Nikon Introduces D60

[GTaudiophile]

Brief Hands On Preview

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Also...

AFS 16-85 F3.5-5.6 VR

AFS 60 F2.8

Tilt-Shift 24mm Lens

 

[GTaudiophile]

With the Nikon 60/F2.8 Macro and 16-85 lenses, I think they are starting to match Canon lens-for-lens with each release. Even now going after Canon's TS lenses which are like 20 years old in design.

Very aggressive! I hope Canon wakes up.

 

[tdawg]

I'm looking forward to that new macro. I was just looking at the previous version to finally add to my kit, but I may just hold out for this new one and see at what price it hits the streets.

 

[ElFenix]

not much change. why mess with a good thing, i guess? i wonder if it really has the new image processor in it? somewhat interesting stop motion movie mode. i wonder where it will come in pricewise, being such a modest update? i'd have to say under $700 street with the VR lens.

canon needs to put the 18-55 IS into XTi kits.

 

[OdiN]

I looked it over earlier today - didn't seem like they did much with it.

 

[dug777]

Looks very tidy.

Why mess with a good thing, as ElFenix says...the D40/D40X was a very sorted little number and a delight to use anyway...except the lack of a top LCD :|

 

[dug777]

Also, I can't wait for a review of that 16-85mm VR, I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it's half decent.

 

[corkyg]

Interesting. My first DSLR was a Canon D60 several years ago. Maybe Nikon wants to create confusion?

 

[Aharami]

Is the D60 a direct competitor with the 450D? Or will that be the D90?

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: corkyg
Interesting. My first DSLR was a Canon D60 several years ago. Maybe Nikon wants to create confusion?

It's probably about on par with the Canon.


:laugh:


Just messin with you Noink folks.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: Aharami
Is the D60 a direct competitor with the 450D? Or will that be the D90?

I think it's trying to undercut it... pricewise anyway. I'm really interested in what the D90 will have to offer. After using my pentax k1000 for a bit again, I'm begging for a better viewfinder. But even so, it'll be a while for me, heh

 

[soydios]

W00t! A PC lens update! They're really going for it: 24mm wide, 45mm normal, and 85mm short telephoto tilt-shifts.

The Micro-Nikkor 60mm f/2.8 AF-S is another good update.

That 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-S DX VR has been sorely missed. The 24-120mm for the DX bodies.

I'm quite curious to see how all the lenses stack up image quality- and price-wise. The MTF charts.



TBH, I'm disappointed by the D60. It's a D40x with new software, right down to the measly 3-point AF.

I want my D90 (mini-D300) with AF-S 50mm f/1.2G VR!

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: soydios


I want my D90 (mini-D300) with AF-S 50mm f/1.2G VR!

has anyone figured out if thats real or fake yet

 

[soydios]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: soydios


I want my D90 (mini-D300) with AF-S 50mm f/1.2G VR!

has anyone figured out if thats real or fake yet

sadly no, it's just the ultimate wish-list prime lens (along with 24mm f/1.4 AF-S and 85mm f/1.4 AF-S)

 

[soydios]

sometimes I fscking hate Ken Rockwell: http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d60.htm

some excerpts: "It appears to replace the D80 with greatly improved real image quality due to the addition of the same tricks that make the D300 and D3 such winners"
NO, it does NOT replace the D80, it replaces the D40x! The D60 does not have an in-body autofocus motor, has a meager 3 autofocus points, no top display, and a smaller EN-EL9 battery. It does not have the sensor and image-processing chips of the D300, either, so all its tricks are software! Apparently KR doesn't care about high-ISO noise (opinionated sob).

"I have not confirmed, but experience tells me that the "look" of D60 images ought to match the look from the D3 and D300, much as the last generation's cameras (D2, D200, D80, D40) tended to be similar when set accordingly."
WRONG, your 'experience' ought to tell you that it will behave like the D80 does, as it has all the same hardware inside!

Gah. It still confounds me how this blithering idiot gets so much exposure.

 

[pennylane]

Yeah I don't even bother reading Ken Rockwell...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: soydios


I want my D90 (mini-D300) with AF-S 50mm f/1.2G VR!

has anyone figured out if thats real or fake yet

can an f/1.2 50 mm lens even fit on F-mount without resorting to some very complicated optical designs?

Originally posted by: soydios
WRONG, your 'experience' ought to tell you that it will behave like the D80 does, as it has all the same hardware inside!

Gah. It still confounds me how this blithering idiot gets so much exposure.

i thought it had all the same hardware as the D40x inside

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: soydios


I want my D90 (mini-D300) with AF-S 50mm f/1.2G VR!

has anyone figured out if thats real or fake yet

can an f/1.2 50 mm lens even fit on F-mount without resorting to some very complicated optical designs?

Why wouldn't it be able to? Canon makes a 50mm f/1.2L. I don't think the mounts are hugely different are they?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: soydios


I want my D90 (mini-D300) with AF-S 50mm f/1.2G VR!

has anyone figured out if thats real or fake yet

can an f/1.2 50 mm lens even fit on F-mount without resorting to some very complicated optical designs?

Why wouldn't it be able to? Canon makes a 50mm f/1.2L. I don't think the mounts are hugely different are they?

nikon's throat width of 44 mm is too narrow to allow some of the large aperture lenses that canon has without complex designs. EF has an internal diameter of 54 mm.

"The EOS mount is way bigger than the Nikon F mount, for example, which is why Canon can build some interesting wide angle and superfast lenses that Nikon can't."

 

[soydios]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: soydios


I want my D90 (mini-D300) with AF-S 50mm f/1.2G VR!

has anyone figured out if thats real or fake yet

can an f/1.2 50 mm lens even fit on F-mount without resorting to some very complicated optical designs?

Why wouldn't it be able to? Canon makes a 50mm f/1.2L. I don't think the mounts are hugely different are they?

the Canon EF mount is physically larger. a Nikkor 50mm f/1.2L would likely require a complicated design, like the Nikkor 28mm f/1.4 did.

 

[soydios]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: soydios
WRONG, your 'experience' ought to tell you that it will behave like the D80 does, as it has all the same hardware inside!

Gah. It still confounds me how this blithering idiot gets so much exposure.

i thought it had all the same hardware as the D40x inside

The D40x, D60, and D80 all share the same sensor and image processing chips. The D200 has a 4-channel output version, which allows for faster continuous shooting, as more data is moved off the chip faster.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: soydios


The D40x, D60, and D80 all share the same sensor and image processing chips. The D200 has a 4-channel output version, which allows for faster continuous shooting, as more data is moved off the chip faster.

given the timing of the D40x relative to the D40, i have to wonder if nikon goofed with the D40, not expecting canon to release a 10 MP 400D (thus leapfrogging the 30D), and so crammed a D80 into the D40 body as a stop-gap

 

[jpeyton]

D60 Full-Size Sample Images (Nikon Japan)

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
D60 Full-Size Sample Images (Nikon Japan)

HOLY CRAP those are some amazing pics!!

looking at the pics at 100% and Im blown away at the image quality. This has everything to do with the fact that I havent seen many pics from DLSRs at 100% - so im not used to pictures of this caliber. Do all DSLRs produce pics like these?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Aharami
Do all DSLRs produce pics like these?

To a certain extent.

As far as limiting factors for DSLR picture quality, I would rate them in this order (from most important to least important):

1) Quality of the photographer
2) Quality of the DSLR lens
3) Quality of the DSLR body

Obviously, #1, if you don't have an artistic eye, you're not going to capture the moment with impact. If you give two people the same exact scene and equipment, the person producing a better photo will know how to use the available equipment, light, and angles to their fullest.

#2, you need a lens that will produce the artistic result you want. Want a bird-in-flight, buy a telephoto zoom. Want a scenic vista or street scene, buy a wide angle zoom. You don't need an expensive lens necessarily; a great photographer can get winning photos from a kit lens. But once you find a lens is limiting your performance to produce great photos, it's time to upgrade.

#3, again mirrors what was said about the lens, but to a lesser degree of importance. A pro sports photographer will find the high ISO performance of a Nikon D3 or Canon 1DsMk3 to be indispensible, but you don't need a $5000+ body to capture many other kinds of photos.