Originally posted by: Deeko
Panthers:
Had a rough season last year with all the injuries. Sure Mushin is gone, but Steve Smith is back. If they can stay healthy, they should win their division. 11-5, NFC south champs
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: mrchan
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
I think the Vikings will royally suck this year. Culpepper no longer has Moss. Williamson is a rookie..can't bank on him. Also, Mike Tice is still your coach. I can honestly say he is probably the worst coach in the NFL. He has no control over his players.
They won games without Moss last year. The rest of the offense is still good, Moss wasn't their only receiver, and Culpepper is still a great QB. WR's have the easiest time transitioning to the NFL of any player so Williamson could feasibly have a good year, especially with such a solid team around him. Plus you can't deny how much better their defense will be.
WRs have the easiest transition? No way. For every Roy Williams there are a dozen Reggie Williams. WRs have the toughest transition besides QBs and it usually takes them 3 years to produce up to their potential.
Yes, but the top of draft WR's usually are the ones who contribute early. See Boldin, Calico, Branch, Williams etc...
Originally posted by: mrchan
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: mrchan
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
I think the Vikings will royally suck this year. Culpepper no longer has Moss. Williamson is a rookie..can't bank on him. Also, Mike Tice is still your coach. I can honestly say he is probably the worst coach in the NFL. He has no control over his players.
They won games without Moss last year. The rest of the offense is still good, Moss wasn't their only receiver, and Culpepper is still a great QB. WR's have the easiest time transitioning to the NFL of any player so Williamson could feasibly have a good year, especially with such a solid team around him. Plus you can't deny how much better their defense will be.
WRs have the easiest transition? No way. For every Roy Williams there are a dozen Reggie Williams. WRs have the toughest transition besides QBs and it usually takes them 3 years to produce up to their potential.
Yes, but the top of draft WR's usually are the ones who contribute early. See Boldin, Calico, Branch, Williams etc...
Boldin was a 2nd round pick, their first rounder was Bryant Johnson, who has yet to prove his worth.
Deion Branch, 2nd rounder - 489 yards and 2 TDs his first year. Hardly a blip on the radar.
Calico - 2nd round pick - 297 yards, 4 TDs. yawn.
Roy Williams had a great year, but again, he is the exception, not the rule.
WRs taken in the first round:
2004: Fitz, Roy Williams, Reggie Williams, Lee Evans, Micheal Clayton, Micheal Jenkins, Rasahun Woods. This was an exception year with so many rookies (Roy, Lee Evans and Clayton) all playing really well. Still leaves Fitz, Reggie, Jenkins and Rashaun Woods, over half the first round picks, that have yet to make an impact worth of 1st round status.
2003: Charles Rogers, Andre Johnson, Bryant Johnson. Rogers got injured. B Johnson did nothing. Andre Johnson started emerging late. Still, just 1 of 3.
2002: Stallworth, Lelie, Walker. None but Walker have made an impact, and that took his 3rd season to do it.
I'm not saying WRs can't produce in their rookie year, but it is the exception, not the rule.
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: mrchan
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: mrchan
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
I think the Vikings will royally suck this year. Culpepper no longer has Moss. Williamson is a rookie..can't bank on him. Also, Mike Tice is still your coach. I can honestly say he is probably the worst coach in the NFL. He has no control over his players.
They won games without Moss last year. The rest of the offense is still good, Moss wasn't their only receiver, and Culpepper is still a great QB. WR's have the easiest time transitioning to the NFL of any player so Williamson could feasibly have a good year, especially with such a solid team around him. Plus you can't deny how much better their defense will be.
WRs have the easiest transition? No way. For every Roy Williams there are a dozen Reggie Williams. WRs have the toughest transition besides QBs and it usually takes them 3 years to produce up to their potential.
Yes, but the top of draft WR's usually are the ones who contribute early. See Boldin, Calico, Branch, Williams etc...
Boldin was a 2nd round pick, their first rounder was Bryant Johnson, who has yet to prove his worth.
Deion Branch, 2nd rounder - 489 yards and 2 TDs his first year. Hardly a blip on the radar.
Calico - 2nd round pick - 297 yards, 4 TDs. yawn.
Roy Williams had a great year, but again, he is the exception, not the rule.
WRs taken in the first round:
2004: Fitz, Roy Williams, Reggie Williams, Lee Evans, Micheal Clayton, Micheal Jenkins, Rasahun Woods. This was an exception year with so many rookies (Roy, Lee Evans and Clayton) all playing really well. Still leaves Fitz, Reggie, Jenkins and Rashaun Woods, over half the first round picks, that have yet to make an impact worth of 1st round status.
2003: Charles Rogers, Andre Johnson, Bryant Johnson. Rogers got injured. B Johnson did nothing. Andre Johnson started emerging late. Still, just 1 of 3.
2002: Stallworth, Lelie, Walker. None but Walker have made an impact, and that took his 3rd season to do it.
I'm not saying WRs can't produce in their rookie year, but it is the exception, not the rule.
Colbert did quite well in his first year here in Charlotte.
Originally posted by: Deeko
Are you kidding me? That's a great ratio. How many QB's takin in the first round PRODUCE in their first years? Offensive linemen? CB's? Face it, WR's have an easier transition than other positions.
However, I think you're wrong about Charles Rogers, he's definitely a good player and DID show it his rookie year before he got hurt. And you keep ignoring second rounders, why? The fact that a guy like Boldin makes an impact his first year only furthers my point.
Originally posted by: cRazYdood
I'm worried about my Packers....
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
The Patriots for the most part UPGRADED this season (if that's even possible). How can anyone not put them as the Favorites again?
Originally posted by: mrchan
5 TDs is an impact player? Are you kidding? This is what I get for thinking I could get a good football discussion going on here. Man up and admit it? The stats don't lie.