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nForce Superstability - nForce downclocks your PC2100 to PC1600 speeds under certain conditions *Updated*

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I'll be damn if I'm gonna try to save $20 by running all over hell trying to find a BB that has any left. And I'm not paying their $5 "order charge" for online orders. That's just stupid.

EDIT: I don't bother with mail-in rebates either. I find the best non-rebate price and pay it. Rebates are a pain in the ass.

512MB and 1GB part prices are a bit high, in relation to 256MB parts. They'll come down after the holidays, and as more are produced and sold. Like anything else.
 
pabster: the Mushkin uses Micron chips also from what I understand are the Micron chips on the Crucial boards better than the Micron chips on the Mushkin boards?
 
Since this is nVidia, I'm sure this will be referred to as a "feature" of the chipset. 😀



<< 'll be damn if I'm gonna try to save $20 by running all over hell trying to find a BB that has any left. And I'm not paying their $5 "order charge" for online orders. That's just stupid. >>

Actually, that $5 order charge drops off if you process the order for in-store pickup. Otherwise then they are charging you $6.98 for shipping ... a bit steep but compared to other vendors, esp. on Pricewatch, it's not that terrible. $32 incl. shipping (AR) is still a good price, no?
 
I think the real issue here is not so much capability, as in how much this problem will affect the majority of users, but credibility, as in, when will the next shoe drop? I like a lot of others am looking at this board as a possible ideal solution to my needs (which is more mainstream performance & stability/ease of setup/driver maintenance, with only occasional gaming needs). However, just like cars I am somewhat leery of rushing out to buy "the first model year" of a new design -- let alone a new maker. Finding out that there is such a problem isn't so bad, but finding out that they knew about it EVEN BEFORE ANY BOARDS WERE RELEASED (since it is in the MSI motherboard manual), yet they weren't making any effort to inform their customers of the problem (since the warning to not use the DIMM slot was buried in the manual, without explanation) -- coupled with continued delays from all the other manufacturers (weren't these supposed to be out by September, and here it is, already christmas), makes me wonder -- are there lots of other "features" not yet uncovered? I remember the first Hyundais got lots of favorable press when they came out. Even the Yugo <snort>.

Again, the nForce board appeals to me due partly to the ease of setup/driver maintenance. I wouldn have never thought to try the memory cards in all those different combinations, so it upsets me that, without someone else having exposed this "feature" I might have bought this board & configured it for reduced performance needlessly -- since I would be using two 256mb PC2100 sticks -- just because nVidia didn't want to draw attention to limitations. It's a lot like the Intel pentium FP bug a few years back ... it may not effect very many people, but those it will effect AUGHT TO BE TOLD.
 
What's somewhat interesting about this article, and people's responses to it, is that I've heard rumors of stability issues from Anand and others regarding another DDR chipset when fully populating all of the DIMM slots. Personally, I would rather they trimmed down the number of DIMM slots rather than lower performance mysteriously (this case), or having stability issues (another case). But I would imagine that sales of boards with only two DIMM slots would suffer... I know that, for two motherboards that are completely identical, if I saw a PC133 motherboard with 4 slots (out of spec), I would probably be more inclined to buy it than one with 3 (in spec) if I didn't know anything about the PC133 specification.


<< I'm sorry, but if you think that 3x the price of Crucial's own 256MB PC2100 sticks & 6.5x Best Buy's price for 256MB PC2100 (same modules as Crucial) is worth paying for, then you must be made out of money. >>

If you need a lot of memory, and don't want to go registered then 256MB isn't enough. For those who need 2GB of RAM, the fact that 512MB of RAM is more expensive than two 256MB doesn't matter because there aren't that many slots to get the total memory up where it needs to be for your application. The only other solution is to switch to registered memory and motherboards and that adds a lot more money to the picture.
 


<< pabster: the Mushkin uses Micron chips also from what I understand are the Micron chips on the Crucial boards better than the Micron chips on the Mushkin boards? >>



No, they are the same, both from Micron
 


<< What's somewhat interesting about this article, and people's responses to it, is that I've heard rumors of stability issues from Anand and others regarding another DDR chipset when fully populating all of the DIMM slots. Personally, I would rather they trimmed down the number of DIMM slots rather than lower performance mysteriously (this case), or having stability issues (another case). But I would imagine that sales of boards with only two DIMM slots would suffer... I know that, for two motherboards that are completely identical, if I saw a PC133 motherboard with 4 slots (out of spec), I would probably be more inclined to buy it than one with 3 (in spec) if I didn't know anything about the PC133 specification. >>


Well you and I know that THAT particular chipset has issues anyway 😉


<< If you need a lot of memory, and don't want to go registered then 256MB isn't enough. For those who need 2GB of RAM, the fact that 512MB of RAM is more expensive than two 256MB doesn't matter because there aren't that many slots to get the total memory up where it needs to be for your application. The only other solution is to switch to registered memory and motherboards and that adds a lot more money to the picture. >>


If someone needed A LOT of memory, they probably wouldn't be using an nForce anyway. It's more of an enthusiast board then some server wannabe.

That being said, for the audience that nForce is targeted at, the high price of 512MB DIMMs would be a turnoff to A LOT of people. And most users would be content with intalling 3x256MB PC2100 b/c of the relative low prices. Face it, when running normaly operations in Windows XP, 768MB is plenty 😉 But this "bug" makes running those 3 DIMMs at full spec an impossibility:|
 
the 512 meg sticks.... generic were 60 dollars before the prices went up.. it's now hangin around 110...

i been watchin... not that I'd buy generic.. but that's what i saw when i visit pricewatch everyday
 


<< Well you pay the $$$ then, but "I" won't WASTE my money.
Hell, Crucial is selling their 256MB PC2100 sticks for $53. >>



Yes, but they also have higher yields on the 128 MBit chips than on the 256 MBit chips. *Much* higher yields.
And some people are paying this "high" price, otherwise the price would be down.
 


<<

<< Well you pay the $$$ then, but "I" won't WASTE my money.
Hell, Crucial is selling their 256MB PC2100 sticks for $53. >>



Yes, but they also have higher yields on the 128 MBit chips than on the 256 MBit chips. *Much* higher yields.
And some people are paying this "high" price, otherwise the price would be down. >>


Like I said, "I" will not pay the high prices...I've got more sense than that considering what I use my computer for. If you actually NEED the 512MB chips for some particular application, then by all means go ahead and buy them. But I can't see many Anandtech users forking over the $$$ for them.
 


<< But I can't see many Anandtech users forking over the $$$ for them. >>



I'd doubt that myself, and keep patting my shoulder for buying 3x 256 MB at the right time (i.e. around $30). I don't even use all of them right now.

Edit: Concerning the original contents of the thread, what surprises me most is that it's not the use of THREE modules that causes problems, but the use of slot TWO... There seems to be a major problem with that.
 
true, i'm waiting for 512 meg sticks to go down in price before i smoke my money away!

I got only 1 stick me board now... paid 60 dollars for it when prices were low.. ah the good ole day's.... no fear .. they will drop in prices once again.


when they do drop in price.. and say crucial's 512 meg stick of ddr ram 333 or whatever it would be.. It would wiser to purchase the bigger chip if ya want a big stick of ram🙂

I got 1 512 stick... and 2 128 sticks... I sure like the stick of 512 though!~
 
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