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[News-Hardware.fr]Sudden "shortage" of Pentium G4560

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VirtualLarry said:
Maybe Intel specified the TDP higher on the G4560, to make it easier to bin to that spec, but honestly, in real-world conditions, I wouldn't expect it to have higher power usage than an i3-7100 or G4600, I would expect that due to the lower clocks, that it would be lower power. Unless, I guess, you got an outlier binned chip, and it was just leaky.
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You answered your own question with the underlined portions. The G4560 is cheaper in part because they can fill it with outlier binned chips that couldn't be made into other pricier chips. That isn't a guarantee that you got an outlier chip. But, there is a good chance that you have one. Maybe you luck out and get one that runs fine. Or maybe you lose and get run that needs more power. With the G4560 in particular, it seems to be the bin for all the functional but high power consuming chips.

The G4560 is still a great chip for the niche that it fills. But, once you get down to a faster chip (and quite likely from a better bin) for only $7 more at current prices, I think the $7 becomes quite justified.
 
dullard said:
The G4600 is also a respectable purchase given the high demand for the G4560. At currently $7 more than the G4560, you get better graphics, a bit faster CPU, and less power use. The lower power use may even make the G4600 cheaper in the long run than the G4560 given today's prices.
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It's actually not, and I don't agree. Given G4560's shortage, Newegg is overcharging them by $15 more than MSRP and makes more profit than G4600. You should be in the waiting list. When supply is stable again, $59.99 is the normal rate for G4560, $74.99 for G4600, and $89.99 for G4620.
 
dullard said:
But, once you get down to a faster chip (and quite likely from a better bin) for only $7 more at current prices, I think the $7 becomes quite justified.
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At least now newegg is showing the G4560 around $62.37 shipped and in stock. So, much more where it should be.

At least currecntly newegg is doing a decent price and in stock. So maybe Intel opened the piping bottleneck.

Intel Pentium G4560 Kaby Lake Dual-Core 3.5 GHz if anyone wants it.

It's $62.37 for now.

Edit: I found it 🙂
 
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There you go, even better than newegg. (Which shouldn't be a shock these days.)

Edit: NM, the jet deal has croaked according to kwalking above.

Although promo Sale15 or is it Save15? should give a 15% discount if you haven't had 3 orders before IIRC.

If I had current mobo's I would be buying a couple of these cpu's at these current prices for my customers for sure.
 
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kwalkingcraze said:
I think it's time to panic again on shortages.
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Or maybe we will be getting something better:
http://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-8th-gen-core-i7-8700k-performance-specs-leak/
"The Intel Coffee Lake family will also feature at least three Pentium series SKUs that include the Pentium G4660, Pentium G4700 and the Pentium G4720. These chips will feature 2 cores and 4 threads with clock speeds rated up to 3.90 GHz. There will also be 4 MB of L3 cache on board the chips and prices will be adjusted around the $100 US bracket."

It all comes down to the price of the new Pentium chips. If (and it is a big if) one is priced similarly to the G4560, it'll be a nice ~10% frequency boost and 33% L3 cache boost for about the same price. So far, Coffee Lake pricing rumors are that they will be on par or only a couple dollars higher than Kaby Lake pricing (warning the first price chart here is in CAD not in dollars).
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...s-out-page-554.2428363/page-594#post-39042961

And relating to the premise of this thread (that the Pentium line is being slow walked or even killed off in an organized shortage to support the i3 line), I think that link, if the rumors prove true, disproves that idea.
1) Releasing new Pentium chips means that the Pentium line is still being continued.
2) The Coffee Lake i3s are getting a nice boost from 2 core / 4 threads to 4 core / 4 threads. So, the i3 will be worthy of buying again. For example, the new i3 8100 (for a rumored MSRP of $121) has almost the same specs as the current i5 7500 (current MSRP of $192 to $202 but now on sale in the $180 range at Newegg).
 
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jpiniero said:
IIRC there is no dual core Coffee Lake die; but it's possible they release faster Kaby Lake Pentiums.
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From what I can tell, the 8th generation is a mix of Kaby Lake Refresh and Coffee Lake. Most websites are just calling it Coffee Lake. The forums are adamant that no in fact only some of them are Coffee Lake.
 
My only concern is whether the frequency speed will stay the same or lower if Core i3 gets full 4 cores. This has been the case for a long time now where the Core i5's frequency speed has always been 200-300MHz lower than Core i3. Total benchmark score is faster, but Core i3 may be going backwards in single-thread performance.
 
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rbk123 said:
If only they were overclockable; sigh. You know they'd be even more killer.
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Yeah, it sounds to me that the CPU makers are struggling to get past over 2000 in single-thread score today. I have a Phenom II X2 570 based on its grandfather K7 architecture released in 1999, and at 4.3GHz, it receives 1500 single-thread score, despite it's worth only $15 today. So much for progress today.
 
dullard said:
It all comes down to the price of the new Pentium chips. If (and it is a big if) one is priced similarly to the G4560, it'll be a nice ~10% frequency boost and 33% L3 cache boost for about the same price.
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But.. you'll have to splash out for a brand-new, expensive (for mainstream) Z370 motherboard to use it, because Intel made CoffeeLake incompatible with the existing Socket 1151 chipset boards, and the only CoffeeLake-specific chipset that I understand Intel is releasing, is the Z370. No H310 or B350 or whatnot. (And I think it would be a mistake for Intel, if they are releasing a "B" and "H" 300-series chipset, to call it a "B350", just because that will muddy the search terms, since AMD is already using that one.)
 
VirtualLarry said:
But.. you'll have to splash out for a brand-new, expensive (for mainstream) Z370 motherboard to use it, because Intel made CoffeeLake incompatible with the existing Socket 1151 chipset boards, and the only CoffeeLake-specific chipset that I understand Intel is releasing, is the Z370. No H310 or B350 or whatnot. (And I think it would be a mistake for Intel, if they are releasing a "B" and "H" 300-series chipset, to call it a "B350", just because that will muddy the search terms, since AMD is already using that one.)
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Thats why some OEM call the AMD one "AB350". B350 and H310 are coming out next year.
 
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