New Weight-Loss Device to Be Tested

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: AlStan1981

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

Then why does stomach stapling work?

It doesnt always... and when it does work, it forces those people to eat far less than normal people eat.... thus exactly what I said...

-Max

a fat person eating less than what they normally eat would require nothing but discipline which the majority of them dont have. thats why they can't stop eating stuff and continue to be unhealthy.

it is very possible for them to eat a healthy portion of food that will fill them up a healthy amount, but they choose not to, and they "LACK DISCIPLINE!" (like ahnold says).

Read my posts... a large quantity of fat people, have the same eating/exercising habits as the overwhelming majority of people. These people have to practice the discipline that YOU probably don't have in order to stay NORMAL.

-Max

Honestly, I think this is largely rationalization. I bet if you took the "can't keep the weight off" guy and the "normal" guy, you'd see a pretty large disparity in food intake and activity levels. You'd have to see some pretty crazy BMRs before what you're saying could be true.

 

[Afrotech]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Afrotech

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

I wouldn't term it as you did, but it usually does boil down to food intake and activity levels. Healthy eating and exercise could "fix" a lot of the weight issues out there....not all....but a majority for sure.


The exercise thing is really the key IMHO: you give yourself a lot more caloric "overhead" to work with if you get in a workout on any given day. My BMR may only be 2200 kcal or so (and yes, it's hard to eat less than that when trying to lose weight), but if I burn 6-800 calories on the bike that day, I have much greater leeway with my food while still being able to keep the caloric deficit for the day if I'm trying to drop some pounds.

While I agree that if those obese people would exercise more, they would be able to avoid obesity... however... the fact is in our sociery the overwheming amount of people do not exercise, or eat properly. However of all those lazy people only a minority end up obese. So what we are essentially saying here, is that obese people are lazy fat asses because they are on par (eating habits and exercisewise) with the majority of society. And according to this thread.. in order to not be considered lazy, they would need to follow the eating habits, and exercise habits, of the most active minority in our society....

Get what I'm saying?

I myself fall into this category... I would be very obese, if I wasn't constantly doing battle with my weight...
And where non obese peope can take a couple weeks off and eat what they want, I can't...

-Max

i see where you are going and agree somewhat. but the truth is........... LIFE ISN'T FAIR.

im in the same boat as you. if i were to eat like a "normal" american, i would balloon up. my body just can't handle the normal american diet. when i looked down at my gut last year, i noticed lots of fat staring back. i am 5'8" and have gone from weighing 175 ---> 128. It is a lot of hard work, but i feel 100% better.

the simple truth is.... there are ppl whose body can handle more calories, well good for them. DONT FEEL JEALOUS ABOUT IT. they arnt fat and lazy b/c they don't have a problem..... yet. studies indicate that these ppl with get a backlash later in life for their eating habits.

when you start to notice a problem (fat increasing on your body) and do nothing about it, then i think you can be labled fat and lazy, b/c you CAN do something about it.

It's not a matter of being jealous.... It's a matter of not being labeled fat and lazy... that is just ridiculous. It's nice that you lost 50 pounds... good for you. But being 5'8" 175... is not the same as someone who is say 5'8" 230 or more... I'm 6'5" 330... now don't assume that I am grossly overweight... I'm built like a bull, pick an NFL offensive lineman... thats me. But I am very very suseptible to weight gain... if I take 2 weeks off of working out... I gain 10-15lbs.... it happens that quickly. And without constant attention for the rest of my life... I could quickly find myself in real trouble... like a year or so ago... when I weighed close to 400lbs... I dropped it quick. But without constant attention, it will come back.

-Max

what i am saying is that a person IS lazy and weak if they are presented with a problem that they can fix and DONT. i don't care that some ppl can eat 4000 calories a day and not gain a pound, that doesn't make them fat or lazy.... they don't have a weight problem, so they don't need to worry about it. I have to eat 1400 calories a day, or i will gain 5-10 lbs in a matter of a week. SO WHAT? are you saying if i just start eating like everyone else that i wouldn't be lazy or weak? I am saying that i would, b/c it is a problem, specific to ME, that i CAN fix.

im just saying you can label someone as lazy or weak if they wont change something they CAN fix... no mater what it is... eating, smoking, drinking, whatever.

it's all about discipline, like others have pointed out.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: AlStan1981

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: AlStan1981

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

Then why does stomach stapling work?

It doesnt always... and when it does work, it forces those people to eat far less than normal people eat.... thus exactly what I said...

-Max

a fat person eating less than what they normally eat would require nothing but discipline which the majority of them dont have. thats why they can't stop eating stuff and continue to be unhealthy.

it is very possible for them to eat a healthy portion of food that will fill them up a healthy amount, but they choose not to, and they "LACK DISCIPLINE!" (like ahnold says).

Read my posts... a large quantity of fat people, have the same eating/exercising habits as the overwhelming majority of people. These people have to practice the discipline that YOU probably don't have in order to stay NORMAL.

-Max

that is BS. i realize certain people have different metabolisms than others. that still dosen't mean the person with the slow metabolism shouldn't exercise just because the one with faster metabolism doesn't have to. and if he doesn't exercise, and starts to gain weight, then i would call that lazy because he knows he's gaining weight but isn't doing anything about it. also, if they started to exercise their metabolism would start to get faster.

and FYI, i have been working out pretty consistantly, with the exception of the summers (while in school cause i was off campus for the summer so i wouldn't go as much, but now i graduated), for the past 4 years. i am 9-5 job right now. i still go to the gym 4 times a week. i do each muscle group 1 time a week, and as of now, i cut out cardio because i am trying to GAIN weight. I am 5'11 and up to 186lbs, trying to get to around 190-195, then i am going to go on a lean cycle.

and i hate to break it to you, but i actually DO have discipline, and i KNOW what i'm doing because i'm not LAZY and read up on what i should and shouldnt do in order to be fit.

EDIT: and dude, you must be a monster! you are 6'3 and 330lbs, that is massive! and no, i am not saying that in a bad way. i think its pretty awesome how some of those line men are so huge, like how they don't even look cut and what not, but they are solid as a rock. that is very impressive, good job :thumbsup:

6'5"....

What I'm saying is... people are so quick to dismiss fat people as a bunch of lazy lard asses... but the fact is, they are not. They are average americans, whose genetics dictate that they can't afford to be average.
Biiig difference between that and lazy...

I see those people and I understand when you say it disgusts you. But unlike you, I realize how incredibly easy it is to fall into that trap. I work out 3-4 times a week.. which is just maintaining my weight right now... I need to diet again to drop more weight... but damn I'm not looking forward to that... the body seeks to maintain it's weight which leads to extreme levels of hunger. If I can drop down to 270... I'll be ripped like a superstar That and I'm trying to get my bench up... I'm doing 10 reps with 315 now.... my objective is a max of 500, and reps with 405....

-Max

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: AlStan1981

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

Then why does stomach stapling work?

It doesnt always... and when it does work, it forces those people to eat far less than normal people eat.... thus exactly what I said...

-Max

a fat person eating less than what they normally eat would require nothing but discipline which the majority of them dont have. thats why they can't stop eating stuff and continue to be unhealthy.

it is very possible for them to eat a healthy portion of food that will fill them up a healthy amount, but they choose not to, and they "LACK DISCIPLINE!" (like ahnold says).

Read my posts... a large quantity of fat people, have the same eating/exercising habits as the overwhelming majority of people. These people have to practice the discipline that YOU probably don't have in order to stay NORMAL.

-Max

Honestly, I think this is largely rationalization. I bet if you took the "can't keep the weight off" guy and the "normal" guy, you'd see a pretty large disparity in food intake and activity levels. You'd have to see some pretty crazy BMRs before what you're saying could be true.

I think you'd be very surprised.... most scientific studies have definitly shown obesity to be a genetic issue.

-Max

P.S. yes I'll work on getting some links

 

[Afrotech]

Originally posted by: Doboji
6'5"....

What I'm saying is... people are so quick to dismiss fat people as a bunch of lazy lard asses... but the fact is, they are not. They are average americans, whose genetics dictate that they can't afford to be average.
Biiig difference between that and lazy...

I see those people and I understand when you say it disgusts you. But unlike you, I realize how incredibly easy it is to fall into that trap. I work out 3-4 times a week.. which is just maintaining my weight right now... I need to diet again to drop more weight... but damn I'm not looking forward to that... the body seeks to maintain it's weight which leads to extreme levels of hunger. If I can drop down to 270... I'll be ripped like a superstar That and I'm trying to get my bench up... I'm doing 10 reps with 315 now.... my objective is a max of 500, and reps with 405....

-Max

ive been to 3rd world countries... ive seem real hunger. americans don't have extreme hunger, it all psychological... you can work past the hunger

 

[Afrotech]

Originally posted by: Doboji

I'm doing 10 reps with 315 now.... my objective is a max of 500, and reps with 405....

-Max

by the way, that is really good. are you trying to lower your bodyfat % while gaining muscle? very hard to do... get the muscle first, then trim down. if you start loosing strenght in your workout, you know you need more calories or you will loose muscle.

 

[AlStan1981]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: AlStan1981

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: AlStan1981

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

Then why does stomach stapling work?

It doesnt always... and when it does work, it forces those people to eat far less than normal people eat.... thus exactly what I said...

-Max

a fat person eating less than what they normally eat would require nothing but discipline which the majority of them dont have. thats why they can't stop eating stuff and continue to be unhealthy.

it is very possible for them to eat a healthy portion of food that will fill them up a healthy amount, but they choose not to, and they "LACK DISCIPLINE!" (like ahnold says).

Read my posts... a large quantity of fat people, have the same eating/exercising habits as the overwhelming majority of people. These people have to practice the discipline that YOU probably don't have in order to stay NORMAL.

-Max

that is BS. i realize certain people have different metabolisms than others. that still dosen't mean the person with the slow metabolism shouldn't exercise just because the one with faster metabolism doesn't have to. and if he doesn't exercise, and starts to gain weight, then i would call that lazy because he knows he's gaining weight but isn't doing anything about it. also, if they started to exercise their metabolism would start to get faster.

and FYI, i have been working out pretty consistantly, with the exception of the summers (while in school cause i was off campus for the summer so i wouldn't go as much, but now i graduated), for the past 4 years. i am 9-5 job right now. i still go to the gym 4 times a week. i do each muscle group 1 time a week, and as of now, i cut out cardio because i am trying to GAIN weight. I am 5'11 and up to 186lbs, trying to get to around 190-195, then i am going to go on a lean cycle.

and i hate to break it to you, but i actually DO have discipline, and i KNOW what i'm doing because i'm not LAZY and read up on what i should and shouldnt do in order to be fit.

EDIT: and dude, you must be a monster! you are 6'3 and 330lbs, that is massive! and no, i am not saying that in a bad way. i think its pretty awesome how some of those line men are so huge, like how they don't even look cut and what not, but they are solid as a rock. that is very impressive, good job :thumbsup:

6'5"....

What I'm saying is... people are so quick to dismiss fat people as a bunch of lazy lard asses... but the fact is, they are not. They are average americans, whose genetics dictate that they can't afford to be average.
Biiig difference between that and lazy...

I see those people and I understand when you say it disgusts you. But unlike you, I realize how incredibly easy it is to fall into that trap. I work out 3-4 times a week.. which is just maintaining my weight right now... I need to diet again to drop more weight... but damn I'm not looking forward to that... the body seeks to maintain it's weight which leads to extreme levels of hunger. If I can drop down to 270... I'll be ripped like a superstar That and I'm trying to get my bench up... I'm doing 10 reps with 315 now.... my objective is a max of 500, and reps with 405....

-Max

good luck on your goal. i still disagree. if this is so genetic, then how come people weren't this huge 100 years ago? When I see pictures of my grandfather with other troops from ww2 there are no fat people there? if it was all genetic, then the people today were decendants of them, so they wouldn't be fat also ... if we use your whole genetic theory.

im not saying it is not genetics at all... of course it is. but this comes into my other post. this is the problem because if you are born into a family where your parents are fat, you, as the child, are obviously going to start bad eating habits from a young age, and become a fat person just like your parents are. if you read my previous post, i said parents are the root of this problem sometimes, and i feel bad for kids who get fat because of their parents. however, this does not mean once you are old enough to learn you can't change your eating habits, and get discipline to not eat unhealthy stuff.

trust me dude i know, i have been pretty ripped at one point. It was hard for me to get that way because yes, you have to eat certain things. and me personally, i have a sweet tooth. in that pic i am about 172lbs or so, with like probably between 6-7% body fat. it was hard to eat properly for the month or 2 i was on the strict diet. but i had DISCIPLINE to do it, because I wanted to. if people have discipline they can do it. its not impossible. i know its hard, but if it was easy then EVERYBODY would be ripped or skinny.

now i'm 186lbs or so and i've gained alot of muscle, and im trying to gain more before i get ripped again. anyways, i'm off to taco bell since i'm on my bulk cycle, i am eating ANYTHING!

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: AlStan1981

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: AlStan1981

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: AlStan1981

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

Then why does stomach stapling work?

It doesnt always... and when it does work, it forces those people to eat far less than normal people eat.... thus exactly what I said...

-Max

a fat person eating less than what they normally eat would require nothing but discipline which the majority of them dont have. thats why they can't stop eating stuff and continue to be unhealthy.

it is very possible for them to eat a healthy portion of food that will fill them up a healthy amount, but they choose not to, and they "LACK DISCIPLINE!" (like ahnold says).

Read my posts... a large quantity of fat people, have the same eating/exercising habits as the overwhelming majority of people. These people have to practice the discipline that YOU probably don't have in order to stay NORMAL.

-Max

that is BS. i realize certain people have different metabolisms than others. that still dosen't mean the person with the slow metabolism shouldn't exercise just because the one with faster metabolism doesn't have to. and if he doesn't exercise, and starts to gain weight, then i would call that lazy because he knows he's gaining weight but isn't doing anything about it. also, if they started to exercise their metabolism would start to get faster.

and FYI, i have been working out pretty consistantly, with the exception of the summers (while in school cause i was off campus for the summer so i wouldn't go as much, but now i graduated), for the past 4 years. i am 9-5 job right now. i still go to the gym 4 times a week. i do each muscle group 1 time a week, and as of now, i cut out cardio because i am trying to GAIN weight. I am 5'11 and up to 186lbs, trying to get to around 190-195, then i am going to go on a lean cycle.

and i hate to break it to you, but i actually DO have discipline, and i KNOW what i'm doing because i'm not LAZY and read up on what i should and shouldnt do in order to be fit.

EDIT: and dude, you must be a monster! you are 6'3 and 330lbs, that is massive! and no, i am not saying that in a bad way. i think its pretty awesome how some of those line men are so huge, like how they don't even look cut and what not, but they are solid as a rock. that is very impressive, good job :thumbsup:

6'5"....

What I'm saying is... people are so quick to dismiss fat people as a bunch of lazy lard asses... but the fact is, they are not. They are average americans, whose genetics dictate that they can't afford to be average.
Biiig difference between that and lazy...

I see those people and I understand when you say it disgusts you. But unlike you, I realize how incredibly easy it is to fall into that trap. I work out 3-4 times a week.. which is just maintaining my weight right now... I need to diet again to drop more weight... but damn I'm not looking forward to that... the body seeks to maintain it's weight which leads to extreme levels of hunger. If I can drop down to 270... I'll be ripped like a superstar That and I'm trying to get my bench up... I'm doing 10 reps with 315 now.... my objective is a max of 500, and reps with 405....

-Max

good luck on your goal. i still disagree. if this is so genetic, then how come people weren't this huge 100 years ago? When I see pictures of my grandfather with other troops from ww2 there are no fat people there? if it was all genetic, then the people today were decendants of them, so they wouldn't be fat also ... if we use your whole genetic theory.

im not saying it is not genetics at all... of course it is. but this comes into my other post. this is the problem because if you are born into a family where your parents are fat, you, as the child, are obviously going to start bad eating habits from a young age, and become a fat person just like your parents are. if you read my previous post, i said parents are the root of this problem sometimes, and i feel bad for kids who get fat because of their parents. however, this does not mean once you are old enough to learn you can't change your eating habits, and get discipline to not eat unhealthy stuff.

trust me dude i know, i have been pretty ripped at one point. It was hard for me to get that way because yes, you have to eat certain things. and me personally, i have a sweet tooth. in that pic i am about 172lbs or so, with like probably between 6-7% body fat. it was hard to eat properly for the month or 2 i was on the strict diet. but i had DISCIPLINE to do it, because I wanted to. if people have discipline they can do it. its not impossible. i know its hard, but if it was easy then EVERYBODY would be ripped or skinny.

now i'm 186lbs or so and i've gained alot of muscle, and im trying to gain more before i get ripped again. anyways, i'm off to taco bell since i'm on my bulk cycle, i am eating ANYTHING!

I've seen that pic before....did you get banned as purbeast0 or was there a problem with your account or something?

 

[SLU MD]

Genetic studies do show that there is some difference in metabolism. This difference has been shown to be about 20% over the general population. Max my friend, Im sorry, but if you are gaining weight at a rate of 10-15 lbs in 2 weeks when not working out, your eating habits are the problem. You can try to justify with slow metabolism, genetics, etc, but thats just not true with that kind of weight gain.

SLU M.D.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: SLU MD
Genetic studies do show that there is some difference in metabolism. This difference has been shown to be about 20% over the general population. Max my friend, Im sorry, but if you are gaining weight at a rate of 10-15 lbs in 2 weeks when not working out, your eating habits are the problem. You can try to justify with slow metabolism, genetics, etc, but thats just not true with that kind of weight gain.

SLU M.D.

The other thing about genetics is that it doesn't explain the massive increase in obesity in the last 10-15 years. Human beings just don't change that quickly from a genetic standpoint.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Afrotech

Originally posted by: Doboji
6'5"....

What I'm saying is... people are so quick to dismiss fat people as a bunch of lazy lard asses... but the fact is, they are not. They are average americans, whose genetics dictate that they can't afford to be average.
Biiig difference between that and lazy...

I see those people and I understand when you say it disgusts you. But unlike you, I realize how incredibly easy it is to fall into that trap. I work out 3-4 times a week.. which is just maintaining my weight right now... I need to diet again to drop more weight... but damn I'm not looking forward to that... the body seeks to maintain it's weight which leads to extreme levels of hunger. If I can drop down to 270... I'll be ripped like a superstar That and I'm trying to get my bench up... I'm doing 10 reps with 315 now.... my objective is a max of 500, and reps with 405....

-Max

ive been to 3rd world countries... ive seem real hunger. americans don't have extreme hunger, it all psychological... you can work past the hunger

There's a significant difference between extreme hunger in the desolet deserts of africa... and a 330 pound man just getting back from the gym staring at the twix bar in the snack machine...

by the way, that is really good. are you trying to lower your bodyfat % while gaining muscle? very hard to do... get the muscle first, then trim down. if you start loosing strenght in your workout, you know you need more calories or you will loose muscle.

Well I'm running a minimum of 1 mile before workouts, and am trying to slowly increase that distance. I realize that it's smarter to try to slim up seperately from lifting... but I enjoy lifting, thus keeping me interested, and lifting does burn alot of calories as well... so I might as well keep lifting.

good luck on your goal. i still disagree. if this is so genetic, then how come people weren't this huge 100 years ago? When I see pictures of my grandfather with other troops from ww2 there are no fat people there? if it was all genetic, then the people today were decendants of them, so they wouldn't be fat also ... if we use your whole genetic theory.

Things have changed alot since then... our overall physical activity has dropped... thus the instances of obesity have risen... in order to combat this more and more people have to artificially increase their activity levels. Furthermore, food availability (especially unhealthy foods) has greatly increased, in order to combat obesity we have to artificially contain our food intake. All of this is contrary to human nature... thus my overall point is... rather than scolding people who fail to put in the VERY HARD discipline necessary to combat their genetics + modern society, we should congratulate those who do succeed.

Furthermore... being fat comes with it's own penalties... calling people fat and lazy is hardly motivation for them to get healthy. If they're not motivated by lack of sex life, and lack of mobility... then calling them fat and lazy sure as hell isnt' goint to help. BTW I still don't consider them lazy...

-Max

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: SLU MD
Genetic studies do show that there is some difference in metabolism. This difference has been shown to be about 20% over the general population. Max my friend, Im sorry, but if you are gaining weight at a rate of 10-15 lbs in 2 weeks when not working out, your eating habits are the problem. You can try to justify with slow metabolism, genetics, etc, but thats just not true with that kind of weight gain.

SLU M.D.

The other thing about genetics is that it doesn't explain the massive increase in obesity in the last 10-15 years. Human beings just don't change that quickly from a genetic standpoint.

Noone is claiming it's purely genetics... it's genetics + modern society...

You think in the last 10-15 years there was suddenly a boom in lazy people?

-Max

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: SLU MD
Genetic studies do show that there is some difference in metabolism. This difference has been shown to be about 20% over the general population. Max my friend, Im sorry, but if you are gaining weight at a rate of 10-15 lbs in 2 weeks when not working out, your eating habits are the problem. You can try to justify with slow metabolism, genetics, etc, but thats just not true with that kind of weight gain.

SLU M.D.

The other thing about genetics is that it doesn't explain the massive increase in obesity in the last 10-15 years. Human beings just don't change that quickly from a genetic standpoint.

Noone is claiming it's purely genetics... it's genetics + modern society...

You think in the last 10-15 years there was suddenly a boom in lazy people?

-Max

My point was that you can't assign any more blame now on genetics than you could 30 years ago since the genetics really haven't changed (though our understanding of such has certainly broadened). Therefore, you have to look at the other factors.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

Then why does stomach stapling work?

It doesnt always... and when it does work, it forces those people to eat far less than normal people eat.... thus exactly what I said...

-Max

I never said always, few things are absolute. Do you know how often it does work? I was under the impression it was rather succesful, meaning a majority or obese people are overweight because of an input (food)/output(excersize).

 

[ThaPerculator]

If I can drop down to 270... I'll be ripped like a superstar That and I'm trying to get my bench up... I'm doing 10 reps with 315 now.... my objective is a max of 500, and reps with 405....

I could be wrong, but I think I remember Lou Ferrigno in his prime being like 6'5" 245lbs. I'd have to check.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: SLU MD
Genetic studies do show that there is some difference in metabolism. This difference has been shown to be about 20% over the general population. Max my friend, Im sorry, but if you are gaining weight at a rate of 10-15 lbs in 2 weeks when not working out, your eating habits are the problem. You can try to justify with slow metabolism, genetics, etc, but thats just not true with that kind of weight gain.

SLU M.D.

The other thing about genetics is that it doesn't explain the massive increase in obesity in the last 10-15 years. Human beings just don't change that quickly from a genetic standpoint.

Noone is claiming it's purely genetics... it's genetics + modern society...

You think in the last 10-15 years there was suddenly a boom in lazy people?

-Max

My point was that you can't assign any more blame now on genetics than you could 30 years ago since the genetics really haven't changed (though our understanding of such has certainly broadened). Therefore, you have to look at the other factors.

And I'm saying assuming that fat people are lazier and eat more than the average joe, is an incorrect assumption.

-Max

 

[Freejack2]

It's not easy being fat. I just can't help it. This time last year I weighed about 480 lbs. This year I weight over 520 lbs. I drive and I'm always in a hurry so I never have time to sit down for a meal. Oftentimes I'll go through a drive-thru and get three supersized meals. I do at least get the diet drink but that's pretty pointless when I'm eating 3 large packages of fries and 3 large burgers.
This morning the hotel I was staying in had a full breakfast buffet. I had at least 2 lbs of eggs, over a lb of bacon and sausage, 4 waffles, 8 pancakes, 5 bagels with cream cheese, a bowl of cereal, and a bowl of fruit. I should have eaten maybe 1 egg, a slice of bacon, and some fruit but I just can't help it, I see the food and I can't stop. Yesterday I went to a chinese buffet and ate 7 heaping plates of food. I was so full I could hardly move but I just couldn't stop eating until I reached that point.

All I ever do is work and eat, work and eat, work and eat. I'll probably eat myself to death but I just can't stop. Maybe a device like this could keep me from killing myself.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Freejack2
It's not easy being fat. I just can't help it. This time last year I weighed about 480 lbs. This year I weight over 520 lbs. I drive and I'm always in a hurry so I never have time to sit down for a meal. Oftentimes I'll go through a drive-thru and get three supersized meals. I do at least get the diet drink but that's pretty pointless when I'm eating 3 large packages of fries and 3 large burgers.
This morning the hotel I was staying in had a full breakfast buffet. I had at least 2 lbs of eggs, over a lb of bacon and sausage, 4 waffles, 8 pancakes, 5 bagels with cream cheese, a bowl of cereal, and a bowl of fruit. I should have eaten maybe 1 egg, a slice of bacon, and some fruit but I just can't help it, I see the food and I can't stop. Yesterday I went to a chinese buffet and ate 7 heaping plates of food. I was so full I could hardly move but I just couldn't stop eating until I reached that point.

All I ever do is work and eat, work and eat, work and eat. I'll probably eat myself to death but I just can't stop. Maybe a device like this could keep me from killing myself.

You have my sympathy man.... this society is not built for someone like you. I highly reccomend a drastic life change... quit your job if necessary.. make changing your life priority above all else... risk poverty, risk debt... risk everything.... get your health... it's more important than anything else.

-Max