Did Trent Dilfer win 3? Did Brad Johnson win 3? Did either of them earn Super Bowl MVP even once? Nope.
Did Trent Dilfer win 3? Did Brad Johnson win 3? Did either of them earn Super Bowl MVP even once? Nope.
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Deeko: flame me if you will. What is your defintion of the best QB in the NFL? Is it the one who makes the most megabucks or the one who wallops the most td, passing yards?
To me it is the one who wins the most superbowl trophies. Why? You play in the nfl for one reason and one good reason only: to win the Superbowl. Having said all that. T. Brady of NE-Pats is today best QB of the game, IMHO. Moreover, this guy has the Einstein brain equivalence of football.
On the official side, yes I agree with you that we all make mistake but the replays were supposed to eliminate that mistake but he, the referee chose to overule it himself. That's why I said early that he must never officiate another nfl game.
Edited: I'm the 49ers and Cowboys fan, btw and they both s^ck big time now.:disgust:
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I don't think you can define it in any one statistical category. I don't think winning superbowls alone makes you good, because in that superbowl, there were at least 30-35 different players on the field, not to mention the trio of head coach, o-coord and d-coord in the NFL. One player does not win a game.
Absolutely right...Brady is good...great even. But the best QB in the game? No...I think there are 3-4 QB's at the top (Brady is one of them) but there is no clear winner at present. If Palmer can come back from injury, and I think he will, I believe he will pull away from the pack and be the NFL's best QB over the next 4-5 years.
The ref'ing in the Steelers-Colts game was criminal...no PI on that bomb to Randle El in the first half?! That was near "poster child" PI. And the 4th quarter interception overturn...will, everyone else said, that ref needs to be demoted...that could've and should've cost the Steelers the game.
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But by the same logic, the QB doesn't compile individual stats, and thus deserve sole credit for them either. It is a team sport, and very difficult to accredit individual stats for most positions IMHO. If that O-line doesn't block for the QB, it'll either be a very long day, or a very short one
Unless you are the rare QB that gets to call most his own plays, you can't take credit for that. A few audibles@the line not withstanding. Then you look@QB stats and even that doesn't tell the whole story i.e. How may RAC yards did the recievers have? Dumping it off for a 3 yarder, then having the back or end rip off a long gain, breaking tackles, looks nice on the QBs' stats but he really didn't anything special the way the stats will make it seem.
How many of those yards and completions came in the 2nd half of games with your team trailing by 2-3 scores with D's playing prevent and giving up the short to intermediate gains in exchange for time off the clock? My point is that you can look@Marino's numbers and say wow! but most of us are more apt to give props to guys like Bradshaw, Montana, Young, Elway, and Brady, guys who didn't just post good stats, or post W's, but carry multiple superbowl rings often won back-to-back.
Marino's record stats will eventually all be eclipsed, a significant number already have, but a superbowl win is something that once your's, is always your's. :light: You can bet your last dollar that Marino would trade away those records that still do stand, for a superbowl ring/win faster than a jackrabbit on a hot date.
Manning may post big numbers, but Wins are the only number most of us judge you by. Just as you can't give Brady all the credit for superbowl wins, you can't give Manning all the credit for his big stats. He said it himself, that he had a rough go because he had protection problems, demonstrating that even individual stats are largely a team effort, as contradictory as that can seem on the surface. So who is the greatest? Whoever you choose to exonerate as such
Who do I think the best QB in the game is now? Brady, he is 10-1 in the post season with 3 Superbowl wins in 4 years=Badass mofo. BTW, I'm a Steelers and Bucs fan, no love for the Pats, but you have to give the devil his due IMO.
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
But by the same logic, the QB doesn't compile individual stats, and thus deserve sole credit for them either. It is a team sport, and very difficult to accredit individual stats for most positions IMHO. If that O-line doesn't block for the QB, it'll either be a very long day, or a very short one
Unless you are the rare QB that gets to call most his own plays, you can't take credit for that. A few audibles@the line not withstanding. Then you look@QB stats and even that doesn't tell the whole story i.e. How may RAC yards did the recievers have? Dumping it off for a 3 yarder, then having the back or end rip off a long gain, breaking tackles, looks nice on the QBs' stats but he really didn't anything special the way the stats will make it seem.
How many of those yards and completions came in the 2nd half of games with your team trailing by 2-3 scores with D's playing prevent and giving up the short to intermediate gains in exchange for time off the clock? My point is that you can look@Marino's numbers and say wow! but most of us are more apt to give props to guys like Bradshaw, Montana, Young, Elway, and Brady, guys who didn't just post good stats, or post W's, but carry multiple superbowl rings often won back-to-back.
Marino's record stats will eventually all be eclipsed, a significant number already have, but a superbowl win is something that once your's, is always your's. :light: You can bet your last dollar that Marino would trade away those records that still do stand, for a superbowl ring/win faster than a jackrabbit on a hot date.
Manning may post big numbers, but Wins are the only number most of us judge you by. Just as you can't give Brady all the credit for superbowl wins, you can't give Manning all the credit for his big stats. He said it himself, that he had a rough go because he had protection problems, demonstrating that even individual stats are largely a team effort, as contradictory as that can seem on the surface. So who is the greatest? Whoever you choose to exonerate as such
BTW, I'm a Steelers and Bucs fan, no love for the Pats, but you have to give the devil his due IMO.
Wow, i dont think it could have been said any better.
Props go off to you for that post.
:beer:
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus
WOW...............
your opinion has no meaning anymore.
Here, have a
Umm, McNabb went to four straight championship games, in case you didn't notice, three of those with Todd Pinkston and James Thrash as his primary receivers....I hate the Eagles more than you'd think its possible to hate an NFL team, but he is a great quarterback, I was tempted to put him on the definites with Manning and Palmer.
And hey, Hasselback, I'll admit he's not that great.
Kinda like I'm saying for Brady.
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I don't mind Brady; He's a great QB, and appears to be a nice guy. The thing that I'm tired of are the announcers/commentators that cover the NE games.
Annoucer 1: Brady == Jesus
Annoucer 2: I wish I could have Brady's baby
Annoucer 1: Haha, only after I have one first!
Annoucer 2: Brady == Jesus
Annoucer 1: Brady == Jesus
Annoucer 2: I wish I could have Brady's baby
Annoucer 1: Haha, only after I have one first!
Annoucer 2: Brady == Jesus
Yea, but then again, everything the announcers say makes us listeners retarded.........so i dont even pay attention anyways
(Madden: The goal of the QB is to get the ball into the endzone. If he can do that, then he just got his team 6 points.
.................WOW, thanks madden i didnt know that)
umm... Hasselbeck looks good for now, but not nearly enough of a track record to say anything at all with certainty.
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