LOL...
But the point is, Bush does not throw his beliefs in peoples faces... Just because he is a god fairing man does not mean he flaunts it everywhere..
*sigh* Why did I know that some Christians would read too much into my post?
Did I say that Bush was a fanatic? No.
Did I say that Christianity alone among the major religions includes fanatics in its ranks? No.
Did I say that Christian fanatics were attacking Muslims? No.
Did I say that Muslim fanatics were not attacking America? No.
Did I say that Muslims were correct in labelling Bush a fanatic? No.
All I am saying here is that unnecessarily pissing off foreign populations is probably a bad idea, regardless of whether the offended parties are justified in their views. That goes for any president and any potential source of friction, be it religious or secular. If there was some benefit to America's interests to be gained by invoking the Almighty every 5 seconds then so be it, but AFAICT only negative results are forthcoming.
The only thing that gets me is, why should i give $hit if the muslims are mad because our President believes in god...
I think that's obvious.
Do you think the President's role is to run around pissing the rest of the world off?? If an action creates only negative consequences and zero positive side-effects then I see no reason to do it. It's just plain common sense.
I thought my previous posts were straightforward enough, but maybe clarification is needed. Here it is in a nutshell: It's not belief in God that is the problem here, it's the union (real or apparent...perception is as good as reality if they produce identical consequences) of God and State.
And now I'll get the hell out of this religion thread while the getting's good.
I've said my piece...I have no desire to stay and lobby for others to adopt it.We all have sources that shape our principles and ethics. If Bush is a Christian so be it. I don't believe that elevates him to a level above any non-Christian nor do I think it necessarily adversely affects his judgement. I do hope he's not hearing voices in his head, though. This part was interesting:
Poor Barbara.
It depends on whether they knock on your door or fly airplanes into skyscrapers. Yes, I would say there is a difference.
When are people going to get it into their thick skulls that it doesn't matter what religion the president is, or whether he practices it devoutly?? What matters is that Bush uses religion to affect policy, and wedging religion into every damn crevice of his speeches that he can.
The problem with Bush's faith is that it is in himself. He feels he can do no wrong because it is his divine right to be president, and thus everything he does is the will of God. He needs no justification other than that for anything he does, and anyone who dares to criticize him or any of his actions is criticizing God's plan. As bad as this is, it's worse when you surround yourself with people who feel the same way, listen only to them and dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as a heretic.
According to democrats what he does in his "private life" doesn't matter as long as he does his job. Or maybe that only works if the President is a Dem.
I think its great there is finally someone in the White House with morals.
I think its great there is finally someone in the White House with morals.
Damn judicious statement. I'm often bemused at the un-Christ-like behavior of many professed Christians. I watched a Sun AM televangelist last weekend put caveats all over the New Testament in order to justify his (and his audiences') support for armed conflict initiated by the US. Curiously, today's sermon echoed his previous exhortations to support Bush and his justified-by-Christ road to war.
I'm glad Bush accepted Christ as his personal savior and cleaned up his life. But the expectations of Christian living do not correlate with accumulation of wealth or waging pre-emptive wars . . . at best you could claim Jesus was silent on these issues . . . you would be wrong but at least it would be closer to the truth than saying Jesus would endorse certain policies.
Prayer is private regarless of if its in from of the whole damn country. At least he's not a damn coward to pray in front of people, in these days that takes some guts.
I said morals in his private life, while they may effect his public life/opinions, Bush the citizen and Bush the President don't have to be one in the same. And btw, morals don't have much to do with foreign relations and environmental policies.
Last time I checked we haven't had an athiest President which means every President has had a religious affiliation. And everyone makes decissions every day based on personal beliefs (including but not limited to religion). Bush wears on his sleeve what many people keep private. What's wrong w/that?
Lethal
Lethal
Try reading the New Testament . . . in case you are a slow wit buy a version that color codes Christ's words. You will find that he addresses the issue of "praying in front of people" . . . but he doesn't call it bravery. I don't believe anyone is saying Bush should not be proud of his religion . . . granted, hubris is a sin.
Morals should be your guiding principles for interacting with fellow human beings. You don't get a pass on morals b/c you hold public office. Grandfathering sulfur-spewing coal-fired power plants from environmental regs has a clear effect on the health of people in the US and Canada. When Bush signs off on such actions he's being immoral. Barring Iraq from importing equipment/materials necessary for water purification (as well as chemical/biological weapon development) is an immoral act. Bush can claim he's serving the greater good but that's not the same as actually serving the greater good.
The US (under Clinton and Bush) has opposed land mine treaties. No one argues against the facts . . . landmines kill and maim civilians at a multiple to military casualities . . . we just reserve the right to use them for our military security (DMZ being a prime example).
It's difficult to find a reputable source supporting the death penalty as a deterrent to crime. Life imprisonment without opportunity for parole is equally effective at ending a criminal's life of public mayhem. Bush might know the facts. If he does he continues to support the death penalty on moral grounds only. Hence at least one of his guiding principles must be . . . the answer to an individual moral wrong is for the state to commit a moral wrong.
Czar, has anyone ever told you that you are an idiot? They should have.
I said bin Laden, I did not say Muslems.
I said bin Laden, I did not say Muslems.
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