QueBert
Lifer
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Apple doesn't have to brainwash me, the Touch is the best PMP I've ever used, period. And in some way or another I've used them all. The app store alone is something MS won't ever touch. I had a WinMo phone for a year and the selection of apps for it was awful. I gotta laugh at anyone who thinks this Zune HD will magically change that. It might get more developers over, but it will never touch what the Touch has. As it stands I can do anything on my Touch I want. WinMo 6.5 may or may not be good. It's not out yet so it's all speculation. WinMo 6 was horrible, so my hopes for 6.5 aren't much higher.
You say the Touch isn't worth the price, I paid $299 when it came out, and I'm able to fucking VNC into my PC and control my desktop from anywhere I want. I've never seen another device that fits in my pocket that can do that. Not to mention it does it very well. For Beatmaker alone my Touch is worth MORE than what Apple sells them for IMHO. I use it to make beats comparable to what can be done on a PC + Reason - which is $500 all by itself. I would pay 2x what it costs due to the apps I use that actually lead to me making money.
I have clients and when they have PC issues, I'm able to VNC in away from home, anywhere I'm at with my iPhone (or even Touch) it's wonderful to be able to fix something while I'm out and not have to run home just to connect to make one small system change. I'll bet money right now this currently non existent Zune HD will NEVER be able to do that. This Zune will never be anything more than a device playing catch up. And by the time it's ALMOST caught up to the Touch/iPhone Apple will have their next gen product out. And the cycle will start all over again.
Touch best device ever, period (first and only Apple product I've ever owned)
blurredvision
Lifer
- Oct 19, 2000
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Who's to say Microsoft won't compete bullet point for bullet point with what the Touch offers? If it will "get more developers over", as you say, then it absolutely will "touch" what the Touch has, and probably then some.
This is about the new Zune, not Windows Mobile 6 or 6.5. HIGHLY doubtful they'll put any kind of Windows OS on a Zune.
Kudos to ATOT for, so far, no use of the acronym M$, I'm so proud!
I'm def excited, will be great to see what comes of it!
I'm def excited, will be great to see what comes of it!
QueBert
Lifer
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For getting developers I don't see them getting as many, not even to mention the 1 year the Apple store has already been selling apps. Even if a lot suck, I have access to over 100,000 apps with hundreds of new ones every day. and I've found tons I love, some I couldn't live without. By the time this Zune launches *IF* MS has some sort of App store, even if they have it up on launch day. The Touch will have an overwhelmingly more number of apps. With the lead Apple had, MS can't catch up. And it's doubtful they'll make it a user friendly process for people who want to develop for me. Apple welcomes developers and gives all the API's needed away for free. For WinMo apps - good luck on anything from MS here. Basically a MS app store would be an Apple store 2 years later. By the time it happens the Apple store will be on the next level, while MS developers would be trying to make the quick buck MSBEER shit that use to plague the iTunes store.
If they want the Zune to compete at all, it will have to have far more than a UI that plays music. Winmo 6.5 is the only thing that make sense. My Touch has a full blown OS, I can telnet to it, I can use it for everything I can do on my PC, outside of playing Flash content (coming) there are days where I find myself using it more than my PC. I can accomplish some tasks much quicker.
The iPod Touch offers stiff competition for Microsoft. The Touch was probably fairly expensive to develop to the point that it is, however as I see it, Apple got it for free since it seems like the iPod touch was an afterthought after the iPhone was developed. I had never had any interest in owning an iPod before the Touch, and it's the apps and browser that really sold me on that. If MS can't put both into a Zune they're really going to be behind.
Based on track record, Microsoft will bring nothing relevant to the table.
A bunch of shit nobody cared about, thus the Zune sold less than the Sandisk players.
Even if they do a one to one copy, people will see it a a clone and three months later Apple will release the new iPhone/Touch with features Microsoft never dreamed of.
0roo0roo
No Lifer
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Originally posted by: QueBert
won't be as good as the touch. Reasons why:
1. accessories. Zune has like 10 accessories, ok maybe I'm exaggerating, but it doesn't have many. and a lot of the ones I have seen blow chunks.
2. iTunes store (applications) I have spent maybe $300 on apps for my Touch. As much as I like it as a music and video player, the apps are what pushes it over the top. Even if MS were to launch a competing store, it would never measure up. I used Beatmaker on my Touch to make a beat, which I ended up selling to a dude up the street for $20. No way I could make money with a Zune, even if it's only 20 bucks
this looks interesting and will probably sell well to the crowd who hates everything Apple. And always proclaim the Zune to be vastly superior in every aspect. Beyond that, it's just a Touch 2 years + late to the game. I will laugh at all the Apple haters who buy one and tell me how awesome it is.
<3 my Touch, fuck all the other iPods but the Touch is close to perfect.
yea apple accessories can get insane
http://i.gizmodo.com/5203960/f...with-equal-parts-charm
blurredvision
Lifer
- Oct 19, 2000
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No shit. Good prediction, I wish I had that much foresight.
I like how all of the arguments are based on telling me what will happen in the future.
A lot of people cared about the features. When Microsoft added wi-fi syncing, I remember a lot of iPod users wishing they had that. Apple still doesn't believe in putting in an FM radio, which a lot of people find handy. It's a trivial addition at best.
Sandisk outsells the Zune because their players are much, much cheaper. LOTS of people like to buy the $30 flash players, kind of a far cry from the $130-$250 offering of the Zune. It's no surprise Sandisk has a bigger market share.
I'm not saying the iPod will be overtaken anytime soon. I'm just rolling my eyes at all of you getting up in arms because you know Microsoft could compete, and it kills you if the iPod gains a credible competitor.
Will the market share difference begin to shrink? Not anytime soon. Will it ever? Hell if I know, it looks very doubtful at this point for any competitor, not just Microsoft. That doesn't mean you should discount everything a competitor tries to do. Shit, with your guy's logic, everybody should just quit making players altogether, because they have no shot, not now or ever.
Feel free to keep using your Touch...personally, I'll take a look at this Zune HD when it's announced. And if I'm only one of the 4% of the market who owns a Zune, then so be it.
Tell you what. You keep waiting for the Zune Touch to deliver all those awesome features and apps, and I'll keep using the iPhone Touch *today* with its 20,000+ available apps, etc.
Why don't they add black & white TV reception while they are at it? FM radio is a niche feature. The only good use for it has been at gyms where the TV audio has been piped over FM, but now-a-days all the good gyms have iPod docks on the treadmills and bikes. That's *iPod docks*, mind you.
By that logic Sandisk should be outselling the iPod. Correct?
They were supposed to compete four years ago when the Zune was introduced. All this time and they are just a third-rate player. I don't see that changing.
<yoda>You willllll be</yoda>
blurredvision
Lifer
- Oct 19, 2000
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Of course you don't address the fact that you keep making arguments based on what YOU think is going to happen and what you think this new Zune will be capable of. Of course Apple has thousands of available apps over the Zune, this Zune HD hasn't even been fucking announced!! Quit getting so defensive, geez!
Of course there are iPod docks, they control over 70% of the market. The iPod has been around for more than a few years now. I don't really know what you're trying to argue here. FM radio is a nice feature to have, especially when you can tag a song and download it immediately from the marketplace. Of course, any feature the Zune has and the iPod doesn't, you're going to argue the hardest against that it's pointless. :roll: What's wrong with saying, "Hey, that's a cool feature, I wish the iPod had that."?
No, the iPod was first, and it established the market way before anybody else credible came along.
The Zune has only been out for under 2 1/2 years. What's your definition of third-rate? You act like it's easy to penetrate a market where almost everyone is convinced that the iPod is the only device that exists. Just because it's hard to penetrate a market doesn't mean the device is third-rate.
You argue against a device that you know nothing about like you're scared of it. Is that what this is? You're scared?
Any news on when this might come out? I accidentally dropped my Zune 30 last week, and it cracked the screen. Still use it for listening to music, but the screen is worthless for videos now.
You're the one thinking it may be better than the Touch. I am saying I'll stick with the Touch which is out today.
I have not listened to FM radio in over five years.
Third-rate in that it's third in terms of market share.
Scared of what? A PMP. No.
blurredvision
Lifer
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Ya, I'm saying it could be, not that it won't be, like you are saying.
Then don't imply that it's third-rate in terms of functionality and design. Say what you mean if you want to get technical about stuff.
Then why are you getting all up in arms about the next Zune? You're acting as if it's a personal insult that a Microsoft device could match everything that your previous Touch has. You're acting as if the fear of god has been put in you at the mere mentioning of any type of app store for the Zune.
Originally posted by: peritusONE
Ya, I'm saying it could be, not that it won't be, like you are saying.
Then don't imply that it's third-rate in terms of functionality and design. Say what you mean if you want to get technical about stuff.
Then why are you getting all up in arms about the next Zune? You're acting as if it's a personal insult that a Microsoft device could match everything that your previous Touch has. You're acting as if the fear of god has been put in you at the mere mentioning of any type of app store for the Zune.
From neutral argument's sake, peritus takes this one by a landslide...
destrekor
Lifer
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Yep. The default reaction from fanboys when anyone makes claims that some other device might somehow be better, or even just as good, as their precious device.
Also, market share is always brought up. Apple has the MP3 player market on a stranglehold, and one has to always bring that up when some other device might just be as good. But the problem is... that will likely never change. iPod hit the market at the right time, with the right focus, and the perfect marketing. That's good for Apple because they finally get something that is big.
But, that doesn't mean there aren't better. Popularity and marketing drive sales, and not necessarily feature set or product quality. Design is also huge, and Apple has always maintained a "im a coffee shop loving independent artistic individual" quality to their product design, and it obviously works. I happen to think that approach is terrible and while I can appreciate the design of Apple products and software, I don't personally like them.
I don't bash the product, but I bash the foaming at the mouth fanboys, and that alone does have an impact on my product preference, to a slight degree, I'll admit that much. Not enough to turn me away, unless of course other quality products exist.
I enjoyed owning a Creative Zen, for it had amazing audio quality. Terrible interface and product design hampered my desire to continue owning it though. Then the Zune came out, and I loved it. Being a bit bulky though, I upgraded to the Zune 120 for the better product design. Now I have everything I want in a player, with not a single qualm. Software is excellent too.
I could go on and on about why the marketshare argument is flawed, and why fanboys are as retarded as they are... whatever, that'd be a typical destrekor novel that I don't care to waste time typing.
remote desktop has been on my winmo phone(treo 750) for a while now. i can do exactly what you are describing. and have been able to for a while now. if someone actually bought a beat you made with a phone i say they are a sucker.
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