NextGen Console Graphics And Effects on PC (E3 Coverage!)

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I know some of you are watching E3 live, and we just finally got a look at the pricing of the Xbox One. We've got a look at the graphics, which look amazing and detailed.

How do you guys think these new engines will look on PC?
Do you think the price of $500 was fair?
Do you think current generation Graphics Cards will handle these games with ease?

Just curious to hear the PC gamers thoughts on the hardware aspect after seeing some of the games.

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There is a lot live coverage. I'll link any live coverage you guys request so it doesn't look like I'm advertising for any one website in particular.
 
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Yea, graphics looked great.

Yes, I think the graphics will look equally good on the PC but you're going to need more than a $500 PC to get it look up to par to the new consoles. That's where the value of consoles is.

I remember when the XBox 360/PS3 were announced and I was running the still state of the art ATI 9800Pro at that time. There was no way I was able to run any of those next gen games with my 9800Pro.

I think you can run Xbox One games at lower settings with a midrange - high midrandge cards but you'd need a highend card to keep up.

Just the way it is. Console games are completely optimized. PC games will need better hardware to keep up.

And before PC gamers go crazy about how their $600 video cards have more TFlops, just remember that new generation of consoles will push PC graphics. Developers don't invest in extreme PC graphics first anymore. They invest in consoles then port over to PC.

So really, PC gamers should be happy next-gen consoles are coming out because they can get better looking games on the PC.
 
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We've had several threads on this already but:

- Trade show graphics are often faked, either pre-rendered or running on a development PC instead of a real console.

- The AMD APU is not nearly as powerful as a 7970 or 780. If it matches them it's because of bypassing the overhead of Windows.

- The AMD CPU is 8 slow, weak cores so it will be hard for developers to make CPU-bound games run as well as on fast intel quad-core PCs

- The Xbox and PS4 are frozen in time for the next 6 years, while next year there will be new graphics cards for PCs

- $500 seems OK, though with Xbox you'll need to spend $40-60 more per year on Live Gold and $10+ more for each game. It remains to be seen whether MS will ever offer sales to match what we see on Steam.
 
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This generation is the last that will do rendering locally. Ar least thats my prediction, and I would guess that cloud rendering will be done later in this cycle.

This will be all about streaming, music, games and movies.

And I think the first games will look OK, and increasingly better, but probably not as good as the top notch GPUs. But more and more games looks god enough, so I don't think that matters too much.

As for price it's too expensive as they are going to sell much more content than before. But I will guess it will be moving down to 200-250$ in two years time.
 
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DaveSimmons said:
We've had several threads on this already but:

- Trade show graphics are often faked, either pre-rendered or running on a development PC instead of a real console.

- The AMD APU is not nearly as powerful as a 7970 or 780. If it matches them it's because of bypassing the overhead of Windows.

- The AMD CPU is 8 slow, weak cores so it will be hard for developers to make CPU-bound games run as well as on fast intel quad-core PCs

- The Xbox and PS4 are frozen in time for the next 6 years, while next year there will be new graphics cards for PCs

- $500 seems OK, though with Xbox you'll need to spend $40-60 more per year on Live Gold and $10+ more for each game. It remains to be seen whether MS will ever offer sales to match what we see on Steam.
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This is a new thread about new impressions now that E3 has started. If anyone here hasn't been watching E3, or haven't seen the new games I suggest you do so it will make discussion better.

The thing about the $500 to me though is that for current PC gamers, you ask yourself:
"Do I want to spend $500 dollars on this new Next Gen Console or do I want to use this $500 to upgrade my current PC." Because lets be real, this $500 is an additional cost, you aren't going to rebuild your PC, it's do I upgrade to the next gen, or do I purchase a next gen console.

I don't want this to be just about price though, the next gen engines were great. Frostbite 4 Engine looked amazing to me. I know people at ign (who seem to be gamers and don't care as much about the engine) were let done by the engine but it seemed to me that there was a lot of amazing detail.

To clarify, I'm crazy about the new engines. Hopefully these new engines will bring hardware we have to it's knees (at full detail beyond what the PS4 and Xbox One are capable) and spur development of GPUs harder
 
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Considering the games announced are coming to the PC as well.

I don't see any games the OP is talking about "better" graphics than the PC. For those not up to speed, this is the same spiel every year, the graphics are nothing major over what you can get on a normal PC.

As for Metal Gear Solid 5 video, majority of that was just Cutscenes. Which is one reason I HATE consoles, small gameplay time, lots of cutscenes. Even the parts that looked like gameplay was nothing better than a PC game can do.

As to anyone who has followed these console releases before, its well known that they hype one game over others to show its ability. But make no mistake, that is what they can do, developers will NOT spend that much on console games to make them all "blockbuster" titles.
 
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Yes. Show me a PC game that look as good as Metal Gear Solid 5.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/10/e3-2013-metal-gear-solid-v-coming-to-xbox-one
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did you see how bad those horses looked? i mean, that was like flat textured hair

hello? the xbox one IS a pc, straight x86

BF3_Carrier.jpg
 
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imaheadcase said:
Considering the games announced are coming to the PC as well.

I don't see any games the OP is talking about "better" graphics than the PC. For those not up to speed, this is the same spiel every year, the graphics are nothing major over what you can get on a normal PC.
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I didn't make any deductions in my OP. I asked questions of the community to hear everyone's thoughts and to foster discussion. Discussing which graphics are better is actually irrelevant to me. Hence why I asked how people felt the games would look on PC and how current generation graphics cards will handle these new games.

Which graphics are better(console or PC) is irrelevant to me because these games are stuck at 1080p and most people here don't play at 1080p, or on a TV (I do play at 1080p and only ona TV though =D).

So reiterating what I just said:
Discussing which graphics are better is actually irrelevant to me. Hence why I asked how people felt the games would look on PC and how current generation graphics cards will handle these new games.

Hope that clarifies it for you.
 
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videogames101 said:
did you see how bad those horses looked? i mean, that was like flat textured hair

hello? the xbox one IS a pc, straight x86

BF3_Carrier.jpg
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Show me a screenshot that is not taken by the developer.

Show me BF3's trailer and tell me it looks better.

I thought the horse looked great. If the horse is all you could do, then I rest my case.
 
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tential said:
I didn't make any deductions in my OP. I asked questions of the community to hear everyone's thoughts and to foster discussion. Discussing which graphics are better is actually irrelevant to me. Hence why I asked how people felt the games would look on PC and how current generation graphics cards will handle these new games.

Which graphics are better(console or PC) is irrelevant to me because these games are stuck at 1080p and most people here don't play at 1080p, or on a TV (I do play at 1080p and only ona TV though =D).

So reiterating what I just said:
Discussing which graphics are better is actually irrelevant to me. Hence why I asked how people felt the games would look on PC and how current generation graphics cards will handle these new games.

Hope that clarifies it for you.
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they will look the same or better if you have the same or better hardware

a 2500k or higher is a better cpu, a 7850/660 or higher is a better gpu
 
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senttoschool said:
Show me a screenshot that is not taken by the developer.

Show me BF3's trailer and tell me it looks better.
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huh? i can take the same screenshot in the same mission and it looks that way, it's ironic that you look at a tradeshow trailer and believe it's realtime.

would you like me to launch bf3 and take a screenshot of the carrier mission? i'm not trying to trick you, but the xbox one is just a lower-mid range pc

and btw, that horse's hair looked so bad it stuck out in my mind
 
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senttoschool said:
I don't understand your question. I don't think there are any PC games out right now that looks as good as the MGS5 video.
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I have only seen bad console ports and no pc games that I can think of ,maybe metro LL and maybe why it looked so good.
-no games have ever been recoded from the ground up for any pc game I can think of.
 
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tential said:
I didn't make any deductions in my OP. I asked questions of the community to hear everyone's thoughts and to foster discussion. Discussing which graphics are better is actually irrelevant to me. Hence why I asked how people felt the games would look on PC and how current generation graphics cards will handle these new games.

Which graphics are better(console or PC) is irrelevant to me because these games are stuck at 1080p and most people here don't play at 1080p, or on a TV (I do play at 1080p and only ona TV though =D).

So reiterating what I just said:
Discussing which graphics are better is actually irrelevant to me. Hence why I asked how people felt the games would look on PC and how current generation graphics cards will handle these new games.

Hope that clarifies it for you.
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They will handle them fine /end of thread.
 
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videogames101 said:
huh? i can take the same screenshot in the same mission and it looks that way, it's ironic that you look at a tradeshow trailer and believe it's realtime.

would you like me to launch bf3 and take a screenshot of the carrier mission?
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The MGS5 trailer was in real time. Did you not see the trailer/press conference? Maybe you should watch it before you do.

There's no way in hell BF3 even comes close to MSG5's graphics right now.

Fox Engine is next-gen. Frostbite 2 is last gen. Try again.
 
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Carfax83 said:
Don't tell me you're falling for that E3 shite :rolleyes: E3 demos are usually a mix of mostly pre-rendered and real time footage, designed to impress and hype. It's not indicative of what the final product will be.

Must I post the comparison video between E3 Far Cry 3 and retail Far Cry 3? Or Bioshock Infinite?
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MSG4's trailer looked exactly like the end game.
 
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videogames101 said:
they will look the same or better if you have the same or better hardware

a 2500k or higher is a better cpu, a 7850/660 or higher is a better gpu
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Another thing I want to throw out there given this post:
Next Gen uses 8 cores. At this point we know that developers have been able to utilize these quite well. Even though we know that SandyBridge is a better CPU than the current AMD APU out there, after seeing the new games do you think that 6 core and 8 core will drastically improve performance now in new games?

We'd never have expected a AMD APU with those specs to put out that graphic level quality on PC gaming, but on Xbox One it seems to be working. So how do you all think we'll be seeing core scaling with new games given a first look now?

Edit: I just want people to remember that if you're watching a live stream it's at 720p and probably not 60 FPS. Seeing it live is probably much different quality and much more detailed (or we hope at least) so that's why I'm just talking about PC expectations because I am not going to sit around and act as if I know what Xbox One or PS4 will actually look like until a couple months from now.
 
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senttoschool said:
I don't understand your question. I don't think there are any PC games out right now that looks as good as the MGS5 video.
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I was actually not that impressed with it. Texture quality was not spectacular, had some lighting flaws (although yes, the game is not finished so it may look better later).

But nothing in it made me think it looks that much better than FC3 or something.
 
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