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[News-Hardware.fr]Sudden "shortage" of Pentium G4560

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VirtualLarry said:
The reason I ask is, that suggestion of yours (that Dell or Lenovo bought a large qty), affecting the spot price of retail-upgrade boxes of the same CPU, seems a bit farcical.

Why would Dell or Lenovo "suddenly" order so many of a particular CPU, and catch Intel off-guard? They wouldn't. They contract with Intel possibly months in advance, and Intel plans their appropriate number of wafer starts in their fabs, to meet the estimated demand.

Intel has massive fab capacity. The only reasons that I can see, for this extended shortage of these CPUs, is Intel intentionally limiting supply.
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An increase in OEM demand is a farcical reason for a temporary shortage? Neither Dell nor Lenovo sold G4560 chips 3 weeks ago when this thread was started. Now they do. There were significant changes in the number of G4560 chips that they are using. Intel wasn't the one caught off guard as much as the European computer shops who didn't have enough inventory. The G4560 was being sold here in the US.

This "extended" shortage was just a few weeks; and the chip was always available during that shortage. I think the conspiracy theories are what you should think of as being farcical.
 
jpiniero said:
They don't want Pentiums to get too popular, especially among OEMs. Unless it was Atom-based of course.
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That's a completely different argumentation though.
And limiting supply on the consumer market has what kind of influence on OEMs?
 
With all the OEMs rushing to Pentium G4560, this could be the new Core i3-4130, the best-selling Intel Haswell processor of all time. Plentiful on eBay too.
 
"Intel would never think of at least trying to increase their profits by limiting lower sku's." For real? They've done things under the sun to increase their profits.
 
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TheELF said:
That's a completely different argumentation though.
And limiting supply on the consumer market has what kind of influence on OEMs?
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It's not a limit on the supply of the consumer market, it's a limit (if you want to call it that) on entire supply of Pentiums and Celerons. And that is dependent on the quality yield Intel gets on the dual cores. Obviously the OEMs get first dibs.
 
So the only reason to get an i3 over a current Pentium now is the AVX instructions if you can't afford an i5? Personally I would get the G4560 or G4600 and use the money saved for an SSD or a better GPU If I was building a budget system. But that is just me.
 
whm1974 said:
So the only reason to get an i3 over a current Pentium now is the AVX instructions if you can't afford an i5? Personally I would get the G4560 or G4600 and use the money saved for an SSD or a better GPU If I was building a budget system. But that is just me.
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The i3-7100 has 11% faster clocks than the Pentium G4560, uses less power, and has a iGPU that is maybe 50% to 100% faster. But, it costs ~$55 more.

It all comes down to if you are a light gamer or not. If you are a light gamer that can run with the integrated graphics, the i3 is hands down better. If you are a heavy gamer or not a gamer at all, get the G4560.

Personally, I don't find the i3 to be a good buy for very many people at all.
 
formulav8 said:
There you go, why the lower 4t Pentium's are not available.
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Not available? It seems to be in stock in many locations:

It is a popular chip though. The occasional lack of availability is due to its popularity. Which, yes, is due to its price.
Either that, or we can believe the premise of the OP that Intel is limiting the chip supply, which seems hard to square with the fact that it is near the top of those charts if the supply is limited. I would think that if there was limited supply, that it would not be selling as much and would not have as high of a percent of users in the benchmarks. Intel can limit the supply to 0 and then it'll be the most purchased/benchmarked Intel CPU -- is that how the logic goes?
 
dullard said:
The i3-7100 has 11% faster clocks than the Pentium G4560, uses less power, and has a iGPU that is maybe 50% to 100% faster. But, it costs ~$55 more.

It all comes down to if you are a light gamer or not. If you are a light gamer that can run with the integrated graphics, the i3 is hands down better. If you are a heavy gamer or not a gamer at all, get the G4560.

Personally, I don't find the i3 to be a good buy for very many people at all.
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big price difference, and if you want more IGP you can get the 4600; yet if you are doing any kind of gaming, just ad $25 to total price (can save using cheapest possible ram, even single channel) and get a GT 1030 which beats any IGP and uses less than 30W, not just Kabylake GT2, it will beat the "iris pro" whatever thing by a big margin.
IGP is good for laptops and non gaming usage, even "light gaming" should go with something better.
 
dullard said:
Not available? It seems to be in stock in many locations:
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It has only recently become available again, from non-scalpers. It was unavailable for weeks at normal retailers.
dullard said:
It is a popular chip though. The occasional lack of availability is due to its popularity. Which, yes, is due to its price.
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dullard said:
Either that, or we can believe the premise of the OP that Intel is limiting the chip supply, which seems hard to square with the fact that it is near the top of those charts if the supply is limited. I would think that if there was limited supply, that it would not be selling as much and would not have as high of a percent of users in the benchmarks. Intel can limit the supply to 0 and then it'll be the most purchased/benchmarked Intel CPU -- is that how the logic goes?
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You might have a point, but if supply were adequate, we wouldn't see Newegg selling them for $79.99, we would see Newegg selling them for $64.99 (basically MSRP). So, yes, there is demand, but there is also inadequate supply. Why is there inadequate supply?
Could it be, that Intel is either: 1) Unable to increase supply, or 2) Unwilling to increase supply?
 
VirtualLarry said:
You might have a point, but if supply were adequate, we wouldn't see Newegg selling them for $79.99, we would see Newegg selling them for $64.99 (basically MSRP). So, yes, there is demand, but there is also inadequate supply. Why is there inadequate supply?
Could it be, that Intel is either: 1) Unable to increase supply, or 2) Unwilling to increase supply?
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Yes, good price for Pentium G4560 at MSRP. I just paid $39.99 for the very-last Celeron G1840 built at its final-month production date (X707, February 2017). There's high-demand for G1840s right now due to ASRock H81 Pro BTC board, so it's more-expensive than G3930 as new.

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If there is a true demand for cpu's in mining, the very cheap-o Celeron's would much more than likely be the choice if there would be any obvious demand for a mining cpu. The cpu does much of nothing in hashing that i'm aware of while the GPU does the real crunching.

What Intel said about the mining craze causing shortages for the lower 4 thread Pentium doesn't sound quite right. Intel not liking their losing i3 sales to cheaper 4 threaded Pentiums sound at least a touch more realistic.
 
formulav8 said:
If there is a true demand for cpu's in mining, the very cheap-o Celeron's would much more than likely be the choice if there would be any obvious demand for a mining cpu. The cpu does much of nothing in hashing that i'm aware of while the GPU does the real crunching.

What Intel said about the mining craze causing shortages for the lower 4 thread Pentium doesn't sound quite right. Intel not liking their losing i3 sales to cheaper 4 threaded Pentiums sound at least a touch more realistic.
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Yes, I ordered two ASRock H81 Pro BTC boards (one for resell), and the manufactured date is June 2017, so this February 2017 Celeron G1840 is the newest Haswell I can find. All the i7-4790s are older than this G1840.
 
I was looking at (NIB) G1840 Celeron CPUs the other day on ebay. Seems like the price has gone up slightly, they were around $60 or higher, at the cheapest, for NIB.

I remember buying the G1820 model for mid-$40 amounts, back in the day, from mp3superstore on ebay.
 
VirtualLarry said:
I was looking at (NIB) G1840 Celeron CPUs the other day on ebay. Seems like the price has gone up slightly, they were around $60 or higher, at the cheapest, for NIB.

I remember buying the G1820 model for mid-$40 amounts, back in the day, from mp3superstore on ebay.
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Yes, don't fall it. In the long-run, all of these Celerons will depreciate down to $5 used.
 
Seems like the 4600 is having it's own shortage since it's going for a premium everywhere over it's $75 list price.
 
SPBHM said:
big price difference, and if you want more IGP you can get the 4600; yet if you are doing any kind of gaming, just ad $25 to total price (can save using cheapest possible ram, even single channel) and get a GT 1030 which beats any IGP and uses less than 30W, not just Kabylake GT2, it will beat the "iris pro" whatever thing by a big margin.
IGP is good for laptops and non gaming usage, even "light gaming" should go with something better.
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Your post is mostly correct. Except for one major flaw. The GT 1030 is currently running about $70 to $100. https://www.google.com/shopping/pro...X&ved=0ahUKEwig7-Tb1r3VAhWL64MKHeJUB2AQ2SsIFw

Thus, I had the conclusion that if you do light gaming, then spending $55 for a faster CPU and acceptable but not great graphics performance in the 7100 is better than $70+ for a slower CPU and a GT 1030. When video card prices return to normal, then you will be correct about the 7100.

The G4600 is also a respectable purchase given the high demand for the G4560. At currently $7 more than the G4560, you get better graphics, a bit faster CPU, and less power use. The lower power use may even make the G4600 cheaper in the long run than the G4560 given today's prices.
 
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dullard, I don't understand your statements about the i3-7100 and G4600 having lower power usage than the G4560, when they are the same die, and clock higher.

Maybe Intel specified the TDP higher on the G4560, to make it easier to bin to that spec, but honestly, in real-world conditions, I wouldn't expect it to have higher power usage than an i3-7100 or G4600, I would expect that due to the lower clocks, that it would be lower power. Unless, I guess, you got an outlier binned chip, and it was just leaky.

Edit: I am reminded of the XBitLabs review of the Intel Core2 Celeron E3300 CPUs. They were 45nm dual-core Core2-era CPUs, released fairly late in the lifespan of the 775 platform. They were specified with a 65W TDP class, like most of their other similar CPUs, but in actual usage, they only drew like 35W.

I would expect that in the real world, the G4560 would be similar, and even with a higher specified TDP, that in actual usage, it would draw less power than an i3-7100. Certainly, if the i3 was running AVX/AVX2 codes.
 
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