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Lifer
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fskimospy said:
Why would we compare a year in the middle of a worldwide financial crisis to a year that was not? That makes no sense.

It’s a simple question that I am confident you will desperately avoid answering. Why was job growth so much slower under Trump this year than Obama last year? I thought Trump was doing all these great things for jobs?
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According to whom?
 
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Lifer
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fskimospy said:
Why would we compare a year in the middle of a worldwide financial crisis to a year that was not? That makes no sense.

It’s a simple question that I am confident you will desperately avoid answering. Why was job growth so much slower under Trump this year than Obama last year? I thought Trump was doing all these great things for jobs?
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What are the numbers you are citing? Under Obama there wasn't a time where anything was perfect with our economy either, I could cherry pick singular aspects all day. The important thing is to look at the direction of the economy as a whole. And as a whole, things are soaring under Trump.
 
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fskimospy

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SlowSpyder said:
What are the numbers you are citing? Under Obama there wasn't a time where anything was perfect with our economy either, I could cherry pick singular aspects all day. The important thing is to look at the direction of the economy as a whole. And as a whole, things are soaring under Trump.
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Job growth is a pretty important aspect of the economy and it’s significantly slower under Trump than last year under Obama. The direction is downward. Why do you think that is? Remember, Obama was apparently killing jobs and Trump has been engaging in job creating activity according to conservatives. If that’s the case why has he failed to match Obama’s numbers?

I’m always interested to see how extreme partisans rationalize things like this. I have no doubt you’ll find a way!
 
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Lifer
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fskimospy said:
Job growth is a pretty important aspect of the economy and it’s significantly slower under Trump than last year under Obama. The direction is downward. Why do you think that is? Remember, Obama was apparently killing jobs and Trump has been engaging in job creating activity according to conservatives. If that’s the case why has he failed to match Obama’s numbers?

I’m always interested to see how extreme partisans rationalize things like this. I have no doubt you’ll find a way!
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Its the first year, like someone else said, how were things under Obama during his first year for comparison?
 
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fskimospy

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SlowSpyder said:
Its the first year, like someone else said, how were things under Obama during his first year for comparison?
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Ah so you’re going to go the taj route for rationalization where you try and compare this year to a year in the middle of a worldwide economic catastrophe instead of comparing it to last year where worldwide economic conditions were similar.

Good to know!
 
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jmagg

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One problem that I saw under Obama, was that under the ACA, companys were mandated to offer healthcare for workers over 29-30 hours, which effectively reduced full time jobs for the unskilled.
 
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Lifer
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
What was he working with when he entered the office vs what drumpf got walking in the door.
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What does it matter? To Trump what he inheritied may have been full of problems. What is being done here is someone is cherry picking a singular aspect of a much bigger situation and claiming partisan victory. The economy, on the whole, is doing very well. There is room for improvement, just like there was much of such room under Obama too. I admit, Obama inherited a bad situation, but to Trump this may not be a great situation either. Some of his policies have taken hold, but his biggest policy that will have effect on the economy just got passed. Really not at a point we can judge Trump as an economics president yet.

By the way, my 401k is doing great since Trump took office. Is he responsible for that? I don't know... but it sure is nice for me.
 
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Lifer
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jmagg said:
One problem that I saw under Obama, was that under the ACA, companys were mandated to offer healthcare for workers over 29-30 hours, which effectively reduced full time jobs for the unskilled.
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I personally know numerous people that felt like under Obama a two-job life style was their only option.
 
ch33zw1z

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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SlowSpyder said:
What does it matter? To Trump what he inheritied may have been full of problems. What is being done here is someone is cherry picking a singular aspect of a much bigger situation and claiming partisan victory. The economy, on the whole, is doing very well. There is room for improvement, just like there was much of such room under Obama too. I admit, Obama inherited a bad situation, but to Trump this may not be a great situation either. Some of his policies have taken hold, but his biggest policy that will have effect on the economy just got passed. Really not at a point we can judge Trump as an economics president yet.

By the way, my 401k is doing great since Trump took office. Is he responsible for that? I don't know... but it sure is nice for me.
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wtf are you smoking, you gotta pass that...
 
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fskimospy

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ch33zw1z said:
wtf are you smoking, you gotta pass that...
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What’s funny is that they keep citing the stock market as a sign of Trump’s success despite US stocks performing similarly to stocks around the world.

I mean that they are performing well is great and all but there’s no indication that the US is special in any way.
 
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SlowSpyder

Lifer
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ch33zw1z said:
wtf are you smoking, you gotta pass that...
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Any partisan can hone in on any single area of a much bigger picture that is not performing well and pretend that equals failure. There are lots of "important aspects" of the economy. Right now one would have to live in an alternate reality to suggest, on the whole, our economy isn't doing well currently.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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im more of a slow n steady kinda guy, a sudden surge immediately following such an event like a presidential election doesnt exactly inspire confidence or comfort for my little guy status.
 
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Lifer
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fskimospy said:
What’s funny is that they keep citing the stock market as a sign of Trump’s success despite US stocks performing similarly to stocks around the world.

I mean that they are performing well is great and all but there’s no indication that the US is special in any way.
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I'd think if unemployment was high and job growth was poor this would be more of an issue.
 
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Lifer
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ch33zw1z said:
im more of a slow n steady kinda guy, a sudden surge immediately following such an event like a presidential election doesnt exactly inspire confidence or comfort for my little guy status.
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I hear consumer confidence is higher now than in nearly two decades.
 
ch33zw1z

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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yea, back to where we were before the U.S. tax payers got screwed again. you taking notes?
 
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fskimospy

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SlowSpyder said:
I'd think if unemployment was high and job growth was poor this would be more of an issue.
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Conservatives have been saying for years that unemployment is much higher than the government says due to a low workforce participation rate, so according to them unemployment is quite high. Did that change?
 
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Lifer
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fskimospy said:
Conservatives have been saying for years that unemployment is much higher than the government says due to a low workforce participation rate, so according to them unemployment is quite high. Did that change?
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I didn't buy it when the conservatives said it either. I thought the numbers were always real under Obama. Unfortunately so were the wage growth numbers. I think he always had the unemployment numbers, but service industry jobs and other low wage work isn't ideal. Eight years ago it would have been the conservatives that hated me on this board, but as it is today, YOU are the new conservatives.
 
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