Next election, will you trust major media and polls?

[Bowfinger]

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12063
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/23958
Wrong again douchenozzle

OK, Speedy, I'll play along. The Clinton campaign hosted a couple of dinners with reporters who would be embedded in her campaign for the next year-plus. What, exactly, do you find scandalous about this?

 

[fskimospy]

I don't know if right leaning news sources do the same exact thing. Is there evidence of this? I'd love to see some.

The thing is that there's clear evidence of this happening from the Podesta leaks and the dirt that project veritas dug up, about shipping buses full of people around voting stations, and paying mentally ill people to start fights at Trump rallies. I mean we have video evidence of this and the MSM wont touch it at all. I don't know how you trust that?

We shouldn't accept this kind of stuff from either side and we should take them to task when there's evidence for it and not just accept it as OK because both sides do it. It's why more people are going to alternative media for news.

What on earth is wrong with bussing people to voting stations?

You realize that 'project Veritas' has a long and documented history of making false and misleading videos, right?

 

[Bowfinger]

I don't know if right leaning news sources do the same exact thing. Is there evidence of this? I'd love to see some.

The thing is that there's clear evidence of this happening from the Podesta leaks and the dirt that project veritas dug up, about shipping buses full of people around voting stations, and paying mentally ill people to start fights at Trump rallies. I mean we have video evidence of this and the MSM wont touch it at all. I don't know how you trust that?

We shouldn't accept this kind of stuff from either side and we should take them to task when there's evidence for it and not just accept it as OK because both sides do it. It's why more people are going to alternative media for news.

😀 Do you realize that "Project Veritas" is James O'Keefe's organization? James O'Keefe is a professional right-wing hack and convicted criminal who has a long history of creating fraudulent videos to attack the left. Every time he's been legally compelled to produce the full, unedited video of his stories, he's been exposed as a liar. In short, don't believe everything you see on YouTube. Most of it is crap. And don't believe anything from James O'Keefe. He lies for a living.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

What on earth is wrong with bussing people to voting stations?

You realize that 'project Veritas' has a long and documented history of making false and misleading videos, right?

Dems admitted to busing the same people around to different polling stations in the same area, i.e voting fraud.

😀 Do you realize that "Project Veritas" is James O'Keefe's organization? James O'Keefe is a professional right-wing hack and convicted criminal who has a long history of creating fraudulent videos to attack the left. Every time he's been legally compelled to produce the full, unedited video of his stories, he's been exposed as a liar. In short, don't believe everything you see on YouTube. Most of it is crap. And don't believe anything from James O'Keefe. He lies for a living.

Yes I know that.

The videos speak for themselves, if there's evidence they're doctored or manipulated or false then present it.

 

[agent00f]

Dems admitted to busing the same people around to different polling stations in the same area, i.e voting fraud.



Yes I know that.

The videos speak for themselves, if there's evidence they're doctored or manipulated or false then present it.

Let's not pretend you give a shit whether it's true or not. In fact let's generalize it to the astute observation that lying in service of a greater cause doesn't bother your sort.

Does god forgive you in this specific case or some other excuse? Serious question.

 

[Kazukian]

Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.

“It was like a f–ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.

“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.

“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

A second source confirmed the fireworks.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

He's got a point. Would have loved to see that.

 

[agent00f]

Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.

“It was like a f–ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.

“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.

“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

A second source confirmed the fireworks.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

He's got a point. Would have loved to see that.

Fascist baby's first steps to neutralize the threat of journalism.

 

[Grooveriding]

Batshit crazy insecure manchild. Dark times for Americans with this President. Vilifying the entire media ahead of time to further neutralize them in the minds of his drones.

White House press conferences: only Breitbart and Infowars allowed.

 

[raildogg]

Is this the same media that covered Trump more than anything else for the past 1+ year? Do we trust them? Well, maybe there is more to the story, so to speak.

Question: Do you think that this vast government we have will truly allow the media to be fully independent? Do you think this vast corporate influence will allow the media to be fully independent?

Behind the scenes, there are a lot of influences we may not realize. Things don't just happen all of a sudden in this country. Everything is planned out.

 

[fskimospy]

Dems admitted to busing the same people around to different polling stations in the same area, i.e voting fraud.

Nope, the video most certainly did not do that. Snopes is your friend, they will keep you from being duped by unscrupulous people like O'Keefe.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/

He is taking advantage of you.

Yes I know that.

The videos speak for themselves, if there's evidence they're doctored or manipulated or false then present it.

They have literally been busted manipulating video multiple times in the past. They have lost the presumption of innocence.

 

[fskimospy]

Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.

“It was like a f–ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.

“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.

“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

A second source confirmed the fireworks.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

He's got a point. Would have loved to see that.

Kind of amazing that one of the most prolific liars in US political history would have the gall to accuse others of lying, huh?

Pretty funny.

 

[agent00f]

Kind of amazing that one of the most prolific liars in US political history would have the gall to accuse others of lying, huh?

Pretty funny.

Their lies are for a good cause.

 

[shady28]

Get used to it libs. MSM has largely discredited themselves.

Trump is going to crush the MSM outlets that tried to subvert the election via their propaganda. He will do it easily by simply giving them no access. And they deserve no access, why would he provide any?

Fox is going to be a giant when it's all said and done.

CNN + MSNBC + HLN combined are barely maintaining 2/3 what Fox's audience size is for the past couple of weeks.

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/category/ratings

Total Viewers (Live +SD)

• Total day: FNC: 2.172 | CNN: 729 | MSNBC: 672 | HLN: 222
• Primetime: FNC: 3.479 | CNN: 906 | MSNBC: 1.205| HLN: 308

 

[Bowfinger]

The videos speak for themselves,

Right. Hey, I saw this video of a poor astronaut who was stranded on Mars and had to eat potatoes. The video speaks for itself, right? I saw a video of a tornado full of sharks. The video speaks for itself, right? And let's not forget the videos about our President, Frank Underwood. The videos speak for themselves, right?

Or, more to the point, I saw a video of a guy who dressed up in a ridiculous pimp costume to visit ACORN offices. Those videos spoke for themselves, right? (Never mind that O'Keefe faked it, or that he lost at least two lawsuits for those fraudulent videos.) Don't be a chump. Videos show you exactly what their producers want them to show you.

if there's evidence they're doctored or manipulated or false then present it.

I'd be happy to. You just need to get O'Keefe to release the full, unedited video. For some odd reason, he doesn't want to do that. Why do you suppose that is? (Here's where you put on your critical thinking cap and recognize it is likely O'Keefe is hiding his raw footage because it will expose his fraud ... just like last time.)

 

[Kazukian]

The current O'Keef videos resulted in 2 people being fired almost immediately.

 

[fskimospy]

Get used to it libs. MSM has largely discredited themselves.

Trump is going to crush the MSM outlets that tried to subvert the election via their propaganda. He will do it easily by simply giving them no access. And they deserve no access, why would he provide any?

Fox is going to be a giant when it's all said and done.

CNN + MSNBC + HLN combined are barely maintaining 2/3 what Fox's audience size is for the past couple of weeks.

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/category/ratings

Total Viewers (Live +SD)

• Total day: FNC: 2.172 | CNN: 729 | MSNBC: 672 | HLN: 222
• Primetime: FNC: 3.479 | CNN: 906 | MSNBC: 1.205| HLN: 308

This is a deeply weird post. Even if everything you say would happen it would be a terrible thing.

It's things like this that show how sick our discourse has become.

 

[fskimospy]

The current O'Keef videos resulted in 2 people being fired almost immediately.

Previous O'Keefe videos also resulted in people being fired, only to find out that he had deceptively manipulated those videos.

It's ironic to see people who complain about the media lying to embrace someone who has been repeatedly outed as a liar.

 

[raildogg]

The people of this country will fall for another person (or the same one) just like this time. I mean, we are trained at an early age to pick sides and support that side. Look at how supporters of politicians behave.

When their leader wins, they feel victorious - as if they had won. When their leader loses, they feel as though they have lost. They identify with some unknown person with whom they form this so-called bond with. The bond may be totally empty but people need to follow a leader. We are taught that.

When will people realize that picking political sides is like picking sports teams?

And please, don't give that story that Trump is any worse than anyone else. Half of you believe that and the other don't.

 

[agent00f]

The people of this country will fall for another person (or the same one) just like this time. I mean, we are trained at an early age to pick sides and support that side. Look at how supporters of politicians behave.

When their leader wins, they feel victorious - as if they had won. When their leader loses, they feel as though they have lost. They identify with some unknown person with whom they form this so-called bond with. The bond may be totally empty but people need to follow a leader. We are taught that.

When will people realize that picking political sides is like picking sports teams?

And please, don't give that story that Trump is any worse than anyone else. Half of you believe that and the other don't.

I think ethnocentric fascism is worse than liberal democracy.

 

[shady28]

This is a deeply weird post. Even if everything you say would happen it would be a terrible thing.

It's things like this that show how sick our discourse has become.

Is it? It's just horrible when the POTUS you don't like won't give access to hacks that work for his political rivals, isn't it?

So, where was your indignation at the IRS being used to harass their political enemies? Something that was not revealed until after the election, even though the IG was required by law to inform congress within 7 days.

How about Harry Reid? You know, the lying shit-bag Democrat leader in the Senate.

He lied about Romney just before the election in 2012 - intentionally. It's proven, and Reid bragged about it.

But excuse me, do tell me about the injustices of lefty lying press not having access.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid#Mitt_Romney

During the summer of 2012, Reid said during an interview with The Huffington Post that he had received information from an unidentified investor in Bain Capital that presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney did not pay any taxes for 10 years.[62] The accusation was repeated on the Senate floor by Reid on August 2, 2012.[63][64] According to CBS News, Romney stated, "Let me also say, categorically, I have paid taxes every year -- and a lot of taxes. So Harry is simply wrong." PolitiFact.com's Truth-O-Meter rated the accusation as "Pants on Fire!"[65] The Washington Post's Fact Checker gave it "Four Pinnocchios".[66] CBS reported that Romney had submitted 23 years of tax returns to the John McCain campaign in 2008, when he was being vetted for the vice presidential nomination. McCain said, "[n]othing in these tax returns showed that he did not pay taxes."[67] After the election, Reid called the attack "one of the best things I've ever done".[66]​

Lets we forget @ the IRS - planting questions in a congressional testimony, really :

"In early May 2013, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration released an audit report confirming that the IRS used inappropriate criteria to identify potential political cases, including organizations with Tea Party in their names.[7]

On May 10, in advance of the public release of the audit findings, Director of the IRS Exempt Organizations division Lois Lerner answered what was later revealed to be a planted question by stating that the IRS was "apologetic" for what she termed "absolutely inappropriate" actions.[71] (Lerner's superior, then-Acting IRS Commissioner Steven Miller, later testified to Congress that he had discussed with Lerner how she was to make the revelation and apology using a planted question at a meeting of the American Bar Association rather than during an appearance two days earlier before the House Ways & Means Committee in Congress.)[72] She asserted that the extra scrutiny had not been centrally planned and had been done by lower-level "front line people" in the Cincinnati office.[73] Media reports soon revealed that IRS officials in two other regional offices had also been involved in scrutinizing conservative groups and that selected applicants said that they had been told their applications were being overseen by a task force in Washington, D.C.[38] The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration report showed that Lerner herself had been informed of the affair at a meeting that she had attended on June 29, 2011.[7][74]"​

 

[agent00f]

Is it? It's just horrible when the POTUS you don't like won't give access to hacks that work for his political rivals, isn't it?

So, where was your indignation at the IRS being used to harass their political enemies? Something that was not revealed until after the election, even though the IG was required by law to inform congress within 7 days.

How about Harry Reid? You know, the lying shit-bag Democrat leader in the Senate.

He lied about Romney just before the election in 2012 - intentionally. It's proven, and Reid bragged about it.

But excuse me, do tell me about the injustices of lefty lying press not having access.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid#Mitt_Romney

During the summer of 2012, Reid said during an interview with The Huffington Post that he had received information from an unidentified investor in Bain Capital that presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney did not pay any taxes for 10 years.[62] The accusation was repeated on the Senate floor by Reid on August 2, 2012.[63][64] According to CBS News, Romney stated, "Let me also say, categorically, I have paid taxes every year -- and a lot of taxes. So Harry is simply wrong." PolitiFact.com's Truth-O-Meter rated the accusation as "Pants on Fire!"[65] The Washington Post's Fact Checker gave it "Four Pinnocchios".[66] CBS reported that Romney had submitted 23 years of tax returns to the John McCain campaign in 2008, when he was being vetted for the vice presidential nomination. McCain said, "[n]othing in these tax returns showed that he did not pay taxes."[67] After the election, Reid called the attack "one of the best things I've ever done".[66]​

Lets we forget @ the IRS - planting questions in a congressional testimony, really :

"In early May 2013, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration released an audit report confirming that the IRS used inappropriate criteria to identify potential political cases, including organizations with Tea Party in their names.[7]

On May 10, in advance of the public release of the audit findings, Director of the IRS Exempt Organizations division Lois Lerner answered what was later revealed to be a planted question by stating that the IRS was "apologetic" for what she termed "absolutely inappropriate" actions.[71] (Lerner's superior, then-Acting IRS Commissioner Steven Miller, later testified to Congress that he had discussed with Lerner how she was to make the revelation and apology using a planted question at a meeting of the American Bar Association rather than during an appearance two days earlier before the House Ways & Means Committee in Congress.)[72] She asserted that the extra scrutiny had not been centrally planned and had been done by lower-level "front line people" in the Cincinnati office.[73] Media reports soon revealed that IRS officials in two other regional offices had also been involved in scrutinizing conservative groups and that selected applicants said that they had been told their applications were being overseen by a task force in Washington, D.C.[38] The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration report showed that Lerner herself had been informed of the affair at a meeting that she had attended on June 29, 2011.[7][74]"​

Head ups that proclaiming lying to be a dirty deed is disadvantageous to your cause.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

"Snopes is your friend" LMAO. Yes, if you're an establishment Democrat, a left of center political hack, a bed wetting liberal, then the new SNOPES is your friend.

 

[MrSquished]

Is it? It's just horrible when the POTUS you don't like won't give access to hacks that work for his political rivals, isn't it?

So, where was your indignation at the IRS being used to harass their political enemies? Something that was not revealed until after the election, even though the IG was required by law to inform congress within 7 days.

How about Harry Reid? You know, the lying shit-bag Democrat leader in the Senate.

He lied about Romney just before the election in 2012 - intentionally. It's proven, and Reid bragged about it.

But excuse me, do tell me about the injustices of lefty lying press not having access.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid#Mitt_Romney

During the summer of 2012, Reid said during an interview with The Huffington Post that he had received information from an unidentified investor in Bain Capital that presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney did not pay any taxes for 10 years.[62] The accusation was repeated on the Senate floor by Reid on August 2, 2012.[63][64] According to CBS News, Romney stated, "Let me also say, categorically, I have paid taxes every year -- and a lot of taxes. So Harry is simply wrong." PolitiFact.com's Truth-O-Meter rated the accusation as "Pants on Fire!"[65] The Washington Post's Fact Checker gave it "Four Pinnocchios".[66] CBS reported that Romney had submitted 23 years of tax returns to the John McCain campaign in 2008, when he was being vetted for the vice presidential nomination. McCain said, "[n]othing in these tax returns showed that he did not pay taxes."[67] After the election, Reid called the attack "one of the best things I've ever done".[66]​

Lets we forget @ the IRS - planting questions in a congressional testimony, really :

"In early May 2013, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration released an audit report confirming that the IRS used inappropriate criteria to identify potential political cases, including organizations with Tea Party in their names.[7]

On May 10, in advance of the public release of the audit findings, Director of the IRS Exempt Organizations division Lois Lerner answered what was later revealed to be a planted question by stating that the IRS was "apologetic" for what she termed "absolutely inappropriate" actions.[71] (Lerner's superior, then-Acting IRS Commissioner Steven Miller, later testified to Congress that he had discussed with Lerner how she was to make the revelation and apology using a planted question at a meeting of the American Bar Association rather than during an appearance two days earlier before the House Ways & Means Committee in Congress.)[72] She asserted that the extra scrutiny had not been centrally planned and had been done by lower-level "front line people" in the Cincinnati office.[73] Media reports soon revealed that IRS officials in two other regional offices had also been involved in scrutinizing conservative groups and that selected applicants said that they had been told their applications were being overseen by a task force in Washington, D.C.[38] The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration report showed that Lerner herself had been informed of the affair at a meeting that she had attended on June 29, 2011.[7][74]"​

Your links suck. Your link to the Huffington Post does not go to a relevant article, just the generic HuffPo Wiki page. Same for your Washington Post link and Politifact link. I quit after that. Then I went to your original Wiki link and tried from there. Same shit. Seems neither you nor your source can actually link an actual goddamn article to prove your points.

Don't quit your dayjob.

 

[shady28]

Your links suck. Your link to the Huffington Post does not go to a relevant article, just the generic HuffPo Wiki page. Same for your Washington Post link and Politifact link. I quit after that. Then I went to your original Wiki link and tried from there. Same shit. Seems neither you nor your source can actually link an actual goddamn article to prove your points.

Don't quit your dayjob.

That's a cut and paste from Wikipedia dipshit.

Wikipedia has references. It's not my job to educate lazy morons on how to follow annotations, but here is the HuffPo article with the lie (ref #62 off the Wikipedia article) :

Harry Reid: Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney ‘Didn’t Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years’

Here's the WaPo article about Reid's pride about his lie :

Harry Reid lied about Mitt Romney’s taxes. He’s still not sorry.

 

[MrSquished]

That's a cut and paste from Wikipedia dipshit.

Wikipedia has references. It's not my job to educate lazy morons on how to follow annotations, but here is the HuffPo article with the lie (ref #62 off the Wikipedia article) :

Harry Reid: Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney ‘Didn’t Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years’

Here's the WaPo article about Reid's pride about his lie :

Harry Reid lied about Mitt Romney’s taxes. He’s still not sorry.

I appreciate you using proper media sources such as WaPo and HuffPo. So Harry Reid lies sometimes. About 2 years of Romney's taxes, while Romney refused to release more info. I was never much of a Harry Reid fan, he was always kind of a pussy. I'd take Harry Reid over Mitch McConnell any day of the week though and twice on sundays and I wouldn't like it very much, but I'd take it cause the Plan B is far worse. When you are talking about politicians, it's about taking one liar over the other. You gotta pick your poison.

Compared to Trump, Harry Reid is a pristine angel. Baggage and all.