Originally posted by: bjc112
Originally posted by: StattlichPassat
Come on now red, Worship?
Just ignore the moron- typical twit behavior. I'm surprised he's not banned, and even more surprised at the mods that be who granted him Elite status.
He's lowered the entire group's reputation tenfold and to the point that I no longer admire the position. If he can get in, then Elite doesn't mean jack schmidt.
Red Dawn,
Straw Man (Fallacy Of Extension):
attacking an exaggerated or caricatured version of your opponent's position.
For example, the claim that "evolution means a dog giving birth to a cat."
Another example: "Senator Jones says that we should not fund the attack submarine program. I disagree entirely. I can't understand why he wants to leave us defenseless like that."
On the Internet, it is common to exaggerate the opponent's position so that a comparison can be made between the opponent and Hitler.
Straw Man (Fallacy Of Extension):
attacking an exaggerated or caricatured version of your opponent's position.
For example, the claim that "evolution means a dog giving birth to a cat."
Another example: "Senator Jones says that we should not fund the attack submarine program. I disagree entirely. I can't understand why he wants to leave us defenseless like that."
On the Internet, it is common to exaggerate the opponent's position so that a comparison can be made between the opponent and Hitler.
I'm a Christian, but I think Bush's is a show for conservatism. Looking at how his/his brother's kids were raised, and what he's done in the past, in particular some borederline racist acts, and I wouldn't say he's much of a Christian role model.
Generally speaking, I wouldn't mind some Christian morals instilled in the presidency; though if confronted about why it shouldn't be muslim morals instead, I'd be forced to backtrack and support the separation of church and state...
Generally speaking, I wouldn't mind some Christian morals instilled in the presidency; though if confronted about why it shouldn't be muslim morals instead, I'd be forced to backtrack and support the separation of church and state...
Which example is that Herr Red?
See, I can add titles in front of your name too. Does it make me look as smart as you? I hope not.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
All one has to do is read your post Comrade etech
Which post would that be Chairman Red?
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I'll let anyone who really cares just read your posts and decide for themselves. If I'm wrong then so be it but I'm sure I'm not... Brother etechOriginally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
All one has to do is read your post Comrade etech
Which post would that be Chairman Red?
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I'll let anyone who really cares just read your posts and decide for themselves. If I'm wrong then so be it but I'm sure I'm not... Brother etechOriginally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
All one has to do is read your post Comrade etech
Which post would that be Chairman Red?
That's fine Belgium Red.
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You can call me Panama Red, all my friends do and even though I don't always agree with you I still consider you one of the few friends I have here.Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I'll let anyone who really cares just read your posts and decide for themselves. If I'm wrong then so be it but I'm sure I'm not... Brother etechOriginally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
All one has to do is read your post Comrade etech
Which post would that be Chairman Red?
That's fine Belgium Red.
Ahhh, you're just saying that because I don't put up with any crap.
Actually, I'm glad you're around here also.
Now let's not get mushy and no, I'm not going to hug you.
My view on religion and politicians is keep them separate. I do not mind Bush's order regarding faith-based organizations because he isn't picking one, though the agnostics and athiests have a legit beef with it. I think it's best to keep it as non-denominational as possible, ie: saying "everyone pray to their God and have faith in America" instead of "Jesus Christ died for our sins". America accepts you regardless of your religion (or lack thereof) by the Constitution, and so should the politicians who uphold it.
Belief in a deity is not a required to be a good, ethical, moral, or even spiritual human being. Bush Jr. may be a nice guy, and he may even have what he believes are honorable intentions, but I think he's an intellectual lightweight who is easily lead by a bunch of not so nice people on his staff with agendas that are less than noble, including his political guru, Carl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz and others.
Probably the best example of why religion should be kept out of government is Attorney General John Ashcroft, a man who is sworn to uphold the Constitution. He'll do it, too, as long as it doesn't interfere with his personal religious agenda.
1. The U.S. Government is currently holding U.S. citizens for unspecified charges without access to legal council.
2. When Oregon passed a "Death with Dignity" statute allowing physician assisted suicide, he brought the full weight of the Justice Department down on them. Forget about the fact that licensing physicians is the business of each state.
3. He did the same thing with California's medical marijuana law.
His motto is Praise the lord, and shred the Constitution. Screw that putz and anything his brand of Christianity stands for. :|
Probably the best example of why religion should be kept out of government is Attorney General John Ashcroft, a man who is sworn to uphold the Constitution. He'll do it, too, as long as it doesn't interfere with his personal religious agenda.
1. The U.S. Government is currently holding U.S. citizens for unspecified charges without access to legal council.
2. When Oregon passed a "Death with Dignity" statute allowing physician assisted suicide, he brought the full weight of the Justice Department down on them. Forget about the fact that licensing physicians is the business of each state.
3. He did the same thing with California's medical marijuana law.
His motto is Praise the lord, and shred the Constitution. Screw that putz and anything his brand of Christianity stands for. :|
That's basically all he ever shows in public...
Just hope that god bless's the nation, and have some faith for cryin out loud!
I see absolutely Nothing wrong with that...
It certainly seems clear that the fact of Bush's aledged Christianity turns some people on and others off. Hayabusarider made a good point empahsizing that it's not his religion he questions, but his judgment. One could imagine a non believer with the job being pretty scary too. It's pretty hard to come to a conclusion based on some rational yardstick as to whether Bush's Christianity is something to logically be concerned about, then, or not. I think it all comes down to a matter of personal judgment. Have you seen this type before, does he hit a profile and what has your experience with that profile been. I guess, in part, how you feel about Christianity weighs in on the matter. That makes it all the tougher for me.
I see Christianity as one of the real paths to God, not that I see God like Christians do. So for me, a real Christian, somebody whose essential being has been overturned by an experience of Grace, the deep feeling that one has found forgiveness, a revolution of mind that produces a profound sinse of love for life and for the world, is to me an experience worth dying for, but one that a person can never take by force. It is grace, a gift and the people i've known whom I thought have had it are the people in this world I've loved the most. I would trust my life to a real Christian.
There is, however, another much more common kind of Christian, one who thinks his is the only religion, that he knows the truth and is saved, that he acts out of the will of God, but does not radiate that same inner pease and love of life. Such a person I would call a religious fanatic, a believer who clings to a doctrine and uses it as a defense against experiencing profound feelings of self hate. Such a person has not been saved, has not undergone the inner transformation, the surrender of the self to something higher. Such a Christian stands in constant terror of an inner force, a feeling of the presence of evil all around him. Soch a person posessses an irrational mind driven by a kind of psychotic fear. Such a mind is like an Inquisitioner.
What concerns me then, about the Christian faith is the all to frequent, in my opinion, dwelling on the next world rather than this. What happens here in this life is of little relevence since we will live an eternity in heaven. It's OK if the world goes up in nuclear fire because God is on our side. And besides the end is comming, we're just helping to achieve what is the will of God anyway.
The end of the world already happened. Armaggedon hapens to every child. The fear of the end is the result of the fact that we are already dead, sprirtually dead.
So when I look at Bush, I have to ask myself, who do I see? Is this a man filled with inner light, or an empty shell on parade or something part way in between. It's hard to say, because it's hard to know how much of what we see is scripted and how much is real. One thing for sure. I don't see him as a uniter at all. I see him as very sure it's his way or the highway. It's very concerning.
I see Christianity as one of the real paths to God, not that I see God like Christians do. So for me, a real Christian, somebody whose essential being has been overturned by an experience of Grace, the deep feeling that one has found forgiveness, a revolution of mind that produces a profound sinse of love for life and for the world, is to me an experience worth dying for, but one that a person can never take by force. It is grace, a gift and the people i've known whom I thought have had it are the people in this world I've loved the most. I would trust my life to a real Christian.
There is, however, another much more common kind of Christian, one who thinks his is the only religion, that he knows the truth and is saved, that he acts out of the will of God, but does not radiate that same inner pease and love of life. Such a person I would call a religious fanatic, a believer who clings to a doctrine and uses it as a defense against experiencing profound feelings of self hate. Such a person has not been saved, has not undergone the inner transformation, the surrender of the self to something higher. Such a Christian stands in constant terror of an inner force, a feeling of the presence of evil all around him. Soch a person posessses an irrational mind driven by a kind of psychotic fear. Such a mind is like an Inquisitioner.
What concerns me then, about the Christian faith is the all to frequent, in my opinion, dwelling on the next world rather than this. What happens here in this life is of little relevence since we will live an eternity in heaven. It's OK if the world goes up in nuclear fire because God is on our side. And besides the end is comming, we're just helping to achieve what is the will of God anyway.
The end of the world already happened. Armaggedon hapens to every child. The fear of the end is the result of the fact that we are already dead, sprirtually dead.
So when I look at Bush, I have to ask myself, who do I see? Is this a man filled with inner light, or an empty shell on parade or something part way in between. It's hard to say, because it's hard to know how much of what we see is scripted and how much is real. One thing for sure. I don't see him as a uniter at all. I see him as very sure it's his way or the highway. It's very concerning.
Why should God bless America? Does our country exemplify the ethos of caring for our enemies more than we care for ourselves? Is the guiding principle of American life to help one another but to focus our efforts on aiding the most needy?
If God is in the mood, she should bless those who are most in need not the ones always asking for something.
If God is in the mood, she should bless those who are most in need not the ones always asking for something.
Although a nice article on bush is good, I'd prefer no article on bush...hehe Sorry had to say it!
you are the sum of your past.
its not like he did this when he was 10 he did this when he was in his 20's..
he even past this on to his daughters.
i surprised that he even has engough brain cells to breath
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