Newsgroups

KK · Jun 27, 2003

How do newsgroups actually function? Is there one central location that all the newgroup companys like giganews, easynews and such pull from? I just don't get why these groups like RIAA don't try and shut them down also, since they seem to want to shut everything down.

KK

LakerGod · Jun 27, 2003

I'd like to know too

AznMaverick · Jun 27, 2003

yea and is it a bad idea to use your ISP's newgroup server?

Skyclad1uhm1 · Jun 27, 2003

Cause the RIAA doesn't understand things if they aren't graphical enough. It has to be comprehensible for 5 year olds.

BunLengthHotDog · Jun 27, 2003

IRC and Usenet are 2 things that remain untouched simply because the RIAA and the like do not have people that are tech savvy enough to even notice they are there. IF they were, newsgroup companies like giganews etc would have been hit a LONG time ago. Also, in the grand scheme of things, if you mention IRC and especially newsgroups...the typical internet user will have no idea what you are talking about. Although alot of people use either or both, looking at the big picture, it would appear as though both IRC and newsgroups are not as popular since the "AOL intarweb" hit the scene. Honestly it seems they have simply been forgotten.

LordJezo · Jun 27, 2003

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
IRC and Usenet are 2 things that remain untouched simply because the RIAA and the like do not have people that are tech savvy enough to even notice they are there. IF they were, newsgroup companies like giganews etc would have been hit a LONG time ago. Also, in the grand scheme of things, if you mention IRC and especially newsgroups...the typical internet user will have no idea what you are talking about. Although alot of people use either or both, looking at the big picture, it would appear as though both IRC and newsgroups are not as popular since the "AOL intarweb" hit the scene. Honestly it seems they have simply been forgotten.

I am not too sure about that.. wasn't that guy who distributed the Hulk and who just got busted using IRC?

KK · Jun 27, 2003

I can't imagine them just over looking it, granted they're stupid. How do the newsgroups actually function?

KK

BunLengthHotDog · Jun 27, 2003

I am not too sure about that.. wasn't that guy who distributed the Hulk and who just got busted using IRC?

With the amount of "material" available on both IRC and newsgroups, one person getting busted because they were passing around a marked screener is hardly evidence that they are watching either service.

Newsgroups are managed on the companies servers...meaning giganews, easynews etc all have their own servers with the groups attached..they do not pull from a universal source. Now, ISP's will typically outsource newsgroups instead of keeping them in house. WebUseNet is popular in the southeast, while giganews and easynews are 2 of your bigger NNTP service providers.

KK · Jun 27, 2003

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog

I am not too sure about that.. wasn't that guy who distributed the Hulk and who just got busted using IRC?

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With the amount of "material" available on both IRC and newsgroups, one person getting busted because they were passing around a marked screener is hardly evidence that they are watching either service.

Newsgroups are managed on the companies servers...meaning giganews, easynews etc all have their own servers with the groups attached..they do not pull from a universal source. Now, ISP's will typically outsource newsgroups instead of keeping them in house. WebUseNet is popular in the southeast, as is giganews and easynews.

So someone posts to easynews, how does it get transmitted to the other newgroup companies servers?

KK

BunLengthHotDog · Jun 27, 2003

That I don't know...I would imagine all the hosts allow servers to talk to one another, but each one is still managed by their parent company. Thats why some news services have alot more "groups" than others. But, I honestly am not sure how the same message propegates to all services.

kranky · Jun 27, 2003

How newsgroups work.

Placer14 · Jun 27, 2003

Without looking at that link (which I can't see anyway cause of my proxy). Newgroups have info submitted to a major snter server or farm of servers. Then other servers, browse it and repropogate the information (mirror it) for others to view. All using a specific protocol which I believe it called NNTP.

Clients, much in the same way other servers gather the data, can access the main/cluster server and retreive an index of topics/threads and as they are viewed, they are downloaded from the newgroup cluster/server.

pecel · Jun 27, 2003

Need more info here.

ElFenix · Jun 27, 2003

newsfeeds > all

kranky · Jun 27, 2003

Originally posted by: pecel
Need more info here.

What do you want to know that wasn't covered in the link I posted?

Kev · Jun 27, 2003

Originally posted by: pecel
Need more info here.

look at kranky's link. it is quite un-complicated

iwearnosox · Jun 27, 2003

Actually newsgroups are quite interesting. There is legal precident that the news providers are not responsible for the content of the messages on them, in direct contrast to napster and similar services.

phreakah · Jun 27, 2003

shhhhhh

Led Zeppelin · Jun 27, 2003

Originally posted by: phreakah
shhhhhh

Exactly, STFU about the newsgroups already, unless you want them taken away from us next ffs.

emmpee · Jun 27, 2003

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
IRC and Usenet are 2 things that remain untouched simply because the RIAA and the like do not have people that are tech savvy enough to even notice they are there. IF they were, newsgroup companies like giganews etc would have been hit a LONG time ago.

I'm sorry, but this is bull. You can't honestly think that they don't know about usenet or IRC. The reason that they haven't gone after them is most likely that each one was established *many* years ago for legitimate uses, and that *many many* thousands of people use them today for those same original legitimate uses.

anxi80 · Jun 27, 2003

what are these irc and newgroups you guys are talking about? i think you guys are making this stuff up, theres probably no such thing. so lets just drop it.

phreakah · Jun 27, 2003

Originally posted by: emmpee

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
IRC and Usenet are 2 things that remain untouched simply because the RIAA and the like do not have people that are tech savvy enough to even notice they are there. IF they were, newsgroup companies like giganews etc would have been hit a LONG time ago.

Click to expand...

I'm sorry, but this is bull. You can't honestly think that they don't know about usenet or IRC. The reason that they haven't gone after them is most likely that each one was established *many* years ago for legitimate uses, and that *many many* thousands of people use them today for those same original legitimate uses.

yeah, that's mainly what i was thinking.. outside of binaries(and i guess including, too), there are tons of legit and practical uses for usenet.. and i think they have software that watches over some binary groups? i thought that was why the movie groups name their headers with symbol text.. not exactly sure though.

xospec1alk · Jun 27, 2003

Originally posted by: anxi80
what are these irc and newgroups you guys are talking about? i think you guys are making this stuff up, theres probably no such thing. so lets just drop it.

i agree

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