lines of the Nismo Z concept. Having that much torque on tap with the V8 without more rubber and milder backend wouldn't be too enjoyable of a ride. However, I don't think that Nissan will need to do a ton to get close to 400bhp. Getting it to rev isn't much of an issue as it once was with MB, GM, etc producing high output high-rev V8s.
You'll probably just see a retooling of the V8 manufacturing at Nissan with the Z seeing intake, exhaust, and computer tuning to allow for more power than the V8s going into the Infiniti 45s. The old MB AMG V8 makes much less power and doesn't spin up as high as the new larger and higher revving AMG V8s going into the AMG 63s. BMW's new M3 is going to run with another high-rev V8 producing ~400bhp from ~4L.
EDIT: an S2000 is not in the same category of sports car as the Z. It is actually a good clip slower than a Z in a straight line in real life. You really don't want to abuse the S2k's clutch from a standing start either. The Honda is much more a prototypical roadster.
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