Next Radiator in loop with Thermochill 120.3

[terentenet]

A good friend of mine managed to get it for me. I love the looks of it and I hope it works well. I havent tested it yet and will take another week+ to get the whole system ready.
What should I expect from my 2 loops mentioned above? Will they work? How well?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: hecktic
how did you get those water blocks? I thought evga did not release them yet?

i honestly wouldnt be looking at those blocks.

There really pathetic. When evga announced they were going to use xspc parts, all of XS forums wanted to cry.

Anyhow, my entire board is watercooled. NB, SB, and dual SLI.

I use a single loop dual pump dual radiator design to help with flow, and reduce slight temps on chipset and heavy gfx card use.


i dont know what your exactly looking for terentenet. First off, theres a lot of fury about getting mosfet blocks over at xs. A lot of members report, that those mosfets require a certain amount of pressure and contact to work properly.


Also shunail was not properly looping his blocks. He was runing into major flow restrcitions wihch he paid for at a costly price.

His GFX cards. if you loop things with right parts, and try to maximize flow, your temps would be much better. Hence why i highly recomend not using FC blocks on a single pump design.

Hecktic on the other hand wnats a multi loop layout to avoid such a outcome. This is another way to fight flow restrictions.


As i understand, it would take a bit more to stress a thermochill PA120.3 with 2 gts and a cpu. His wall wasnt the radiator, it was his pump.

 

[shunail]

Hi aigomorla,
I've got most of the parts for my system, waiting for other pump and radiator. In the meantime I was wondering if I can place both radiators on top of the case. (Lian Li PC-V2100B Plus II) Has a big 120mm hole on top. Here's a sketch that I drew, try to explain the setup.Sketch

 

[MotF Bane]

Shunail, the image does not exist. 404 error. I tried tweaking the URL, no luck. Just a hint

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Shunail, the image does not exist. 404 error. I tried tweaking the URL, no luck. Just a hint

ahahaha gonan say the same thing. im kinda interested in his layout now that his parts mirror mine.

But anyhow, i dont think you'll need to dual DDC your loop. How restrictive tubing do you intend to use? Remember if you use smaller then 3/8 fittings, you can damager your pump. It might be easier goign with a petratop single pump mount. The DDC-2 has tons of flow, so i dont see the need for a second, unless your worried about failure.

Also keep an eye on that DDC-2. They get hot underside and need lots of air around them.


@Terentenet
Since your running the secondary componts, i think a fair estimate should say,

~ 32C on the system.
~ 33 idle on GFX cards /w 40ish MAX on loads on a 8800 series.

8800's get hot according to members, and you have that annoying IHS on the die. :T


But, my original statement doesnt apply to you because your not cooling the CPU. So that board will work out well. However, arent those blocks made of ALU?? can you check that out for me? if it is, were gonna have to work on coolant more then loop order. You need to match the coolant exactly or your gonna have a very very bad accident with the copper EK blocks + Alu NB blocks.

 

[shunail]

Hi aigomorla, I'm sorry that the link didn't work. Try this now:
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Reason why I'm asking for two pump is because this Lian-Li PC-V2100b Plus II is a HUGE case, and pump flowing all the way from the bottom to top... is it possible for a single pump??? Plus since THESE 8800GTS SLI heats up alot, I thought two radiator would be better to dissipate heat. Also I need advice which way these fans should be facing on radiator. And I am thinking about NOT laying these radiator (Thermochill 120.3 + Thermochill 120.2) rather stand them vertically on top of the case
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Again, you know better. I need advice.

 

[aigomorla]

umm... shunail.... what happened to your nb and sb blocks? and that thermochill, you should get 2 120.3's because the 120.3 isnt that much more expensive.

And that kind of setup would work okey. But not really super great. The second rad in that series is suposed to cool the heat collected from the cpu b4 it discharges into gpu. That was what i had planned out, and that is what ended up working well.

See take a look at this.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/FinalTemp.jpg


That came from:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/IMG_0574.jpg


i warn you, tubing can get really messy. And im almost about to lead you on to go dual loop style to save you some headaches if you plan to add nb, and sb. I went though pain so things wouldnt "clutter"

 

[terentenet]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
@Terentenet
Since your running the secondary componts, i think a fair estimate should say,

~ 32C on the system.
~ 33 idle on GFX cards /w 40ish MAX on loads on a 8800 series.

8800's get hot according to members, and you have that annoying IHS on the die. :T


But, my original statement doesnt apply to you because your not cooling the CPU. So that board will work out well. However, arent those blocks made of ALU?? can you check that out for me? if it is, were gonna have to work on coolant more then loop order. You need to match the coolant exactly or your gonna have a very very bad accident with the copper EK blocks + Alu NB blocks.

Aigomorla, by the weight and finish, the SB NB and Mosfet blocks are Nickel plated copper. They're on the heavy side, Alu is easy. So is the CPU block, but I will not use that.
Even if the 680i board blocks were Alu, the accident would be Alu blocks and copper rad, as I will run the board alone in a 2nd loop.

This is what I use.
1st loop:
Swiftech res
2 Laing DDC 18W pumps with Watercool top
2x120mm Black Ice Xtreme radiator
1/2" tubing
2xEK 8800GTX waterblocks

2nd loop:
1 Laing DDC Ultra with Alphacool top (waiting for it to arrive)
EVGA 680i BlackPearl SB, NB and Mosfet blocks
1x120mm Rad
This loop will run on thiner tubing, 1/4" or 3/8".
And a res of choice, I will figure that after I get the pump and besides, it's easier to get.

CPU cooled by Vapochill LS. Here's the cut for the vapo head. Users at Xtreme say it won't hold the overclocked quad core Kentsfield for more than a few months, but I will give it a try. If the Vapo can hold 3.6-4GHz, I'm happy with it.
I am not after the biggest overclock, I just want a cool and stable system.

My question was: will the radiators hold? 2x120mm Black Ice Xtreme 240 for the video cards and 1x120mm Black Ice Xtreme 120 for the motherboard?
I would like to fit bigger rads but I can't figure places to put them but outside the case and I don't want that. That's the most I can fit, Thermochill 120.2 wouldn't even fit where the Black Ice Xtreme 240 is. It's a tight fit.

 

[shunail]

well aigomorla, I didn't plan to put water blocks on MotherBoard, they will be air cooled. (MotherBoard) I'll put 2 40mm fans on the board plus I've Antec SpotCool for MotherBoard. If the system board doesn't go that hot, I'll leave it.
Since I don't have room for radiator inside the case, is it possible that I use Thermochill 120.2 for CPU alone and Thermochill 120.3 for 8800s? This reservoir has 2 inlet and 2 outlet, so both loop would use same reservoir. SO

Pump => CPU => Thermochill 120.2 ==> Reservoir (Top and bottom barbs).
Pump => 8800 GPU <=> 8800 GPU => Thermochill 120.3 ==>Reservoir (left and right barbs)

I know there will double tubes running but thats again my brainstorming. Any other plan or stick with original loop?

"Pump1 -> CPU RADIATOR -> CPU BLOCK -> PUMP2 -> GPU RADIATOR ->GPU BLOCK -> RES"

But in this case, I have to return Thermochill 120.2 and get Thin Radiator for CPU to install it inside the Case!!!

OH YEAH, BIG QUESTION, which coolant is better? Pentosin G12 or PrimoChill ICE Non-Conductive OR any other??

 

[terentenet]

Wouldn't a single res. with 2 in's and outs spoil the concept of 2 loops? I thought the point of using 2 loops is to completely separate the water circuit.

If the 8800's dump heat in the water and the water then mixes in the res and reaches the CPU, the CPU's temp will also rise, correct?
Why not use 2 reservoirs? They're cheap, small and easy to place anywhere inside the case.

 

[iscsidude]

Originally posted by: terentenet
Wouldn't a single res. with 2 in's and outs spoil the concept of 2 loops? I thought the point of using 2 loops is to completely separate the water circuit.

If the 8800's dump heat in the water and the water then mixes in the res and reaches the CPU, the CPU's temp will also rise, correct?
Why not use 2 reservoirs? They're cheap, small and easy to place anywhere inside the case.

It's an interesting conundrum. I'm in the process of setting up two loops with a common EK Reservoir. I'm thinking the higher temp loop will be cooled to match the lower temp loop. Then again, as you point out, the lower temp loop can also be viewed as running at a higher temp.

I guess I won't know, until it is complete, if the "average temp" concept has any merit.

 

[aigomorla]

shunail. I suggest you either do it the traditional way. Or try to loop it up my way.

My reason is because, even my way will give you a lot of clutter. If you try it your way, your goign to have even more clutter and you'll see tubing will become a serious headache.

I suggest around 15 feet of tubing. You'll maybe end up with 3-4 feet shy after looping it.


Terentenet. : i suggest you pull out a dremel, and try to drop in a 120.2 thermochill. Thats your quietest solution. As for double mounting GTX, the swiftech radiator quiet series is better.

And ive said this again, a single thermochill is not too much on a system like that. You just need better flow, and stronger fans. Thats all. The second radiator or larger class radiator is more intended for quieter cooling.


Thermochill PA120.2 is almost as good as the other competitors 120.3

Thtas why i am saying this. a 120.3 would probably be almost as = as the 120x4 from blackice.

 

[terentenet]

I'm preety sure that's going to happen, the cooler loop will cool the warm loop and the warm loop will warm the cooler loop. Temperature will be average.
I am curious if any of you guys can separate the loops, get temps for both loops and then use the EK res and see what changes.
I think it won't make a huge difference, maybe not even a big difference. But a few degrees difference should be spotted.

 

[iscsidude]

Yeah. That's what I'm thinking as well. Since one loop will only be cooling my NB and SB on a 120.2, it will likely be putting cooler water in the res than the CPU/GPU loop being cooled by the 120.3.

Time will tell.

 

[terentenet]

Aigomola, we posted the same time. The project is too advanced right now, getting a Thermochill 120.2 would need a few weeks.
I will make the 2 loops with what I have right now. If I'm not satisfied with the performance, I will get the Thermochills. Both. 120.1 and 120.2 for the 2 loops.
Problem is, Thermochill 120.2 is quite bigger than BIX II. I'm talking 3.1cm longer (1.22")
BIX II is 273.4 x 133 x 40 mm
Thermochill is 304 x 128 x 61 mm

Yes, that's the Thermochill advantage. Much thicker. 50% thicker. Too bad it won't fit.

Check this picture. I only have 1-1.5cm (allmost 0.5") between the videocard and the BIX II. Which means the Thermochill won't fit.
I can take the dremel out, but only to cut about 2cm out of the video card. Why do they make all these high end video cards so big?

 

[MotF Bane]

Terentent, they make the high video cards huge as part of a conspiracy. This way, you need to buy a bigger case to fit the radiator and the video card. Then you buy the huge radiator. Then you decide you can cool more, and add something else.... then they got rich.

Anyways. Does anybody know a good way to find out temperature of the water in a cooling loop? I have an infrared thermometer, I was wondering if there was a formula of some sort to compensate for the tubing?

 

[iscsidude]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Anyways. Does anybody know a good way to find out temperature of the water in a cooling loop? I have an infrared thermometer, I was wondering if there was a formula of some sort to compensate for the tubing?

I use a temp probe like this hooked to a bigNG controller found here.

 

[terentenet]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Terentent, they make the high video cards huge as part of a conspiracy. This way, you need to buy a bigger case to fit the radiator and the video card. Then you buy the huge radiator. Then you decide you can cool more, and add something else.... then they got rich.

Anyways. Does anybody know a good way to find out temperature of the water in a cooling loop? I have an infrared thermometer, I was wondering if there was a formula of some sort to compensate for the tubing?

What bigger case? All these components must go inside a Lian Li V2000B Plus II. A Vapochill LS unit is down, water cooling must be all in the upper section.
The only bigger cases I know are Lian Li Cube and that's nowhere to be found and TT Mozart TX. But TT is nowhere near Lian Li's quality and it's also hard to find where I live.

 

[MotF Bane]

Sorry Terentenet, the first paragraph of my post was being humorous. I have no idea how to fit all that stuff in there. Maybe modify the forward drive rack, give it a cutout for the video card?

 

[shunail]

Here are the pics of my case and Thermochill 120.3.
http://picasaweb.google.com/shunail/Setup

With this room within the case, I want to setup Thermochill 120.3 + Thermochill 120.2 + 2Pumps + CPU block + 8800GTS SLI block + reservoir. I was wondering placing Thermochill 120.3 on top of the case (and if possible Thermochill 120.2 as well, parallel to each other)!!! Aigomorla is our mentor.

And final question, is pentosin G12 a good coolant or should I be looking for some other coolant like primochill.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Terentent, they make the high video cards huge as part of a conspiracy. This way, you need to buy a bigger case to fit the radiator and the video card. Then you buy the huge radiator. Then you decide you can cool more, and add something else.... then they got rich.

Anyways. Does anybody know a good way to find out temperature of the water in a cooling loop? I have an infrared thermometer, I was wondering if there was a formula of some sort to compensate for the tubing?

http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=48

 

[shunail]

HELP Aigomaorla, if this won't work, I might commit suicide!!
Did you see my case and Radiator pic I uploaded. With that in mind, if you can PLEASE tell me how to setup, I'm starting installing board, CPU and GPU tonight whatever I could and wait till Monday for second Radiator (Thermochill 120.2) to arrive. I'm so much worried right now. I want to do this now once and last FINAL time!!! no more disassembling. Ordered extra parts, extra accessories just in case I won't run short (ofcourse I'll return left overs). PLEASE HELP. I'm already feeling fritz in my stomach.

 

[Billb2]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Billb2
Another option for multiple pumps/Rads is to put just a pump and a Rad on a bypass loop. You still get all the cooling from the Rad, but no restriction from the rest of the loop. And you can use a smaller pump since it only has to pump through a single Rad. You can also shut down the pump and fans on the bypass loop if it's extra cooling is not required at any particular time.

I heard that can cause pressure issues and also damage your second pump. However im not 100% sure on this.

....... So can you verify this please?

....And to those who are reading this, the DDC-2 pump, which shunail linked, is currently the king in DC pumps. There is no pump stronger on the market you can buy. Get the petrastech DDC-T01 top, to compliment it, and the thing will push water much greater then even the D5, aka 655.

Sorry, late reply.......

No, you misunderstand. The pumps are not in series or parallel. They are on two separate loops.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8974/duallooptl7.jpg

I find that the "bypass" loop (2 x 120 rad with two 190CFM fans) greatly increaces cooling and that the 3 x 120 rad loop (with a quiet 450CFM blower...not a fan...) works great maintaining my "everyday" overclock with an FX57 @ 3.0ghz, 1.5v and 2 x 6800GT @ 425/1.15


Note that the Ehein (1048) pump does pump through the non running Iwaki when the Eheim is the only pump on. And no, the Eheim (even though on a loop with a great rad...BIX3, with alot of air going through it) is not enough cooling for hard overclocks.

As for pumps, the Iwaki MD20RZT is still king..though it is a 110v pump.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Billb2

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Billb2
Another option for multiple pumps/Rads is to put just a pump and a Rad on a bypass loop. You still get all the cooling from the Rad, but no restriction from the rest of the loop. And you can use a smaller pump since it only has to pump through a single Rad. You can also shut down the pump and fans on the bypass loop if it's extra cooling is not required at any particular time.

I heard that can cause pressure issues and also damage your second pump. However im not 100% sure on this.

....... So can you verify this please?

....And to those who are reading this, the DDC-2 pump, which shunail linked, is currently the king in DC pumps. There is no pump stronger on the market you can buy. Get the petrastech DDC-T01 top, to compliment it, and the thing will push water much greater then even the D5, aka 655.

Sorry, late reply.......

No, you misunderstand. The pumps are not in series or parallel. They are on two separate loops.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8974/duallooptl7.jpg

I find that the "bypass" loop (2 x 120 rad with two 190CFM fans) greatly increaces cooling and that the 3 x 120 rad loop (with a quiet 450CFM blower...not a fan...) works great maintaining my "everyday" overclock with an FX57 @ 3.0ghz, 1.5v and 2 x 6800GT @ 425/1.15


Note that the Ehein (1048) pump does pump through the non running Iwaki when the Eheim is the only pump on. And no, the Eheim (even though on a loop with a great rad...BIX3, with alot of air going through it) is not enough cooling for hard overclocks.

As for pumps, the Iwaki MD20RZT is still king..though it is a 110v pump.

hmmmm 1 cpu + 2 gpus and your requiring a second radiator on a PA120.3??

oh man if marci gets a wind of this post, he's gonna shoot me. BillB if you have watercooling experience, it might be in your best interest to seperate the loops out to cpu and gpu.


okey i have to get back to you guys. i need to ask marci what the max cooling is on a thermochill.

Im thinkn he's gonna definitely say you guys are insane. Shunail, i told you also the second radiator wont help cpu temps much. Its more aimed at your gpu performance. Which is something you wanted.

 

[Billb2]

[[/quote]hmmmm 1 cpu + 2 gpus and your requiring a second radiator on a PA120.3??

oh man if marci gets a wind of this post, he's gonna shoot me. BillB if you have watercooling experience, it might be in your best interest to seperate the loops out to cpu and gpu. [/quote]

The purpose of this setup is twofold:
Max cooling with water. 830 CFM and 3 GPM...louder than most vacuum cleaners! With max cooling an FX57 @3.15ghz, 1.55v runs load temp of 40*c. GPUs (6800s @ 450/1200 stay under 70*c loaded.
Quiet everyday operation...0.5 GPM and a relatively quiet blower at 450 CFM. An everyday OC of 3.0 GHZ/1.4v and GPUs @ 425/1150 is quiet enough for me.

It's kind of a two speed cooling setup.

And, yeah, I could put in two loops with Sanyos or Yates, but ther'd be no more 1.55v!