Nike sides with Kaepernick

[zinfamous]

Says you.

He only consulted with a veteran after it exploded on social media. Most of the veterans I know share a similiar perspective. They support the right to protest, but many question the sincerity of Kaepernick, but also resent Trump and the NFL for dragging veterans into the discussion to begin with.

Those who wish to silence that opinion exhibit a different form of ignorance. There was a reason Villanueva broke from his team, and it wasn’t because he accidentally stepped past the end of the tunnel.

Kaepernick contacted the Ranger on his own volition after the Ranger made his feelings public. You can "doubt" his sincerity all you want, you can doubt his motivations, as can your friends, you all can doubt the understanding that both of those guys shared, but that is only ever going to be your problem.

You're just desperate for excuses to be offended by this, and it will never end. The GOP simply can't get over the idea of a black man protesting at all. Ever. In any way. It will always be a problem for them.

But hey, mission accomplished: People are talking about it and as expected, the GOP and their dingleberries are all a-flutter about how offended they are by the sight of an extremely passive black man being so goddamn offensively passive.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Well, maybe now you know. Maybe you can inform other veterans, that,

https://www.military.com/undertheradar/2016/09/kaepernick-meets-veteran-nate-boyer-kneels-anthem

Kaepernick specifically followed the recommendations of an Army Ranger how best to protest without disrespecting veterans (After the first time Kaepernick sat on the bench). The Ranger suggested that he kneel instead of sit, as this is universally seen as a sign of respect. Lol, it makes one wonder if the "veterans" that loudly claim disrespect by Kaepernick's form of respectful protest are just crisis actors, paid to feed chaff to the imbeciles that blindly vote GOP GOP GOP GOP.

Yes I am well aware of that. My only contention was that all of that only came about AFTER the photo of his sitting went viral. Forgive my spepticism that a player with a career in decline would pull a PR stunt.

I no longer have a problem with the kneeling.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yes I am well aware of that. My only contention was that all of that only came about AFTER the photo of his sitting went viral. Forgive my spepticism that a player with a career in decline would pull a PR stunt.

I no longer have a problem with the kneeling.

"a career in decline"
LOL

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[UberNeuman]

We real Americans salute you, Marine Todd!

 

[Starbuck1975]

"a career in decline"
LOL

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Injured, benched and replaced

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Injured, benched and replaced

And NO player has ever come back from injury, ever.

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[Starbuck1975]

You're just desperate for excuses to be offended by this, and it will never end. The GOP simply can't get over the idea of a black man protesting at all. Ever. In any way. It will always be a problem for them.

The flip side of that coin is the cry wolf alarmism of the left over anything involving race.

But hey, mission accomplished: People are talking about it and as expected, the GOP and their dingleberries are all a-flutter about how offended they are by the sight of an extremely passive black man being so goddamn offensively passive.

And the left dingleberries are all a-flutter as well because some have the audacity to question it as a PR move.

Whatever man. I passed an all black maintenance crew this morning wearing matching lime green shirts with Nike logos. I am grateful to live in a country where they are free to do so.

 

[Starbuck1975]

And NO player has ever come back from injury, ever.

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That is irrelevant

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That is irrelevant

Of course it is.

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[jackstar7]

The flip side of that coin is the cry wolf alarmism of the left over anything involving race.

This might relate to a concept I've only just learned about, which is "Concept Change." Maybe you already know about it, but with the way it relates to racism it's not all bad that more things are perceived as racist over time. It means that as we've progressed (despite all the efforts of those who hate progress), racism has overall decreased, but it makes people more keenly aware of things that maybe previously didn't seem racist, but are now encompassed by the concept.

The efforts to fight racism are successful which leads to more rooting out of more racism over time. Meanwhile, people who didn't know their dumb asses were being racist because they had cover from SUPER-racists are coming into the light and being shown that society isn't going to tolerate their lower-key racism either.

It's not crying wolf. It's the tolerance for racism shrinking as we remove more of it and the people complaining about it can go eat a pile of shit, because the goal is remove all racism, not allow for some.

 

[Veliko]

The majority of the "murdered, unarmed black people" are anything but. Michael Brown charged at the police officer after fighting for his weapon. Justified shooting. Trayvon Martin was shot after attacking Zimmerman and smashing his head into the pavement. In my own backyard, Jamar Clark was shot by police after beating his girlfriend for refusing to take his hands out of his pockets, wrestling with officers when they tried to detain him, then grabbing their gun. Thurman Blevins shot his gun into the air and ground in a residential neighborhood, ran when police responded to the 911 call, then reached for his gun after a 30 second foot chase and squeezed off a round, prompting officers to shoot him.

Some situations are less black and white and much, much more tragic. Philando Castile was pulled over because he matched the description of an armed robbery suspect. As the officer spoke to him and Philando rightly told him he had a gun, the officer told him not to reach for it, Philando persisted in grabbing behind his waist, and after 3 verbal commands to stop, the officer shot him.

Eric Garner also falls into the tragedy realm as he was a guy just trying to make a little money selling loose cigarettes. Uncle Sam wants his goddamn money so officers moved in for an arrest. Garner didn't comply and one of the officers jumped on his back and put him in a choke hold. Absolutely unnecessary to potentially (and in this case, actually) kill a man over some loose cigarettes. Should Garner have cooperated? Sure, but cops were reckless in trying to subdue him in that way.

Your post is chock full of rationalisations, justifications, and excuses for cops killing black people. You're willing to step into their shoes, to place yourself in the position of the officers, to give them the benefit of the doubt, they're only human after all.

But if a black person kneels before a sporting event? Whoa, that's bad! BAD BLACK PERSON NO BISCUIT FOR YOU

 

[wahdangun]

The world is a complex place. We can loathe aspects of a thing and like other aspects of a thing.

and it's make Kaepernick politic activism became questionable, so he's supporting a company that contradicting with his own movement, I mean becoming a face of a company that oppressing their worker while campaigning about how oppressed black African American. its like a nazi using Jew's as their public face and campaigning equality.

People are cheering on this campaign, the decision to make Kaepernick the face of it, and the message of the campaign. Sure it's a marketing stunt and does a great job distracting from their other issues. Much like Trump's constant terrible things he Tweets and says are him distracting from his constant failures of being an actual President.

Personally I don't buy Nike, I've had issues with their products wearing out far too quickly for me in the past.

yeah somewhat its resembling Trump, but worse.

 

[esquared]

Ha ha ha ha.
eff the cheeto and his followers.

Nike's stock at a all-time high.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nike-stock...h-colin-kaepernick-ad-campaign-225007582.html

 

[ch33zw1z]

I find it humorous that conservatives seem concerned wrt Kap's sincerity. Take the log out of your own eye before worrying about the spec in someone else's, it's WJWD. Conservatives have lost that leg to stand on.

 

[Josephus312]

The conversation is legitimate but got polluted by Trump and the incompetency of the NFL, so it is no longer worth having.

The conversation no one is having is because it is impossible to have constructive conversations on anything related to race. You’ve got team blue and team black.

You're basically making the same point I just made. We agree that the ACTUAL conversation in racial profiling and racial disparage of unarmed people being killed is a valid discussion we MUST have but also that it has been sidetracked by people who REALLY don't want to have that discussion, one of them being the POTUS.

AFAIK we are in complete agreement here.

It should be noted though that I'm not on either team, I'm on the side of liberty and that might make me side with those who protect the liberty of citizens too. It's a case by case basis for me but I do get pissed off when clear misconduct of officers rears it's ugly head. The race of the victim of such misconduct isn't really important to me but I do note that it happens to black people more often than white.

Then again, there was that white woman who was handcuffed and sat on the curb who was kicked in the face and the cop just got two paid weeks of leave.

Something like that should ALWAYS lead to a prison sentence with zero chance to work for any law enforcement department ever again.

 

[wahdangun]

You're basically making the same point I just made. We agree that the ACTUAL conversation in racial profiling and racial disparage of unarmed people being killed is a valid discussion we MUST have but also that it has been sidetracked by people who REALLY don't want to have that discussion, one of them being the POTUS.

AFAIK we are in complete agreement here.

It should be noted though that I'm not on either team, I'm on the side of liberty and that might make me side with those who protect the liberty of citizens too. It's a case by case basis for me but I do get pissed off when clear misconduct of officers rears it's ugly head. The race of the victim of such misconduct isn't really important to me but I do note that it happens to black people more often than white.

Then again, there was that white woman who was handcuffed and sat on the curb who was kicked in the face and the cop just got two paid weeks of leave.

Something like that should ALWAYS lead to a prison sentence with zero chance to work for any law enforcement department ever again.

Yeah, I guess the message should be about police brutality or abuse, and we should not care about the race, it's already criminal.

Be color blind, just like when Marthin Luther king principle, you should judge people from their action not from their skin color,

 

[ImpulsE69]

I believe in free speech from all sides, even if I don't agree with what is being said. What I do have a problem with is a company getting political in the manner that Nike has. I don't believe they care about any of that, they are just using it as a marketing gimmick.

 

[jackstar7]

I believe in free speech from all sides, even if I don't agree with what is being said. What I do have a problem with is a company getting political in the manner that Nike has. I don't believe they care about any of that, they are just using it as a marketing gimmick.

What you just said is nonsense.

 

[Vic]

What you just said is nonsense.

He obviously doesn't believe in free speech for all sides if he's going to put a qualifier on it like whether or not one side is - in his opinion - being genuine in their speech.
That's no different than saying you believe in free speech as long you agree with what's being said.

 

[Vic]

And hey, here's something fun. Nike's stock has already recovered from the little Kaep sell off and is trading at record highs. So if you're one of those who bought the propaganda and sold your Nike stock at the dip because of your political outrage, you should know that you and your buddies just collectively lost some $4 billion.

Enjoy!

 

[Alpha One Seven]

Who's the bigger fraud, Nike or Colin Kaepernick? Let's call it a tie

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[Alpha One Seven]

Missouri college says it will stop wearing Nike

Texas Farm Bureau and Mississippi Dept. of Public Safety Ban Employees From Wearing Nikes

Goaded by the performative nature of the internet, people are destroying their Nike apparel and declaring a moral boycott over shoes they’ve already purchased — all in the name of denouncing Colin Kaepernick, the newest face of Nike’s “Just Do It” campaign.


Sean Clancy@sclancy79
https://twitter.com/sclancy79/status/1036749717206691840

First the @NFL forces me to choose between my favorite sport and my country. I chose country. Then @Nike forces me to choose between my favorite shoes and my country. Since when did the American Flag and the National Anthem become offensive?

3:56 PM - Sep 3, 2018

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John Rich

✔@johnrich
https://twitter.com/johnrich/status/1036751396002050050

Our Soundman just cut the Nike swoosh off his socks. Former marine. Get ready @Nike multiply that by the millions.

4:02 PM - Sep 3, 2018

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[ImpulsE69]

He obviously doesn't believe in free speech for all sides if he's going to put a qualifier on it like whether or not one side is - in his opinion - being genuine in their speech.
That's no different than saying you believe in free speech as long you agree with what's being said.

You have no reading comprehension, nor the guy above you. Nike isn't promoting any kind of speech. They are just looking at $$$. Or if that still doesn't get the point across, I do not believe Nike's involvement in this has anything at all to do with free speech. Companies don't put themselves out there like that without an angle that makes them money. Your interpretation of what I said is....way out there.

 

[Vic]

You have no reading comprehension, nor the guy above you. Nike isn't promoting any kind of speech. They are just looking at $$$. Or if that still doesn't get the point across. I do not believe Nikes involvement in this has anything at all to do with free speech. Your interpretation of what I said is....way the fuck out there.

Oh I get it. You believe in free speech except when - in your opinion - that speech is motivated by money. And you happen to disagree with that speech too. Then it's suddenly not speech.
You got the point across all right. You're a fucking communist. Or you're just trying to fool everyone, including yourself most likely.
The popularity of this free speech under discussion is what Nike gambled on, and was what their profit motive depended on. A lot of people bet the wrong way on that issue of popularity and lost a lot of money. Just because Nike gambled the right way and made money doesn't mean it wasn't free speech. What it means is that Kaep's message is very popular free speech.

 

[Vic]

If black people peacefully and respectfully protest against government brutality against black people, and your only response to that is that black people must hate America, which prompts you to make impulsive, reactionary, and personally costly decisions, well...