NFL AFC Championship Game - Patriots vs Chargers

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Glitchny

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: gingerstewart55
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

You are correct that Rivers will be the most important factor in the game b/c the Pats will be focusing on shutting down LT forcing the Chargers to beat them with Rivers.

However, your logic is flawed b/c LT is River's No. 2 receiver. LT is involved in over 50% of San Diego's offensive plays and TDs.

Half the touchdowns SD scored for 2007 by LT? You need to recheck your facts......

SD scored 49 TD's in 2007.....LT accounted for 18 of them, 15 rushing, 3 receiving. That's a little less than half.

True, he was the #2 receiver......60 catches for 475 yards. But Jackson had more yards with fewer catches than LT and the same number of receiving TD's.....3.

Chambers had more receiving yards than LT.....and more receiving TD's....4.


That doesn't include Gates, with 984 yards receiving and 9 TD's.

While it's true that LT is an important part of the offense, his receiving TD production is not much of a factor, unless you count being tied for 3rd best as "vital".....I'd say Gates, Jackson and Chambers are much more vital to the receiving arena than LT. BTW....LT's catches are typically dumpoffs while the other receivers are the longer threats, witnessed by the average yards per reception....LT managed 7.9 while the others mentioned were 13.1 by Gates, 15.2 by Jackson, and 15.9 by Chambers.


But those averages are very typical for running backs and reception averages......what is really salient is the running back's rushing yards and TD's scored....the true use of the running back. Dumping off passes as a wide running play or as a last resort safety valve pass really doesn't say much for a passing game.


Be that as it may, it still doesn't point out the total touchdown numbers over the year put up by the two teams involved...

SD.....49, broken down into 19 - 22 - 2 - 6 (rush, pass, returns, defense)

NE......75, broken down into 17 - 50 - 2 - 6 (So, two fewer rushing TD's, vastly greater # passing)


Rushing yards over the season.....SD had 2039, NE had 1849....200 fewer, but then again, Maroney, Morris, and Faulk had some games where rushing wasn't used much or at all.

Passing yards.....SD...3005, NE.....4731....about 1700 more passing yards and 28 more passing TD's. Obviously, NE is a pass-oriented team, but Maroney, Morris, and Faulk all managed 4.5 yards per carry (well, Faulk was 4.3)......fairly closely matching LT's average of 4.7. Now, true Maroney had fewer yards carried (835 to LT's 1474), but LT also had 130 more attempts (LT....315, Maroney 180)


To me, whta is really striking is how limited SD's offense really is. In TD's, SD had 2 people score 2 or more rushing TD's, and had 4 people score 2 or more receiving TD's.

NE had 5 players score 2 or more rushing TD's and had 7 players score 2 or more receiving TD's.

I think this is very much more telling a set of stats than almost anything else.

Shut down LT and SD has few others to turn to.....Gates and Chambers mainly.

Shut down Maroney and Moss, which has been done pretty much before (usually Moss over Maroney), and Brady still has 6 others to throw to that have scored TD's already.



Honestly, if NE can give Brady any sort of time in the pocket, it'll be a long day for SD.

Any team that has shutdown Moss has given New England fits. Cromartie will be on him which will totally negate Moss's athleticism and height. Jammer is a pretty good shutdown corner as well, who will probably be on Welker. If Phillips and Merriman are in the backfield, this is going to be a long game for the Pats...

Riiight. That's why the Pats won by 11 and Brady had two incompletions which were both drops. And they could have won by 18 easily but when they got the ball back with 4min left in the game they just ran out the clock. So lets not talk about the Jags giving the Pats "fits". Chargers will suffer the same fate as they did earlier in the year.
 

Nitemare

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Quarterback Tom Brady was the difference in the Patriots? win over the Jaguars. Brady completed 26 of 28 passes for 262 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions and a 141.4 passer rating.

With Brady playing an almost perfect game, they only won by 11

Jaguars Defense
DE Bobby McCray Reggie Hayward Brent Hawkins
DT Rob Meier Grady Jackson
DT John Henderson Derek Landri
DE Paul Spicer Bobby McCray Jeremy Mincey
OLB Clint Ingram Kenny Pettway Shantee Orr
MLB Daryl Smith Mike Peterson
OLB Justin Durant Brian Iwuh
LCB Rashean Mathis Scott Starks Aaron Glenn
RCB Brian Williams Terry Cousin
SS Sammy Knight Chad Nkang
FS Reggie Nelson Jamaal Fudge Lamont Thompson

They have Sammy Knight and Paul Spicer...that's pretty much it..

Chargers Defense
LDE Igor Olshansky Ryon Bingham
NT Jamal Williams Brandon McKinney
RDE Luis Castillo Jacques Cesaire
LOLB Shawne Merriman Marques Harris
LILB Stephen Cooper Brandon Siler Anthony Waters
RILB Matt Wilhelm Tim Dobbins
ROLB Shaun Phillips Carlos Polk
CB Quentin Jammer Cletis Gordon
SS Clinton Hart Eric Weddle
FS Marlon McCree Steve Gregory
CB Drayton Florence Antonio Cromartie P Paul Oliver

they have 30 interceptions and 42 sacks along with better individual players. The Indy line were horses, but got tossed around.

Things have changed alot since the second game...yeah they beat them when they had a new coach and were struggling to find themselves...beat them during a 1-3 stretch.

Now they have Rivers who is actually playing good, Sproles who is incredible fast and Cromartie starting. In addition they turned loose Merriman and Phillips.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Quarterback Tom Brady was the difference in the Patriots? win over the Jaguars. Brady completed 26 of 28 passes for 262 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions and a 141.4 passer rating.

With Brady playing an almost perfect game, they only won by 11

Jaguars Defense
DE Bobby McCray Reggie Hayward Brent Hawkins
DT Rob Meier Grady Jackson
DT John Henderson Derek Landri
DE Paul Spicer Bobby McCray Jeremy Mincey
OLB Clint Ingram Kenny Pettway Shantee Orr
MLB Daryl Smith Mike Peterson
OLB Justin Durant Brian Iwuh
LCB Rashean Mathis Scott Starks Aaron Glenn
RCB Brian Williams Terry Cousin
SS Sammy Knight Chad Nkang
FS Reggie Nelson Jamaal Fudge Lamont Thompson

They have Sammy Knight and Paul Spicer...that's pretty much it..

Chargers Defense
LDE Igor Olshansky Ryon Bingham
NT Jamal Williams Brandon McKinney
RDE Luis Castillo Jacques Cesaire
LOLB Shawne Merriman Marques Harris
LILB Stephen Cooper Brandon Siler Anthony Waters
RILB Matt Wilhelm Tim Dobbins
ROLB Shaun Phillips Carlos Polk
CB Quentin Jammer Cletis Gordon
SS Clinton Hart Eric Weddle
FS Marlon McCree Steve Gregory
CB Drayton Florence Antonio Cromartie P Paul Oliver

they have 30 interceptions and 42 sacks along with better individual players. The Indy line were horses, but got tossed around.

Things have changed alot since the second game...yeah they beat them when they had a new coach and were struggling to find themselves...beat them during a 1-3 stretch.

Now they have Rivers who is actually playing good, Sproles who is incredible fast and Cromartie starting. In addition they turned loose Merriman and Phillips.

You forgot to add that this Chargers Defense gave up over 400 yards total offense and 24 points against the Colts last week.

Unfortunately, Williams injured his ankle, Cromartie injured his knee and Castillo cracked his ribs last week. Then add the knee injuries to LT and Rivers and dislocated toe to Gates.
 

Glitchny

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Quarterback Tom Brady was the difference in the Patriots? win over the Jaguars. Brady completed 26 of 28 passes for 262 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions and a 141.4 passer rating.

With Brady playing an almost perfect game, they only won by 11

Umm it would have been 18 if the pats hadn't run the clock out after they got the ball with 4min left. So lets try not to say it was a close game. If you actually watched it wasnt really that close after the 3rd quarter.

And the Chargers barely (manning choking doesn't = great job by chargers defense) beat the colts. And the Pats are a much better team, and they are completely healthy.

I don't get how you guys they think the chargers have a chance. I didn't know chargers fans were this crazy
 

mooglemania85

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Originally posted by: Glitchny
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Quarterback Tom Brady was the difference in the Patriots? win over the Jaguars. Brady completed 26 of 28 passes for 262 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions and a 141.4 passer rating.

With Brady playing an almost perfect game, they only won by 11

Umm it would have been 18 if the pats hadn't run the clock out after they got the ball with 4min left. So lets try not to say it was a close game. If you actually watched it wasnt really that close after the 3rd quarter.

And the Chargers barely (manning choking doesn't = great job by chargers defense) beat the colts. And the Pats are a much better team, and they are completely healthy.

I don't get how you guys they think the chargers have a chance. I didn't know chargers fans were this crazy

As hilarious as the Manning Face is, I wouldn't say Manning choked in the SD game. Two tipped interceptions, fumble by Harrison, Wayne getting absolutely jacked up and losing the ball, Clark wiffing on the catch to end the Colt's last chance, lack of any semblance of a Pass D, letting Billy Freaking Volek drive the length of the field, etc.
 

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Originally posted by: mooglemania85


As hilarious as the Manning Face is, I wouldn't say Manning choked in the SD game. Two tipped interceptions, fumble by Harrison, Wayne getting absolutely jacked up and losing the ball, Clark wiffing on the catch to end the Colt's last chance, lack of any semblance of a Pass D, letting Billy Freaking Volek drive the length of the field, etc.

Well, maybe not completely choked, but Manning, while spectacular in the regular season, has not been one of the better quarterbacks in the post season.

He's only batting .500 for postseason play......7 wins out of 14 playoff appearances....and took him 4 years to win his very first playoff game. Manning lost in '99, '00, '02---didn't even get to post season in '01---and finally won his first playoff game in '03....two in fact that year, but lost ultimately to NE without making the SuperBowl, one win in '04, lost out the gate in the playoffs in '05 with a loss in their opening game, and finally fulfilling his potential in the '06. Now, losing a game his team should have easily won in '07. Sorta makes you wonder.

Compare Manning's playoff record to Brady's ....... Brady won in his first playoff appearance all the way to a SuperBowl ring in '01, did it again in '03---didn't make playoffs in '02---did it again in '04, one win in '05 and out, two wins in '06 and out, and on track for an unbeaten year in '07.

So that makes Brady's record 13 for 15.......Manning at 50% win percentage in post season, Brady at roughly 87% win percentage in post season.

I think it's fair to think Manning did what Manning does.....get to the post season and then lose half the time. Brady, on the other hand, wins typically.
 

mooglemania85

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Originally posted by: gingerstewart55
Originally posted by: mooglemania85


As hilarious as the Manning Face is, I wouldn't say Manning choked in the SD game. Two tipped interceptions, fumble by Harrison, Wayne getting absolutely jacked up and losing the ball, Clark wiffing on the catch to end the Colt's last chance, lack of any semblance of a Pass D, letting Billy Freaking Volek drive the length of the field, etc.

Well, maybe not completely choked, but Manning, while spectacular in the regular season, has not been one of the better quarterbacks in the post season.

He's only batting .500 for postseason play......7 wins out of 14 playoff appearances....and took him 4 years to win his very first playoff game. Manning lost in '99, '00, '02---didn't even get to post season in '01---and finally won his first playoff game in '03....two in fact that year, but lost ultimately to NE without making the SuperBowl, one win in '04, lost out the gate in the playoffs in '05 with a loss in their opening game, and finally fulfilling his potential in the '06. Now, losing a game his team should have easily won in '07. Sorta makes you wonder.

Compare Manning's playoff record to Brady's ....... Brady won in his first playoff appearance all the way to a SuperBowl ring in '01, did it again in '03---didn't make playoffs in '02---did it again in '04, one win in '05 and out, two wins in '06 and out, and on track for an unbeaten year in '07.

So that makes Brady's record 13 for 15.......Manning at 50% win percentage in post season, Brady at roughly 87% win percentage in post season.

I think it's fair to think Manning did what Manning does.....get to the post season and then lose half the time. Brady, on the other hand, wins typically.

I'm a Pats fan and I don't believe I'm defending Manning on this one.

I'm not saying he hasn't choked in the past. However, last Sunday's game was not on him. You might counter that great QB's inspire the best out of teammates, but there's really nothing any QB could do differently that would have resulted in Wayne hanging on to the goddam ball, that backup RB catching the ball instead of tipping it to the SD lineman who made a spectacular 1 hand grab, or Clark at the end.

As for playcalling, why the fvck were the Colts looking for the big play every down, which put them in 4th + 5 to begin with. Blame the coaches for that one, not Manning.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: NuclearNed
This game is going to make me feel really filthy stinking dirty. I dislike Rivers so much I might actually <gasp, sob> find myself rooting for the Patriots!

I'm so ashamed.

Why do you dislike Rivers so much? I loved it when he was yelling at the fans as they taunted him when he was walking toward the tunnel.
No reason to dislike Rivers, unless he's beating your team.

All he said to the fans was "I'll be back". Fans were taunting, cursing. Rivers doesn't curse.

This is simply a concerted effort by the media to make a story out of Rivers where there isn't one.

Tom Brady talks plenty of trash and gets in opposing players' faces. They treat him like he's a choirboy.

Rivers is a great man, great father and great teammate. Last time I checked, he wasn't knocking up random chicks and running away.

To this point, I've been hoping the Pats ran the table to put the 72 Dolphins to rest once and for all.
But I'm going to have a hard time pulling against Philip.
 

Syringer

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All he said to the fans was "I'll be back". Fans were taunting, cursing. Rivers doesn't curse.

Unless you're blind, Rivers was completely mouthing off to the fans near the end of the game. He's notorious for it. He's mouthed off against Cutler for no reason at all, as well as the Raiders fans--the guy has a league wind known reputation for mouthing off...just like *gasp* Ryan Leaf back in the day.

He's by far the biggest QB douche in the NFL, most non-Charger fans will agree.
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse...ikes-to-run-his-mouth/

Even his own teammate LT doesn't want to sit on the bench next to him.. and that says a lot.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Syringer
All he said to the fans was "I'll be back". Fans were taunting, cursing. Rivers doesn't curse.

Unless you're blind, Rivers was completely mouthing off to the fans near the end of the game. He's notorious for it. He's mouthed off against Cutler for no reason at all, as well as the Raiders fans--the guy has a league wind known reputation for mouthing off...just like *gasp* Ryan Leaf back in the day.

He's by far the biggest QB douche in the NFL, most non-Charger fans will agree.

Leaf was a no-talent assclown that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn though.


Yeah he runs his mouth, but is he a crybaby like TO....or does he knockup girls and rthen move on like Brady....does he take a sex cruise like most of the Vikings football team....does he orchestrate TD dances like Chad Johnson and numerous others....does he go out and stomp on the opponents logo after a victory?


The NFL has plenty of douches that are more fitting the title than Rivers is...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse...ikes-to-run-his-mouth/
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mooglemania85

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Syringer
All he said to the fans was "I'll be back". Fans were taunting, cursing. Rivers doesn't curse.

Unless you're blind, Rivers was completely mouthing off to the fans near the end of the game. He's notorious for it. He's mouthed off against Cutler for no reason at all, as well as the Raiders fans--the guy has a league wind known reputation for mouthing off...just like *gasp* Ryan Leaf back in the day.

He's by far the biggest QB douche in the NFL, most non-Charger fans will agree.

Leaf was a no-talent assclown that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn though.


Yeah he runs his mouth, but is he a crybaby like TO....or does he knockup girls and rthen move on like Brady....does he take a sex cruise like most of the Vikings football team....does he orchestrate TD dances like Chad Johnson and numerous others....does he go out and stomp on the opponents logo after a victory?


The NFL has plenty of douches that are more fitting the title than Rivers is...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse...ikes-to-run-his-mouth/
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Brady flew out for his child's birth. Doesn't sound like your typical dead-beat dad, despite your crack at portraying him as such.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Syringer
All he said to the fans was "I'll be back". Fans were taunting, cursing. Rivers doesn't curse.

Unless you're blind, Rivers was completely mouthing off to the fans near the end of the game. He's notorious for it. He's mouthed off against Cutler for no reason at all, as well as the Raiders fans--the guy has a league wind known reputation for mouthing off...just like *gasp* Ryan Leaf back in the day.

He's by far the biggest QB douche in the NFL, most non-Charger fans will agree.

Leaf was a no-talent assclown that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn though.


Yeah he runs his mouth, but is he a crybaby like TO....or does he knockup girls and rthen move on like Brady....does he take a sex cruise like most of the Vikings football team....does he orchestrate TD dances like Chad Johnson and numerous others....does he go out and stomp on the opponents logo after a victory?


The NFL has plenty of douches that are more fitting the title than Rivers is...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse...ikes-to-run-his-mouth/
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Brady flew out for his child's birth. Doesn't sound like your typical dead-beat dad, despite your crack at portraying him as such.[/quote]

Yes, he flew down to see his baby born, but was mostly absent during the entire pregnancy(mostly spent with his new non-pregnant gf). Moynahan did not even include his surname when naming the child...

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mooglemania85

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Yes, he flew down to see his baby born, but was mostly absent during the entire pregnancy(mostly spent with his new non-pregnant gf). Moynahan did not even include his surname when naming the child...

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The kid was named after Brady's father.

The nested quotes are all screwed up on Fusetalk today.
 

SSSnail

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: SSSnail
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Robert Kraft is honoring the girl who was booed at the Indy game

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All class, and stay classy PATs haters.

total class....

http://www.barstoolsports.com/...ets_tom_bradys_helmet/

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More love, less hate please. What are you saying though? I completely missed whatever points you're trying to say.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: Syringer
All he said to the fans was "I'll be back". Fans were taunting, cursing. Rivers doesn't curse.

Unless you're blind, Rivers was completely mouthing off to the fans near the end of the game. He's notorious for it. He's mouthed off against Cutler for no reason at all, as well as the Raiders fans--the guy has a league wind known reputation for mouthing off...just like *gasp* Ryan Leaf back in the day.

He's by far the biggest QB douche in the NFL, most non-Charger fans will agree.
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse...ikes-to-run-his-mouth/

Even his own teammate LT doesn't want to sit on the bench next to him.. and that says a lot.
You are completely wrong.

First off, Cutler was the one who was mouthing off first. Rivers' teammates....you know, the ones you say don't like him? Yeah, they were the ones who came to his defense to say Cutler was mouthing off. You know, the other two Charger players you say that were really running their mouths in that video? Yeah, Philip was helping them out, but Cutler was the one doing the mouthing first. Oh, and Cutler was getting his ass handed to him, so I'm sure he hates that....in fact, no Chargers QB has ever owned the Broncos like Rivers has.

Second, Rivers doesn't curse. You can only do so much mouthing off without cursing, as all the other mouths in the league can attest to.

Third, did you by chance read the article written this week about how much Rivers' teammates love him, think he's a great father, man, teammate, etc?

Fourth, LT isn't averse to quite a bit of mouth himself. Plus, he's a bit of a prima donna, so even though there's no evidence to back up the assertion that he doesn't like Rivers, I could understand that he might harbor some resentment as Rivers is gradually taking over the team, while LT is not exactly getting it done lately.

Try and look beyond what the media is trying to create...and that's a story about Rivers that isn't accurate. They see an opportunity to have an ongoing story. It's really a non-issue. If they looked at every QB in the league as closely as Rivers is being scrutinized right now, and blew up every time another QB even pointed a finger, saying "yeah, that QB "xxx", he likes to talk.....plus showed it in commercials, etc....then you'd think that player was a douche, too.

But those QB's aren't in the AFC title game. Brady talks probably nearly as much as Rivers. Nobody is reporting how much he runs his mouth.

What's Rivers' record as a starter now...26-8? In two years? Pro Bowl first year as a starter and in the AFC title game the second, with a new coach and new offense?

Yep, he's a certified, badass QB. He's only going to get better from here if the system and player stay intact. Keep on hating, because he's going to keep on winning. He always has.
 

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Brady talks probably nearly as much as Rivers. Nobody is reporting how much he runs his mouth.

Maybe that's because he doesn't engage in banter with fans in the stands like Rivers did. I don't think Rivers was cursing, but it's right to question why he was engaging in the back-and-forth in the first place.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Brady talks probably nearly as much as Rivers. Nobody is reporting how much he runs his mouth.

Maybe that's because he doesn't engage in banter with fans in the stands like Rivers did. I don't think Rivers was cursing, but it's right to question why he was engaging in the back-and-forth in the first place.
Um, because they were taunting him because he was injured? So he told them "I'll be back".

You think he's the only one who ever gets into it with opposing fans? I agree that maybe he shouldn't, but it's really not a big deal either way.
 

mooglemania85

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Brady talks probably nearly as much as Rivers. Nobody is reporting how much he runs his mouth.

Maybe that's because he doesn't engage in banter with fans in the stands like Rivers did. I don't think Rivers was cursing, but it's right to question why he was engaging in the back-and-forth in the first place.
Um, because they were taunting him because he was injured? So he told them "I'll be back".

You think he's the only one who ever gets into it with opposing fans? I agree that maybe he shouldn't, but it's really not a big deal either way.

I know they were taunting him. What I said was that you have to question why he chose to reply in the first place rather than just ignoring the hicks and getting into the locker room to get his knee checked out.
 

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I'll have my beer, chips, and spinach dip ready.

I believe the Pats will take this one, but I REALLY want to see them go down. The Chargers are outmatched and banged up, but with the NFL you never know what's going to happen. Everyone is getting paid to be there and at this point, they all know it.

If you look at Brady's stats, he sometimes has off-days. It's just not that often anymore.