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dangerman1337

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Oh lawd here some rumors:

unannounced, sources who have seen the game in action tell Kotaku that the next Call of Duty will be a Modern Warfare 3 that pushes the bar on what people have come to expect from the series. And it hits this fall.

The yet-to-be announced sequel is under development by Infinity Ward, though a swath of those developers left the company in a civil-litigation uprising last year. The team is being assisted by newly minted Activision studio Sledgehammer Games, we're told. We've also heard that Raven Software may be involved.


The Call of Duty series has long alternated between two sets of stories and timelines. The games made by Treyarch have typically been set during the events of World War II, though last year's Call of Duty: Black Ops moved the setting to the Cold War of the 1960s. Starting with 2007's Modern Warfare, Infinity Ward's Call of Duties all took place in a modern day setting.


In the original Modern Warfare, a civil war breaks out in the Russia of 2011. The story continues in Modern Warfare 2, which has a terrorist attack in Russia erroneously linked to the United States. That leads Russian forces to invade the U.S. Some of the missions even feature rolling ground combat in the Washington, D.C. suburbs of Virginia and in the capital itself.






Key to the near ending of Modern Warfare 2, was the detonation of a nuclear missile in the upper atmosphere above the Mid-Atlantic, something that creates an electromagnetic pulse that destroyed all electronic equipment on both sides of the raging war in D.C. Such an event would cripple the area in the short term, essentially removing the ability to use most technology in the region as the country tries to rebuild or bring in support from other parts of the country. It also seems that it could make the story a hard one to follow in a modern day shooter.
But our sources tell us Modern Warfare 3 will continue along that storyline, delivering a "world in crisis" feel to the aftermath of the U.S. invasion. However, it looks like it won't be another take on Red Dawn, a post-U.S. invasion storyline already explored by Homefront. While it's unclear where specifically the game will be set, Modern Warfare 3 will have a urban setting, much like the U.S. missions in Modern Warfare 2, with military vehicles, including tanks, rolling through suburban streets.
The story may also include prominent characters from Modern Warfare 2, like Captain John "Soap" MacTavish and Captain John Price. Modern Warfare 2 ended with Price, Soap and a Russian informant codenamed Nikolai on the run as international fugitives following their killing of Lieutenant General Shepherd.


The biggest shift for the game appears to be in its breadth. We're told that Modern Warfare 3 will take place on a much larger, epic scale. It appears the game will explore the lead up to a blossoming set of engagements that could pull in other countries, creating a potential World War III scenario. The game will also feature large, urban destructible environments.

The focus on larger maps and destructible environments brings to mind competitor Electronic Arts' Battlefield series which made a name for itself with those two keystones. Battlefield 3 is also set for a 2011 fall release, meaning the two games could in theory be vying directly with one another for gamers' attention. Battlefield 3, as shown by EA in previous events this year, will take place in a modern setting and feature large maps and destructible environments.
We expect to hear more about the Call of Duty series and Modern Warfare 3 this summer during the annual E3 trade show.
http://kotaku.com/5800337/modern-warfare-3-to-feature-bigger-story-more-destruction-this-fall

Possibly fake but i'll leave it here...
 

Duder1no

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I wish they would stop charging $15 for map packs. $5 seems reasonable to me, more than that is ridiculous. The next map pack for BO will only have 4 maps, and some crappy zombie mode...

this

i felt cheated after i bought the first BO map pack, too little value for the dollar cost
 

dpodblood

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this

i felt cheated after i bought the first BO map pack, too little value for the dollar cost

I only bought it because I was continually getting kicked for not having the maps. Of course now that I bought the map pack those maps hardly ever show up in the rotation...
 

Oyeve

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After the crap that was called black ops I think I will pass. COD is becoming rockband/guitar hero. A new version every couple of months.
 

Pr0d1gy

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What do they offer that they could charge a sub for? WE HOST the games, not them. It would be one thing if they actually put up dedicated servers and had anti-cheat code/mods, along with consistent content additions; but as it is they do nothing to warrant a sub fee at all.

That said, I would urge you all to get BF3 instead of CoD this year or you will be disappointed.

pr0d1gy
 

BD2003

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I'm interested to see what they have to show. I pretty much downright refuse to pay a monthly fee for standard MP, and it doesn't sound like they're doing that.

OTOH, I'm more than willing to pay for something worth paying for. $15 seems a lot for the maps, but I get so much enjoyment out of them I can't really complain too much.

Whatever it is, if it makes it more difficult to play with friends that don't sign up for the service, then it's a non starter. If it fucks with the balance, it may even kill the entire series going forward.

That being said, I'm still looking forward to e3 to find out some of what they've done with the next CoD. IMO theyre still at the top of their game. Black Ops has held up generally well since launch..I hope they take those balance improvements and incorporate them into mw3.

BF3 shows promise but time and time again EA and DICE gave failed to fully deliver on that promise. It could usher in a new era of FPS gaming. Or it could be another buggy release that EA and the BF series are known for. EA is also no stranger to micro transactions, subscription fees or high pricing for map packs. I remember how they ruined BF2 for me when I didn't DL the first expansion with it's new super weapons and proceeded to be raped by everyone who did.

So before you get entirely on that BF3 train, keep in mind that everything you're afraid activision will do to COD, EA has already done with past BF games on the PC.
 
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So before you get entirely on that BF3 train, keep in mind that everything you're afraid activision will do to COD, EA has already done with past BF games on the PC.

That's the damn truth.

For me, I think it's quite obvious that they aren't going to charge for multiplayer, but I'm wondering if they'll charge for weapons and possibly other stuff that will directly affect gameplay. Could you imagine the outrage if they offered an extra nade slot for $5? Or even better, charge $5 for an extra nade slot just for your next 20 matches. :D
 

nvidiaintelftw

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yeahhh no. im not getting it. Battlefield 3 all the way!

The next Campers of Duty will probably be pay to play as well if you guys haven't heard. Activision is following in Blizzards footsteps and may charge monthly for online play
 

nvidiaintelftw

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I'm interested to see what they have to show. I pretty much downright refuse to pay a monthly fee for standard MP, and it doesn't sound like they're doing that.

OTOH, I'm more than willing to pay for something worth paying for. $15 seems a lot for the maps, but I get so much enjoyment out of them I can't really complain too much.

Whatever it is, if it makes it more difficult to play with friends that don't sign up for the service, then it's a non starter. If it fucks with the balance, it may even kill the entire series going forward.

That being said, I'm still looking forward to e3 to find out some of what they've done with the next CoD. IMO theyre still at the top of their game. Black Ops has held up generally well since launch..I hope they take those balance improvements and incorporate them into mw3.

BF3 shows promise but time and time again EA and DICE gave failed to fully deliver on that promise. It could usher in a new era of FPS gaming. Or it could be another buggy release that EA and the BF series are known for. EA is also no stranger to micro transactions, subscription fees or high pricing for map packs. I remember how they ruined BF2 for me when I didn't DL the first expansion with it's new super weapons and proceeded to be raped by everyone who did.

So before you get entirely on that BF3 train, keep in mind that everything you're afraid activision will do to COD, EA has already done with past BF games on the PC.

the whole balancing aspect of CoD has been fucked up since CoD4 really. Kill Streaks set off the fact that CoD is unbalanced and really a game for campers since people can just camp pick off a few kills and drop and air strike on their spawn.

Its not th PC fact that Activision fucked us over, its the whole idea that CoD is an over done series and it really needs to die off. Activision should work on something new, instead of released rehashed/reskinned games every year over saturating the market
 
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AstroManLuca

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the whole balancing aspect of CoD has been fucked up since CoD4 really. Kill Streaks set off the fact that CoD is unbalanced and really a game for campers since people can just camp pick off a few kills and drop and air strike on their spawn.

Its not th PC fact that Activision fucked us over, its the whole idea that CoD is an over done series and it really needs to die off. Activision should work on something new, instead of released rehashed/reskinned games every year over saturating the market

Yeah, I think most of the people saying they won't buy another CoD game don't feel that way because Activision wants to find ways to incorporate more paid content into the games. It's a convenient excuse but the real reason is that Call of Duty is played out. It's been the same game for several installments now.

I jumped off the endless Call of Duty treadmill a long time ago.
 

digiram

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the whole balancing aspect of CoD has been fucked up since CoD4 really. Kill Streaks set off the fact that CoD is unbalanced and really a game for campers since people can just camp pick off a few kills and drop and air strike on their spawn.

Why is it that people think that campers are the only ones that get to killstreaks. People have this concept that if you're not running around and dying, you're a camper. WTF?? There are so many ways to play the game. I get to the high killstreaks pretty often. Sometimes I camp, sometime I flank, sometimes I noob tube. The game is quite balanced if you ask me. Everyone has access to the same perks, guns, ks, etc. Except for newbies, but a lot of vets prestige and that forces them to start from scratch as well.
 
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This is way off topic, but if somebody is camping and you can't seem to figure out how to kill them even though they aren't moving per your definition of "camping", then you are the one who fails, not them.

Anyway, back on topic, I fully expect to see paid camo, skins, and novelty stuff, very much akin to what other games have been doing (i.e. TF2 on the PC). I'm not sure if they'll dive into weapon purchases or subscription-type services quite yet, but I'd imagine they'll ease it in at a later time.
 

AstroManLuca

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This is way off topic, but if somebody is camping and you can't seem to figure out how to kill them even though they aren't moving per your definition of "camping", then you are the one who fails, not them.

Anyway, back on topic, I fully expect to see paid camo, skins, and novelty stuff, very much akin to what other games have been doing (i.e. TF2 on the PC). I'm not sure if they'll dive into weapon purchases or subscription-type services quite yet, but I'd imagine they'll ease it in at a later time.

I think the important thing is that people who pay can't be given an advantage over people who don't. At most, allowing you to purchase unlockable items might be okay, but only if you can unlock them by playing as well. I'd really prefer they stick to cosmetic paid stuff like camos, skins, etc. And some things shouldn't be purchasable, like upgraded perks.

Think of League of Legends. Most things can be purchased either with real money ("Riot Points") or by just playing enough ("Influence Points"). The only things that you can only buy with real money are skins, while you can only buy runes (which affect the game) with IP. You can get some things faster by paying, but those things that can give players a serious advantage (runes) must be unlocked by just playing a lot.
 

nvidiaintelftw

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This is way off topic, but if somebody is camping and you can't seem to figure out how to kill them even though they aren't moving per your definition of "camping", then you are the one who fails, not them.

Anyway, back on topic, I fully expect to see paid camo, skins, and novelty stuff, very much akin to what other games have been doing (i.e. TF2 on the PC). I'm not sure if they'll dive into weapon purchases or subscription-type services quite yet, but I'd imagine they'll ease it in at a later time.


its not tht you cant get them its the whole fact that if that little 12 year on CoD is sitting in a corner killing people as they run by. They can get an air strike and drop it on the enemy spawn with no effort at all. when being rewarded for things like this you need to actually do something rather then laying in a corner. I mean yeah if a sniper is up laying in bushes thats fine because thats what snipers do. but with an assault rifle, get to the front line and do work as a team. That another reason i dont like CoD anymore is theres no team work or forced team work at all.
 

nvidiaintelftw

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Yeah, I think most of the people saying they won't buy another CoD game don't feel that way because Activision wants to find ways to incorporate more paid content into the games. It's a convenient excuse but the real reason is that Call of Duty is played out. It's been the same game for several installments now.

I jumped off the endless Call of Duty treadmill a long time ago.

well the last cod i bought myself was MW2 and that was a mistake! im done with it. i got BO for christmas. beat it in a week and sold right right after.
 

cyphilis

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If it comes down to BF3 VS MW3 I will be going BF3 for sure.

I think I've already decided,.. BF3 for me. Pretty bored with "modern warfare" games, but Battlefield 3 really has in interest. Now if they announce COD:Vietnam then it will be a day 1 purchase for me.
 

BD2003

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I'm still not sure why everyone is placing so much faith in BF3. What does it really have going for it other than a really good trailer so far?

BF3 could be as revolutionary as COD4, a game full of great new ideas, ushering in a new era of copycats for the next half decade. It could have an epic campaign, the best graphics you've ever seen, tons multiplayer maps, perfect balance and tons of guns with endless customization.

Wait, wasn't that supposed to be medal of honor last year?

I'm looking forward to BF3 for what it will be, but I fully expect a super short campaign. Plenty of bugs. A game that looks half as good as the trailer, running at an inconsistent frame rate with tons of screen tearing. Half of the MP modes and 8 or so maps will be locked behind a code, probably one or two as a preorder bonus. It'll take damn forever to level up, but you'll be able to pay real money for a "shortcut". Air support will still rape you from the sky. People will still fight over vehicles. Spawn camping in full effect.

I want to be wrong, but I know I won't be.
 

fbrdphreak

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the whole balancing aspect of CoD has been fucked up since CoD4 really. Kill Streaks set off the fact that CoD is unbalanced and really a game for campers since people can just camp pick off a few kills and drop and air strike on their spawn.

Its not th PC fact that Activision fucked us over, its the whole idea that CoD is an over done series and it really needs to die off. Activision should work on something new, instead of released rehashed/reskinned games every year over saturating the market

its not tht you cant get them its the whole fact that if that little 12 year on CoD is sitting in a corner killing people as they run by. They can get an air strike and drop it on the enemy spawn with no effort at all. when being rewarded for things like this you need to actually do something rather then laying in a corner. I mean yeah if a sniper is up laying in bushes thats fine because thats what snipers do. but with an assault rifle, get to the front line and do work as a team. That another reason i dont like CoD anymore is theres no team work or forced team work at all.

well the last cod i bought myself was MW2 and that was a mistake! im done with it. i got BO for christmas. beat it in a week and sold right right after.
We get it. You don't like COD and won't be buying it. How about shutting up about it now.
 

AstroManLuca

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I'm still not sure why everyone is placing so much faith in BF3. What does it really have going for it other than a really good trailer so far?

The reputation of previous Battlefield games. It's a love-or-hate kind of thing. I agree that Battlefield has never been as "tight" as COD, but it is also a very different kind of game that rewards strategy and teamwork more than pure shooting skills.

Basically, if it ends up being Battlefield 2 with better graphics and a few new features, people will be happy. Not really any different from every Call of Duty installment, right?

Obviously you don't like previous Battlefield games, so you don't assume BF3 will be much different. You're probably right. But it's just your opinion. Some people love the BF games.

I've played both and I definitely hated BF the first few times, but with BC2 I've finally sort of gotten into it. I feel like I can contribute to my team and have fun despite having a poor KDR, whereas in COD it's all about kills and killstreaks to the exclusion of all other factors.
 

BD2003

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It sounds like they're looking to offer something that only the really hardcore CoD fans would be interested in. I suspect their offering will be something like this:

Almost certainly, exclusive beta access. This makes a lot of sense given the people they really want in the beta are the most hardcore, and the most likely NOT to get their fill just from the beta alone.

Timed exclusive access to map packs, and/or any other addons.

I bet theyll rerelease a lot of older maps for exclusive play.

Smartphone app that links to a really in depth stats site. Perhaps even create-a-class on the phone linked to your profile.

Probably some minor in game bonuses that don't break balance, such as more free CaC slots.

Almost certainly some exclusive skins/models.

In game events, tournaments, clan leagues.

Whatever it is it seems like we'll need to know more about The next CoD MP itself to know what they could possibly be doing with some sort of subscription service.

Whether or not I'm willing to pay for that depends on how much they give and how much they ask. I'm going to cross my fingers and hope its something meaningful, worthwhile, and not game breaking to those who don't subscribe.
 

BD2003

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The reputation of previous Battlefield games. It's a love-or-hate kind of thing. I agree that Battlefield has never been as "tight" as COD, but it is also a very different kind of game that rewards strategy and teamwork more than pure shooting skills.

Basically, if it ends up being Battlefield 2 with better graphics and a few new features, people will be happy. Not really any different from every Call of Duty installment, right?

Obviously you don't like previous Battlefield games, so you don't assume BF3 will be much different. You're probably right. But it's just your opinion. Some people love the BF games.

I've played both and I definitely hated BF the first few times, but with BC2 I've finally sort of gotten into it. I feel like I can contribute to my team and have fun despite having a poor KDR, whereas in COD it's all about kills and killstreaks to the exclusion of all other factors.

Not true at all. I've owned every BC game since 1942. My favorite is still the dark horse BF2142. They're good games, but I always feel like something is missing, like they're unfinished, like the next one will be the truly great one, but I've been left disappointed so many times that Im just not placing blind faith in BF3 being the CoD killer just because of the trailer.

CoD is by no means a perfect series, but it's made the translation to consoles far better than the BF series has. BF is in many ways more ambitious than CoD, but it just doesn't seem to execute on those ideas as well. IMO the BF series is just as stale as CoD in the very same ways. That formula hasn't changed in a decade either.

So yeah, CoD is still my go-to shooter, and I look forward to each new installment. BF is like a flawed mistress that I have my fun with, but just doesn't create a long term attachment.

In either case I'm going to buy and play both to death, but I suspect CoD will be the one that really sticks. As usual.
 

BD2003

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Looks like we have our first solid leak:

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/13/modern-warfare-3-leak/

The takeaway:

Continues where MW2 left off. Sounds like a great deal of it will continue to take place in the good ol' US, including manhattan and Brooklyn. I loved that setting in MW2, glad to see them continue it rather than the tired industrial and middle east environments. Please, please include another "no Russian" scene, where I can mow down hipsters in Brooklyn. :p

Scant info on the standard MP mode, other than the existence of 20 maps, half of which Im guessing will be from
DLC.

Special ops is back. Yay!

And a new horde mode of some sort, which is basically a no brainer at this point, but I'm glad to see it included, and I hope theres a unique twist of some sort.

So far no major shockers, just a solid lineup of content.