NFL AFC Championship Game - Patriots vs Chargers

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PimpJuice

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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Looks like Igor attended the School of Asshattery founded by Anthony Smith and FredEx:

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Dont forget Jerramy Stevens too.

Rivers is an asshat who needs to get his ass kicked. I hate the Pats, but not enough to root for Rivers. He throws like a girl and talks as much as one too......probably hair-pulls in fights too.

Also, Junior Seau has also turned into a little punk the past couple years. Anyone else think so?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: PimpJuice
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Looks like Igor attended the School of Asshattery founded by Anthony Smith and FredEx:

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Dont forget Jerramy Stevens too.

Rivers is an asshat who needs to get his ass kicked. I hate the Pats, but not enough to root for Rivers. He throws like a girl and talks as much as one too......probably hair-pulls in fights too.

Also, Junior Seau has also turned into a little punk the past couple years. Anyone else think so?

Crickets.........
 

CaptnKirk

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I've been watchin g the Chargers choke since when I lived in San Diego in the 60's.
No need for them to stop now . . .


. . but i'll be pulling for them.

hate the Cheats


NE has had the best of luck all season in not having their key players injured, or several ot once, for a suprising length of time.

Their luck could expire.
 

rockyct

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I've been watchin g the Chargers choke since when I lived in San Diego in the 60's.
No need for them to stop now . . .


. . but i'll be pulling for them.

hate the Cheats


NE has had the best of luck all season in not having their key players injured, or several ot once, for a suprising length of time.

Their luck could expire.

Do you plan to go Tonya Harding on Brady's throwing arm or something?
 

mooglemania85

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Originally posted by: rockyct
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I've been watchin g the Chargers choke since when I lived in San Diego in the 60's.
No need for them to stop now . . .


. . but i'll be pulling for them.

hate the Cheats


NE has had the best of luck all season in not having their key players injured, or several ot once, for a suprising length of time.

Their luck could expire.

Do you plan to go Tonya Harding on Brady's throwing arm or something?

Gaining notoriety with the release of your own sex tape, and culminating with a stint on Fox's Celebrity Boxing?
 

gingerstewart55

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While LT is important to SD, is he that important? His running stats may prove different.......he ran for over 100 yards only 6 times this year.....held to under 100 yards eleven times.

Tennessee, in SD's wildcard game, held LT to 42 yards on 21 carries.

I'd think Rivers is the more important player who is currently injured that HAS to play. LT may be an interesting question as to if he plays or not, but may not be as important as Rivers.

LT's running stats for this year (by game):


17 for 25..CHI
18 for 43...NE
22 for 62...GB
20 for 132...KC
21 for 67...DEN
24 for 198...against Oakland....DUH!
17 for 90...HOU
16 for 40...MIN
21 for 76...IND
16 for 62...JAC
24 for 77...GAL
23 for 177...KC
26 for 146...TEN
15 for 116...DET
19 for 107...DEN
16 for 56....against Oakland, again.....Hmmmmm

21 for 42....Tenn. wildcard playoff game


Now, it does look like LT did step it up in the last games they had to win, but 56 yards against Oakland? 42 yards against TEN in the wildcard game?

Hope LT is more ready to play on this Sunday, but I think Rivers may be the more important factor for SD, not LT's health.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: gingerstewart55
While LT is important to SD, is he that important? His running stats may prove different.......he ran for over 100 yards only 6 times this year.....held to under 100 yards eleven times.

Tennessee, in SD's wildcard game, held LT to 42 yards on 21 carries.

I'd think Rivers is the more important player who is currently injured that HAS to play. LT may be an interesting question as to if he plays or not, but may not be as important as Rivers.

LT's running stats for this year (by game):


17 for 25..CHI
18 for 43...NE
22 for 62...GB
20 for 132...KC
21 for 67...DEN
24 for 198...against Oakland....DUH!
17 for 90...HOU
16 for 40...MIN
21 for 76...IND
16 for 62...JAC
24 for 77...GAL
23 for 177...KC
26 for 146...TEN
15 for 116...DET
19 for 107...DEN
16 for 56....against Oakland, again.....Hmmmmm

21 for 42....Tenn. wildcard playoff game


Now, it does look like LT did step it up in the last games they had to win, but 56 yards against Oakland? 42 yards against TEN in the wildcard game?

Hope LT is more ready to play on this Sunday, but I think Rivers may be the more important factor for SD, not LT's health.

You are correct that Rivers will be the most important factor in the game b/c the Pats will be focusing on shutting down LT forcing the Chargers to beat them with Rivers.

However, your logic is flawed b/c LT is River's No. 2 receiver. LT is involved in over 50% of San Diego's offensive plays and TDs.
 

gingerstewart55

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

You are correct that Rivers will be the most important factor in the game b/c the Pats will be focusing on shutting down LT forcing the Chargers to beat them with Rivers.

However, your logic is flawed b/c LT is River's No. 2 receiver. LT is involved in over 50% of San Diego's offensive plays and TDs.

Half the touchdowns SD scored for 2007 by LT? You need to recheck your facts......

SD scored 49 TD's in 2007.....LT accounted for 18 of them, 15 rushing, 3 receiving. That's a little less than half.

True, he was the #2 receiver......60 catches for 475 yards. But Jackson had more yards with fewer catches than LT and the same number of receiving TD's.....3.

Chambers had more receiving yards than LT.....and more receiving TD's....4.


That doesn't include Gates, with 984 yards receiving and 9 TD's.

While it's true that LT is an important part of the offense, his receiving TD production is not much of a factor, unless you count being tied for 3rd best as "vital".....I'd say Gates, Jackson and Chambers are much more vital to the receiving arena than LT. BTW....LT's catches are typically dumpoffs while the other receivers are the longer threats, witnessed by the average yards per reception....LT managed 7.9 while the others mentioned were 13.1 by Gates, 15.2 by Jackson, and 15.9 by Chambers.


But those averages are very typical for running backs and reception averages......what is really salient is the running back's rushing yards and TD's scored....the true use of the running back. Dumping off passes as a wide running play or as a last resort safety valve pass really doesn't say much for a passing game.


Be that as it may, it still doesn't point out the total touchdown numbers over the year put up by the two teams involved...

SD.....49, broken down into 19 - 22 - 2 - 6 (rush, pass, returns, defense)

NE......75, broken down into 17 - 50 - 2 - 6 (So, two fewer rushing TD's, vastly greater # passing)


Rushing yards over the season.....SD had 2039, NE had 1849....200 fewer, but then again, Maroney, Morris, and Faulk had some games where rushing wasn't used much or at all.

Passing yards.....SD...3005, NE.....4731....about 1700 more passing yards and 28 more passing TD's. Obviously, NE is a pass-oriented team, but Maroney, Morris, and Faulk all managed 4.5 yards per carry (well, Faulk was 4.3)......fairly closely matching LT's average of 4.7. Now, true Maroney had fewer yards carried (835 to LT's 1474), but LT also had 130 more attempts (LT....315, Maroney 180)


To me, whta is really striking is how limited SD's offense really is. In TD's, SD had 2 people score 2 or more rushing TD's, and had 4 people score 2 or more receiving TD's.

NE had 5 players score 2 or more rushing TD's and had 7 players score 2 or more receiving TD's.

I think this is very much more telling a set of stats than almost anything else.

Shut down LT and SD has few others to turn to.....Gates and Chambers mainly.

Shut down Maroney and Moss, which has been done pretty much before (usually Moss over Maroney), and Brady still has 6 others to throw to that have scored TD's already.



Honestly, if NE can give Brady any sort of time in the pocket, it'll be a long day for SD.

 

Capt Caveman

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Sorry, I should have said LT was involved in 19(15 rushing, 3 receiving and 1 passing) of the offensive team's 41 TDs for 46%.

And how can you say that LT's receiving isn't a major part of the Charger offense? He accounts of 1/5 of all of the receptions and tied for 3rd on the team in TD receptions.

If you compare this to any other team, LT accounts for a larger % of the his team's offense than any other non-quarterback in the league for their respective team.
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Sorry, I should have said LT was involved in 19(15 rushing, 3 receiving and 1 passing) of the offensive team's 41 TDs for 46%.

And how can you say that LT's receiving isn't a major part of the Charger offense? He accounts of 1/5 of all of the receptions and tied for 3rd on the team in TD receptions.

If you compare this to any other team, LT accounts for a larger % of the his team's offense than any other non-quarterback in the league for their respective team.

Don't know the actual numbers but Brian Westbrook might give LT a run for his money.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Sorry, I should have said LT was involved in 19(15 rushing, 3 receiving and 1 passing) of the offensive team's 41 TDs for 46%.

And how can you say that LT's receiving isn't a major part of the Charger offense? He accounts of 1/5 of all of the receptions and tied for 3rd on the team in TD receptions.

If you compare this to any other team, LT accounts for a larger % of the his team's offense than any other non-quarterback in the league for their respective team.

Don't know the actual numbers but Brian Westbrook might give LT a run for his money.

I agree.
 

gingerstewart55

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Never said LT wasn't a major part.....he is. But he's obviously a part of SD's offense that has struggled at times....look at his rushing totals per game. Some disturbing trends there. Half his games he rushed for under 68 yards total.....10 games under 100 yards. Seems that LT is able to be shut down on occasion. True, he did come back in the later half of the year......the last 5 games, but Tennessee managed to shut him out for 42 yards.

And when LT struggles, SD's offense tends to, too. Putting the entire weight on Rivers' shoulders...a lot to ask. And I only say that because SD's pass offense was ranked, in the regular season, as 26th, while NE's was ranked first.

Nice to have a great runner, but when your passing attack is far behind the running attack........take away the run and you may find SD struggles. Feed into that LT's knee, along with Rivers' knee, and it may be a long afternoon.....but that's why they play the game. If it were all just on paper, you'd simply have a fantasy league.......yech!

Westbrook...36% of Philly's offensive scoring this year.


Some other interesting stats from the regular season:

NE...overall defensive ranking of 4th. Pass defense rank of 6th, rushing defense ranking of 10th.

SD...overall defensive ranking of 14th, pass defense rank of 14th, rushing defense of 16th.


In offense, NE was ranked 1st overall, with their passing attack ranked 1st while their rushing attack a measly 13th.

SD....overall offense ranked 20th, with their passing attack ranked 26th and their rushing attack ranked 7th. LT did make a difference, but only in the rushing attack. Shut him out, and SD will struggle with the 26th overall NFL ranked passing attack.
 

gingerstewart55

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Westbrook had 1333 rushing yards and 7 TD's, 771 receiving yards and 5 TD's. Total Eagle offense was 5729 yards and 36 TD's.

So, he had 36.7% of their total offensive production in yardage and 33% of their TD total.
 

anxi80

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report: moss hit with restraining order

Florida radio station WDBO reported that a woman filed for an order of protection against Moss, alleging he committed battery against her. The report said a temporary injunction was issued, barring Moss from coming within 500 feet of the woman and from using or possessing firearms.

in other, totally unrelated news its been said the san diego chargers are in negotiations to recruit a woman from boca raton, florida to attend the game this sunday as a honorary cheerleader...
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Robert Kraft is honoring the girl who was booed at the Indy game

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Really, what were her parents thinking letting her go out in front of a stadium full of Colts fans in a Patriots jersey? Dumbfuck award goes to those people. Anyway, I'm sure the cheering will make up for it when she takes the field before the Chargers/Pats game this weekend. End of story.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Robert Kraft is honoring the girl who was booed at the Indy game

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Really, what were her parents thinking letting her go out in front of a stadium full of Colts fans in a Patriots jersey? Dumbfuck award goes to those people. Anyway, I'm sure the cheering will make up for it when she takes the field before the Chargers/Pats game this weekend. End of story.

all the kids had jersey's on of the nearest nfl team
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: gingerstewart55
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

You are correct that Rivers will be the most important factor in the game b/c the Pats will be focusing on shutting down LT forcing the Chargers to beat them with Rivers.

However, your logic is flawed b/c LT is River's No. 2 receiver. LT is involved in over 50% of San Diego's offensive plays and TDs.

Half the touchdowns SD scored for 2007 by LT? You need to recheck your facts......

SD scored 49 TD's in 2007.....LT accounted for 18 of them, 15 rushing, 3 receiving. That's a little less than half.

True, he was the #2 receiver......60 catches for 475 yards. But Jackson had more yards with fewer catches than LT and the same number of receiving TD's.....3.

Chambers had more receiving yards than LT.....and more receiving TD's....4.


That doesn't include Gates, with 984 yards receiving and 9 TD's.

While it's true that LT is an important part of the offense, his receiving TD production is not much of a factor, unless you count being tied for 3rd best as "vital".....I'd say Gates, Jackson and Chambers are much more vital to the receiving arena than LT. BTW....LT's catches are typically dumpoffs while the other receivers are the longer threats, witnessed by the average yards per reception....LT managed 7.9 while the others mentioned were 13.1 by Gates, 15.2 by Jackson, and 15.9 by Chambers.


But those averages are very typical for running backs and reception averages......what is really salient is the running back's rushing yards and TD's scored....the true use of the running back. Dumping off passes as a wide running play or as a last resort safety valve pass really doesn't say much for a passing game.


Be that as it may, it still doesn't point out the total touchdown numbers over the year put up by the two teams involved...

SD.....49, broken down into 19 - 22 - 2 - 6 (rush, pass, returns, defense)

NE......75, broken down into 17 - 50 - 2 - 6 (So, two fewer rushing TD's, vastly greater # passing)


Rushing yards over the season.....SD had 2039, NE had 1849....200 fewer, but then again, Maroney, Morris, and Faulk had some games where rushing wasn't used much or at all.

Passing yards.....SD...3005, NE.....4731....about 1700 more passing yards and 28 more passing TD's. Obviously, NE is a pass-oriented team, but Maroney, Morris, and Faulk all managed 4.5 yards per carry (well, Faulk was 4.3)......fairly closely matching LT's average of 4.7. Now, true Maroney had fewer yards carried (835 to LT's 1474), but LT also had 130 more attempts (LT....315, Maroney 180)


To me, whta is really striking is how limited SD's offense really is. In TD's, SD had 2 people score 2 or more rushing TD's, and had 4 people score 2 or more receiving TD's.

NE had 5 players score 2 or more rushing TD's and had 7 players score 2 or more receiving TD's.

I think this is very much more telling a set of stats than almost anything else.

Shut down LT and SD has few others to turn to.....Gates and Chambers mainly.

Shut down Maroney and Moss, which has been done pretty much before (usually Moss over Maroney), and Brady still has 6 others to throw to that have scored TD's already.



Honestly, if NE can give Brady any sort of time in the pocket, it'll be a long day for SD.

Any team that has shutdown Moss has given New England fits. Cromartie will be on him which will totally negate Moss's athleticism and height. Jammer is a pretty good shutdown corner as well, who will probably be on Welker. If Phillips and Merriman are in the backfield, this is going to be a long game for the Pats...
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: gingerstewart55
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

You are correct that Rivers will be the most important factor in the game b/c the Pats will be focusing on shutting down LT forcing the Chargers to beat them with Rivers.

However, your logic is flawed b/c LT is River's No. 2 receiver. LT is involved in over 50% of San Diego's offensive plays and TDs.

Half the touchdowns SD scored for 2007 by LT? You need to recheck your facts......

SD scored 49 TD's in 2007.....LT accounted for 18 of them, 15 rushing, 3 receiving. That's a little less than half.

True, he was the #2 receiver......60 catches for 475 yards. But Jackson had more yards with fewer catches than LT and the same number of receiving TD's.....3.

Chambers had more receiving yards than LT.....and more receiving TD's....4.


That doesn't include Gates, with 984 yards receiving and 9 TD's.

While it's true that LT is an important part of the offense, his receiving TD production is not much of a factor, unless you count being tied for 3rd best as "vital".....I'd say Gates, Jackson and Chambers are much more vital to the receiving arena than LT. BTW....LT's catches are typically dumpoffs while the other receivers are the longer threats, witnessed by the average yards per reception....LT managed 7.9 while the others mentioned were 13.1 by Gates, 15.2 by Jackson, and 15.9 by Chambers.


But those averages are very typical for running backs and reception averages......what is really salient is the running back's rushing yards and TD's scored....the true use of the running back. Dumping off passes as a wide running play or as a last resort safety valve pass really doesn't say much for a passing game.


Be that as it may, it still doesn't point out the total touchdown numbers over the year put up by the two teams involved...

SD.....49, broken down into 19 - 22 - 2 - 6 (rush, pass, returns, defense)

NE......75, broken down into 17 - 50 - 2 - 6 (So, two fewer rushing TD's, vastly greater # passing)


Rushing yards over the season.....SD had 2039, NE had 1849....200 fewer, but then again, Maroney, Morris, and Faulk had some games where rushing wasn't used much or at all.

Passing yards.....SD...3005, NE.....4731....about 1700 more passing yards and 28 more passing TD's. Obviously, NE is a pass-oriented team, but Maroney, Morris, and Faulk all managed 4.5 yards per carry (well, Faulk was 4.3)......fairly closely matching LT's average of 4.7. Now, true Maroney had fewer yards carried (835 to LT's 1474), but LT also had 130 more attempts (LT....315, Maroney 180)


To me, whta is really striking is how limited SD's offense really is. In TD's, SD had 2 people score 2 or more rushing TD's, and had 4 people score 2 or more receiving TD's.

NE had 5 players score 2 or more rushing TD's and had 7 players score 2 or more receiving TD's.

I think this is very much more telling a set of stats than almost anything else.

Shut down LT and SD has few others to turn to.....Gates and Chambers mainly.

Shut down Maroney and Moss, which has been done pretty much before (usually Moss over Maroney), and Brady still has 6 others to throw to that have scored TD's already.



Honestly, if NE can give Brady any sort of time in the pocket, it'll be a long day for SD.

Any team that has shutdown Moss has given New England fits. Cromartie will be on him which will totally negate Moss's athleticism and height. Jammer is a pretty good shutdown corner as well, who will probably be on Welker. If Phillips and Merriman are in the backfield, this is going to be a long game for the Pats...

The Jaguars shut down moss and that didn't help too much.
 

gingerstewart55

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Originally posted by: Nitemare


Any team that has shutdown Moss has given New England fits. Cromartie will be on him which will totally negate Moss's athleticism and height. Jammer is a pretty good shutdown corner as well, who will probably be on Welker. If Phillips and Merriman are in the backfield, this is going to be a long game for the Pats...


Riiiiight, talk to the Jaguars. They completely shut off Moss who had only one catch for 14 yards.

Care to remember how tough NE had it during that game?

One team cannot cover Moss, Welker, Faulk, Stallworth, Gaffney, Maroney, Watson, and Kyle Brady......all who caught passes during the game that Moss was shut down in and the Jags supposedly gave NE "fits."

BTW.....the Jags lost by 11. Doesn't look like the team heralded to be the team to give NE the worst time of all teams faced by NE this year did just that, but lost like all the others instead.

And true, Brady got sacked.....once. After that, Brady wasn't touched once.


From the Jaguars's own website:

Quarterback Tom Brady was the difference in the Patriots? win over the Jaguars. Brady completed 26 of 28 passes for 262 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions and a 141.4 passer rating.

Brady was so dominant that the Patriots didn?t punt until the final seconds of the game, when they were in clock-killing mode. Brady was so dominant that the Jaguars didn?t have a pass-defensed.

It was a case of pitch and catch all night, and the Jaguars tried every strategy imaginable to slow down Brady. The Jaguars opened in ?nickel,? then switched to a 3-3-5 alignment. After halftime, they played 4-3 ?Cover Two? and ?nickel.? Nothing worked.

Del Rio... ?Brady was very, very good. We made him be patient. He was very patient; willing to nibble.?

When the nibbling was over, all the meat had been picked from the Jaguars? bones.



And unfortunately for SD, Jacksonville had a better ranked overall defense than does SD....essentially the same ranking vs. the pass, and SD much worse than Jack. vs. the run (11th for JAC vs. 16th for SD.)

And, NE has the best ranked overall defense of the remaining teams in the playoffs.....NE at 4th, Giants at 7th, Packers at 11th, SD at 14th.