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Newegg selling Throughbred B's 1/10/03

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Originally posted by: CHJF
Chiz,

Update Report:

I am running my Epox 8K9A2+ at 13 x 145 = 1885 1.650vcore, with an Antec case with 3 fans blowing in, with a temperature of 89 degrees F on the diode with a new volcano 7+ at medium speed. My room temperature is 68-70 degrees F. My front side bus is limited, because I am running Crucial 2100 DDR. Hopefully, wife willing, I will be able to get XMS3500 in the future that will truly test this chip.

With all testing that I have done, I have been able to boot at a speed of 2.013Ghz. It booted in Windows with a 1.75V core voltage, and ran, but not too stable My Video card (PNY TI4200 64meg)need some tweaking lost the driver in windowXP some how?? Reinstalled and got it back. ( I couldn't play a complete session of Medal of Honor).

I wish you guys luck! I think this thoroughbred B is gonna be a winner!

CHJF

HEAT

Thanks for the updates CHJF. Yah I was in a similar situation back in early November, I got one of the first T-bred A's at 1700+, but didn't really have the rig to push it. It was an earlier week revision, so it didn't do that well, around 1.766ghz with my Crucial PC2100 and 8KHA+ (about the same as my 1800+ Palomino). Turns out the later revisions (Week 42 and later) did pretty well, getting 1.850ghz to 2.0ghz pretty easily. Hopefully others with higher rated memory get some B's as well, so we can get a better idea of what these guys can do. If the 2100+ I get is a B, I'm punching the throttle straight to 2.0ghz and going up from there 😀

Chiz

Edit: Oh yah Tbates, from what I read, people were running more stable when they modded the L12 bridges, and it also allowed them to not mess with the wire trick, b/c being recognized at default at 166mhz gives you access to the lower multipliers rather than the higher ones (13x and greater). I'm not totally convinced both the highs and the lows are unlocked on Nforce 2 boards, I think it depends on the BIOS revision, but thats just one less thing to worry about. Also, I'm not sure if it changes any settings with the voltage, and maximum allowed voltages. I'm gonna research some more tomorrow before the chip arrives, but still don't plan to mod it before tweaking it. Thing that pisses me off is that Asus still hasn't released a totally unlocked BIOS, I updated to 1002 Beta and I think it may be a step back. Honestly, I think all of these different versions of T-breds are giving the Asus folks a tough time programming these BIOS. Looks like its back to 1001.E.
 
Originally posted by: SharkyTM
Originally posted by: fliplyricist1
Please keep up updated on the results of your T'bred 1700 B orders, folks. I would like to know exactly how many of these chips being shipped are actually b revisions, or if it's a mixed bag before I order.

Also to bump a previous question...all OEM T'breds are factory unlocked, yes?

Thanks.

dude, it looks like about 2 people have gotten the B stepping chips... no one else has reported in. I ordered one, so come on and join the frenzy

Haha, man I wish. If they all do indeed turn out to be B revisions, I'll go ahead and pick one up despite my financial difficulties. This celeron 700 just ain't cutting it anymore. Good luck with the chip man...keep us updated.
 
Originally posted by: fliplyricist1
Originally posted by: SharkyTM
Originally posted by: fliplyricist1
Please keep up updated on the results of your T'bred 1700 B orders, folks. I would like to know exactly how many of these chips being shipped are actually b revisions, or if it's a mixed bag before I order.

Also to bump a previous question...all OEM T'breds are factory unlocked, yes?

Thanks.

dude, it looks like about 2 people have gotten the B stepping chips... no one else has reported in. I ordered one, so come on and join the frenzy

Haha, man I wish. If they all do indeed turn out to be B revisions, I'll go ahead and pick one up despite my financial difficulties. This celeron 700 just ain't cutting it anymore. Good luck with the chip man...keep us updated.

uh...700Celly...my dad's 750Duron rig is worlds better...grab a 1700 TBred B for $51 shipped
 
Originally posted by: pillage2001
1.88GHz?? Aw man, come on. GIVE ME MOREEEEEE!!!!!! 😀 I need a reason to dump this lowly AROIA. 😀

I need more money corair xms3500 not cheap . But would kick some $$s in this board i have
 
Originally posted by: pillage2001
1.88GHz?? Aw man, come on. GIVE ME MOREEEEEE!!!!!! 😀 I need a reason to dump this lowly AROIA. 😀
1800+ @ 1910mhz(XP2400+)
@ 28c/82F ..no case fans(just an Enhance EN-735 exhaust..🙂) running & w/ a GC68
 
Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon
Originally posted by: pillage2001
1.88GHz?? Aw man, come on. GIVE ME MOREEEEEE!!!!!! 😀 I need a reason to dump this lowly AROIA. 😀
1800+ @ 1910mhz(XP2400+)
@ 28c/82F ..no case fans(just an Enhance EN-735 exhaust..🙂) running & w/ a GC68

Tbred B?? Voltage?? 🙂
 
Originally posted by: zettler

So, if the AMD 1700 is a good CPU that will work for us during the next 12 months - great.

KT400 or a nForce MB that should keep this rebuilt PC current for the next CPU purchase when the prices come down next year????

The constants are: Case, Power Supply, CD drives, LAN card, Sound Card (?), Floppy Drive, Fans, and USB 2.0.
CPU Price MB Price Total Future Need Cost
1700 $51 KT266 $50 $101 CPU + MB Highest
1700 51 kt333 75 126 CPU + MB Highest
1700 51 KT400 100 151 CPU Low
1700 51 nForce 110 161 CPU Lowest
2100 96 kt333 75 171 CPU + MB Highest
2100 96 kt400 100 196 CPU Low
2100 96 nForce 110 206 CPU Lowest

primary consideration ... best value NOW AND SERVE ... for the anticipated future advances and availability.

Sniped and edited out some stuff.

Ok first of all, a 1700 XP should be fine for a year or more. I used a 1.2 tbird for over a year (actually it might have been closer to 2 now that I think about it) up until a few months ago. And I'm crazy about games. The only reason I upgraded was that my computer died.
KT400 or nforce (I think you mean nforce 2 actually) will be fine. It should be able to upgrade for quite a while. Of course AMD is going to release the hammer type processors and that probably wont work in your computer. However they might keep increasing speed on the XP processors for a while as well. (Kinda like intel pentium and xeon are both released).
The constants are fine. Even if you can't get USB2 in a motherboard you want, its not a huge deal, you can get USB 2 cards for around $20 if you need too.

Personally I would be looking pretty hard at the nforce 2 stuff. Heck, if it only had to do for a year, you could even use the onboard graphics if you really want to save money. Yeah its geforce 4 MX type, but if it was only a year that might be ok. The main gripe bout geforce 4 MX style chip is that it doesn't support a lot of new technology like vertex shaders and stuff, but unfortunately games have been a LONG time in coming out that support that to any other than a token extent. And it does do a fair job (framerate wise) on most stuff. The major thing I would be concerned about would be doom 3 coming up in the area of games. I'm that that game will still support the older cards (older as in geforce 3 and 4 and 4mx etc) but the question is, what graphics would you lose in stepping down? I don't know.

I'm still on a geforce 2 GTS that I got for $50 a year or so ago, and I've been happy with it. Sure I can't do much AA, or use some of the more advanced features, but I still enjoy everything. Granted I play at 1024 resolution in most games rather than 1600, but I can live with that. I just dont want to pop down hundreds on a graphics card that will be obsolete. I might consider getting a geforce 4 when the FX comes out and drives the prices down, or I might just wait more until something like doom 3 comes out. Then get the top of line or whatever the "4200 cheap top end graphics" card is when that happens.

Other than that, its up to you on how big of a consideration you give to price. I would lean towards spending a bit extra in the motherboard, since its easy to upgrade RAM and pop in a new CPU. So if I had to choose say between a 1700 CPU with KT400 or nforce2, and a 2100 CPU with a KT266 motherboard, I'd definately go with the more advanced motherboard and upgrade the CPU at a later date if nessasary. Heck, the modern games benifit more from a decent graphics card upgrade than a CPU upgrade in many cases.

Anyway just some of my thoughts whatever they are worth.
 
Thanks again Devistater for your insight and advice.

I went ahead and ordered the 1700 (actually was going to wait till tomorrow but was at the fourth level in ordering and thought I had one more before committing - wrong). I like the write-ups on the EPOX but will wait another week till I get the CPU.

Would still love to find a "deal" on a good Video Card - and I do not mean one for $200+! I love my GeF 3 Ti500, but after reading up on the specs for the newer ATI and Invidia Graphics Cards, that GeF4 4200... looks pretty good too.

This will be the next evolution for my son's PC. He plays Battlefield 1942, Jedi 2, Operation Flashpoint, Medal of Honor, and is waiting anxiously for the new Star Wars PC games (and X-Box too for his Live). I spoil him but I do so in the hope he will become so good at gaming that he will become rich and will take care of me in my older age......

Dream on, dream on......
 
hmmm i have no clue what's going on with processors and stuff these days. so should i sell my 2000+ for one of these 1700+ Tbred B's?
 
Damn, you are getting sweet temps on a gc68? Wow that sounds great for me because i have one and plan to upgrade to a 1800+ tbred b.
 
Originally posted by: stevejst
1800+ @ 1910mhz(XP2400+)

@ 28c/82F ..no case fans(just an Enhance EN-735 exhaust..) running & w/ a GC68

What is this, another sci-fi OC thread again?

sci-fi your heater in your home off to enjoy room ambient temp of 65F and one side panel off (aluminum case definitely helps in this..) try using some higher brain functions before throwin' your post into a thread this is with a TBred A 1800+ chip..VDimm@ 2.60 and cpu @ 1.775 ..AIUGA ..not rev. B..Quote

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Originally posted by: pillage2001
Tbred B?? Voltage??


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Originally posted by: Naruto
Damn, you are getting sweet temps on a gc68? Wow that sounds great for me because i have one and plan to upgrade to a 1800+ tbred b.
reason being as the GC68 in combination with a higher cfm 80mm fan, cooler room ambient temp, aluminum case,side panel off(enjoy the winkin' blinkin' blue LEDs
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), and cooler than Palamino core TBred(.013 ..🙂) is ..nice 🙂when the ambient room temp hit 88F a few weeks ago hit cpu temp of 112F ..decided to turn the A/C on at that time 😉 but still without turning the 80mm front intake fan (Sunon) on
 
I plan to get a 8RDA+ and a Tbred-B 1700+. I'm still using PC2100 DDR. Is it possible to run the FSB @ 166mhz and keep the DDR @ 133mhz? or do I have to upgrade the RAM?
 
Ok, someone clear things up for me pleeeeze......

I ordered one of these chips, hoping its a rev b, but anyway I have an Epox 8K3A KT333 board. will this mobo have the auto unlock feature like the KT400's and NForce2 boards? I do have the latest Bios too.

Thanks in advance for the replies 🙂
 
Originally posted by: gotey
Ok, someone clear things up for me pleeeeze......

I ordered one of these chips, hoping its a rev b, but anyway I have an Epox 8K3A KT333 board. will this mobo have the auto unlock feature like the KT400's and NForce2 boards? I do have the latest Bios too.

Thanks in advance for the replies 🙂
your 8k3a will do fine and jacky72 YMMV on your pc2100(DDR266) ram..should get better rated ram like CHJF is finding out..
 
Originally posted by: jacky72
I plan to get a 8RDA+ and a Tbred-B 1700+. I'm still using PC2100 DDR. Is it possible to run the FSB @ 166mhz and keep the DDR @ 133mhz? or do I have to upgrade the RAM?

i have a new Epox kt-400 board (8K9A2+) and i can not go past 155mhz on front side bus speed with 2100 DDR. you well be limited to do so too

 
I am hopeing someone will have one of these 2100+ soon before they run out to tell us if it is A or B core chip. I am seriously wanting to upgrade but not to a A core chip.




Jen
 
Did any one notice when they tried to order the XP 2100+ that there were two different listings for the OEM version. The one on the second page seems to be the Rev B since it uses the Model#: AXDA2100DUT3C. The picture of the processor also looks like it is the Rev B.
 
Originally posted by: KiDFuZioN
Did any one notice when they tried to order the XP 2100+ that there were two different listings for the OEM version. The one on the second page seems to be the Rev B since it uses the Model#: AXDA2100DUT3C. The picture of the processor also looks like it is the Rev B.


its been noticed and thus the reason for the confusion of what exactly are they selling



Jen

 
Originally posted by: jacky72
I plan to get a 8RDA+ and a Tbred-B 1700+. I'm still using PC2100 DDR. Is it possible to run the FSB @ 166mhz and keep the DDR @ 133mhz? or do I have to upgrade the RAM?

I've done some experimenting with my MSI KT4V-L Via KT400/8235 board, Athlon TBredA XP1800+, and generic DDR333 256MB RAM. The highest I've been able to get my FSB, while dropping multipliers, is around 175Mhz or so. I noticed that I can set the RAM FSB *higher* than the CPU FSB, if I put it on "User" setting mode, but I cannot clock it *slower*. I don't know if this is a specific BIOS limitation, or that of the KT400 chipset itself. I suspect the latter.

So if you want to hit those incredible FSB speeds, you really need to be using DDR400 memory. Unfortunately, the KT400/KT4V-L doesn't support DDR400 fully, and in some benchmarks, performs worse with DDR400 than with DDR333, and also doesn't support more than one or two DIMMs at DDR400 speeds. "Officially", the KT400 doesn't support DDR400 at all, despite the "KT400" name. (KT400A is supposed to, as well as SiS 746FX. All prior chipsets from Via and SiS only support a 400Mhz DDR clock unofficially, with specific mobo-tested DIMMs.)

Perhaps the nForce2 is more flexible in this regard. Let's hope so.
 
i have a new Epox kt-400 board (8K9A2+) and i can not go past 155mhz on front side bus speed with 2100 DDR. you well be limited to do so too

Just curious if you've tried running the memory async. Keep it where it's stable and push the cpu fsb higher. I know your overall performance will be worse but it would let you see how high your tbred might go with some better memory.

 
Hey, I asked this earlier, but no one really answered my question... does anyone think the 1700B will overclock well with an abit kx7 333 ?
 
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