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nForce Superstability - nForce downclocks your PC2100 to PC1600 speeds under certain conditions *Updated*

Interesting...but not surprising really. They seem to be encountering similar issues to what the AMD761 went through. I wonder how Via has avoided this issue?
 


<< Where`s Pabster I`m sure he will blame VIA 😉. >>


Haha, ain't that the truth 😉

I don't like this one bit. Superstability just sounds like a "let's just make up something real quick to cover our asses." They should have been upfront with this information in the VERY beginning.
 
Since this is nVidia's first forray into the chipset manufacturing buisness, along with it being the first Dual channel DDR RAM chipset. I don't really blame them.

If I ever get an nforce motherboard I doubt I'd use all three DIMMs (heck, I don't even use two as it is), so it doesn't seem like a major problem to me.

Here's a quote:

<< This problem hasn't cropped up in any other chipsets on the market because no other company has a dual-channel DDR design on the market. Managing dual DDR channels at high clock speeds, while maintaining full memory compatability has proven to be quite a task. We've seen other problems with DIMM configurations and high speed RAM on products including Intel's i820 (remember the 3-RIMM bug?). nVidia tells me that Superstability mode was put into place to ensure flawless compatability with all sorts of DDR, not just their approved modules. >>

 
">> I don't like this one bit. Superstability just sounds like a "let's just make up something real quick to cover our asses." They should have been upfront with this information in the VERY beginning."

Yup if they knew there was an issue then they should have been up-front with it. I think that's the best model for consumer relations.

">> Since this is nVidia's first forray into the chipset manufacturing buisness, along with it being the first Dual channel DDR RAM chipset. I don't really blame them.
If I ever get an nforce motherboard I doubt I'd use all three DIMMs (heck, I don't even use two as it is), so it doesn't seem like a major problem to me."

Ya I don't think this will be a problem for most users and there are a number of ways around it for the few, and also possible future fixes as well.

I know I'd be perfectly happy putting 2x256 or 2x512s in and not using the second slot of the second bank.

Thorin
 


<< Since this is nVidia's first forray into the chipset manufacturing buisness, along with it being the first Dual channel DDR RAM chipset. I don't really blame them.

If I ever get an nforce motherboard I doubt I'd use all three DIMMs (heck, I don't even use two as it is), so it doesn't seem like a major problem to me. >>


I'm using three DIMM slots on my Shuttle AK31 Rev 3.1 b/c I got memory when it was dirt cheap.

I would be ROYALLY pissed if I bought an MSI nForce motherboard and JUST NOW FOUND out that a chipset limitation only lets the board run memory at PC1600 speeds when "topped up" (or with memory in certain configurations). It's inexcusable IMHO that they didn't say anything earlier.

Also, 512MB PC2100 DIMM are still VERY expensive ($100 for the Generic stuff). I won't touch 512MB PC2100 DIMMs until Crucial offers them.
 
This could explain the large variation in nForce benchmarks thus far.
Sure sounds like a glitch to me but the work around is easy so I would still buy an nForce board but I see your point about already having DDR memory.
Where can I get single sided DDR?

Mac
 


<< This could explain the large variation in nForce benchmarks thus far.
Sure sounds like a glitch to me but the work around is easy so I would still buy an nForce board but I see your point about already having DDR memory.
Where can I get single sided DDR?

Mac >>


I dunno, from the article it looks like it is going the way of the dodo b/c DS sticks have a higher profit margin
 

didnt read the article entirely yet (since i am not interested in nforce anymore...busy with my new dragon+ now 🙂

But almost two weeks ago i already pointed out some strange things i encountered while reading the MSI nforce manual, where they say NOT to populate DIMM3 with a 2 bank dimm...which totally stunned me since almost ALL dimms are two bank/two sided. (At least the 256mb sticks from crucial which are the most common).

I couldnt figure out sense in their description how to populate dimm banks on the nforce and found it odd and confusing....now it turns out there is really something screwy going on...and "downgrading" to PC1600 is really a good joke 🙂


 
Hmmmmm, very interesting. You know, I think the only place where nVidia is at fault in not informing the public about it. Despite this issue at that you can't have 3 ds sticks in and still run at PC2100, I can't ignore that despite this, nVidia has done an incredible job with nForce. They have designed a solid chipset that is the first ever to use Dual Channel DDR, have GF2 MX video, Ethernet, and possibly the best audio card ever created. While this is disappointing, still nVidia has accomplished a lot with nForce. And truthfully, I think that they had to put Superstability in because think about this. nVidia knows very well that nForce is gonna end up in more OEM PC's than us Enthusiast's rig's, and what happens if some person goes out and buys some RAM for his nForce PC, now he knows that he is allready using 2 slots but he says, "Well 256Megs is so cheap, why not get it and use that last slot?" well if Superstability isn't implemented, he has at best a very unstable system or one that may not even boot and he won't have a clue what's going on. The error that nVidia made is:

1. Not informing us about this issue openly.
2. Forcing it, they could've from the start put it as a BIOS option but by defaulting to Enabled.

There should be BIOS updates that will at least let it be disabled, and this should be corrected in the next nForce. So, Superstability was necessary, and while nVidia could've handled it a bit better, still it was a necessary thing.
 
"Superstability" eh. That's pretty funny Nvidia, good joke. 😉

Well, luckily for Nvidia, this won't effect their OEM attempts one bit, but this will likely effect the enthusiasts quite a bit. Although, the only enthusiasts that should be worried are the ones that use 3 DIMM slots. I only use two, effectively 384 MB. But seriously, there's very few people here that really need more than 512MB of RAM, which the nForce can handle with 2 DIMM slots (2x256MB). Anyone who really needs more than 512MB should be disappointed.
 


<< Anyone who really needs more than 512MB should be disappointed. >>

Thats me! 🙁
Anyway.... I think that this solidifies my upgrade opinion... going broke with a TigerMP. Oh well.
 


<< "Superstability" eh. That's pretty funny Nvidia, good joke. 😉

Well, luckily for Nvidia, this won't effect their OEM attempts one bit, but this will likely effect the enthusiasts quite a bit. Although, the only enthusiasts that should be worried are the ones that use 3 DIMM slots. I only use two, effectively 384 MB. But seriously, there's very few people here that really need more than 512MB of RAM, which the nForce can handle with 2 DIMM slots (2x256MB). Anyone who really needs more than 512MB should be disappointed. >>


Well, with Windows XP, more is better 😉 That's why I use 768MB🙂 And also b/c I got them for $27 a piece 🙂
 
" won't touch 512MB PC2100 DIMMs until Crucial offers them. "

the Mushkin ones are nice, I have a couple and they are really doing well.


I really like this MSI nforce board.
 


<< " won't touch 512MB PC2100 DIMMs until Crucial offers them. "

the Mushkin ones are nice, I have a couple and they are really doing well.


I really like this MSI nforce board. >>


Well, Crucial now has them, but they are like $153 for 512MB!!!!:Q:Q HELL NO!!!!!!!!

And the cheapest generic is $100. HELL NO!!!!!!:|
 
Some time ago I bought 2 - 256MB 2100 Crucial RAM for my future NForce Board. 512 RAM is more than adequate for my needs. I am now getting confused by reading all this NEW stuff - - - I thought I read that to take advantage of this dual bank technology - you put one stick of RAM in slot 1 and skip Slot 2 and put another stick in Slot 3 - then it will be able to work at it's MAX potential. Is this still true OR WHAT?
Please Advise???

TKS and Merry CHRISTmas!
 
Guys, get on with times 🙂. Crucial does offer 512 MB PC2100 RAM. Don't take my word for it tho, visit their site 🙂.
 


<< Guys, get on with times 🙂. Crucial does offer 512 MB PC2100 RAM. Don't take my word for it tho, visit their site 🙂. >>


Umm, dude, look three posts above. WE KNOW 😉
 
Quit gripin' about Crucial's prices for the 512MB PC2100 modules. They're new, and it's the holiday season. Demand is up. Supply is down a bit. Logically, prices are a bit higher. I'll gladly spend the extra money over Mushkin or, worse, generic modules.
 


<< Quit gripin' about Crucial's prices for the 512MB PC2100 modules. They're new, and it's the holiday season. Demand is up. Supply is down a bit. Logically, prices are a bit higher. I'll gladly spend the extra money over Mushkin or, worse, generic modules. >>


I'm sorry, but if you think that 3x the price of Crucial's own 256MB PC2100 sticks & 6.5x Best Buy's price for 256MB PC2100 (same modules as Crucial) is worth paying for, then you must be made out of money.

Well you pay the $$$ then, but "I" won't WASTE my money.

Hell, Crucial is selling their 256MB PC2100 sticks for $53. Best Buy is selling them for $34.99 + $10 MIR. You waste your money, I'll conserve mine 🙂

 
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