New Watercooling Setup

[PCTC2]

This is probably aimed mostly at Aigo b/c he chose most of my loop for me.


Thermochiill 120.3
D-Tek Fusion CPU Block
EK FC79 GPU Block (x2 after August)
DangerDen 680i SPP Chipset Block
Swiftech MCW30 for MCP
Petra's Tech DDCT-01s Laing Pump
Swiftech MicroRes

I might add this if I'm doing a double loop:

Swiftech MCR220
Swiftech MCP355 (or 655?)
2nd MicroRes

Single Loop:
Res->Pump->Rad->CPU->NB->GPU->GPU->SB->Res

Dual Loop:
1)Res->PT Pump->TC Rad->CPU->NB->SB->Res
2)Res->ST Pump->ST Rad->->GPU->GPU->Res

This is all going into a new TJ-07. The 120.3 will go into the bottom and the 220 should fit inside the top compartment with the 2x120 exhaust fans up top.

I'm getting a Q6600 after July 22nd and a second 7950GT in September so this is going to be for that mainly. For now, I'll just pump every last ounce of power out of my E6400.

Is there anything terribly wrong with my setup?

I'm going to need 9 fans. What fans are best for radiators? More pressure (turbines) or more CFMs?

(Only a few paychecks away... got enough for the first loop now... just need money for the case, the quad, and the possible second loop)

Thanks.

 

[trOver]

aigo's online, he will comment soon!

 

[aigomorla]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Your setup seems great.

I would honestly split the loop up in two. It allows more lvl of control for heat in your system.

The best fans for the thermochill is Yate Loons DSH. There fairly cheap and you can get them at jab-tech.com

The reason why i say best, is because cathar quoted that those fans were used in reference when he designed the radiator.

A more expensive fan which would give better performance is the sharkloon golfballs. However there kinda hard to find.


And if you have the space i would go with dual loops as you desribed. I would recomend the 655 over the DDC because they dont make the DDC-2's anymore. Its DDC-3.1 and 3.2 which perform worse then there predecesors.

I believe you can mount a dual radiator in the bottom of the TJ-07. You will need a hard drive bay for the hard drives if you do this. I would try to fit a MCR320 as the second radaitor, and it should hold up to whatever video card u want in the future.


If money is kinda short, i told you the MCR320 will do fine as well, and its 50 dollars. You could buy 2 for the price of 1 TC. And since your heat load is quite small on a dual loop, I dont think you'll come close to stressing the MCR320.

 

[PCTC2]

Thanks again Aigo.

Yeah, the problem with the dual rad's in the bottom is the powersupply. With 2 triple rads, The powersupply would not fit anymore. I could just try to do some case mods to make it fit. If I remember correctly, the build you probably are also thinking of was a 120.2 and a 120.3 in the bottom. But I'll make it work. I can remount the PSU in a different config/position if need be.

But what's an extra $80 for the Thermochill? For the better performance, I think I can buckle the belt another notch and get it. It'll be worth it later. And I've already got a few harddrive bays from my Antec 900 and my TJ-07 will be black so it'll work.

Well, I priced out the dual loop w/ TJ-07: $934+ S/H. Halfway there.

I will post a work log once I get all the parts (it may be a few months.)

 

[MotF Bane]

........
PCTC2, try www.microcenter.com if you want a DDC-2 pump. However, the D5's will give you faster flow without any modifications.
Aigo, D12SH-12's on a Thermochill? Those are going to be howling. Besides, with that kind of airflow, even 1 gpm would give a dissipation of about 550 watts... seems to be really loud overkill.

 

[drakore]

i think he meant to run the DSH's at 7V, usually that is what happens... sweet dual loop setup... can't you mod the DCC-3.1 to perform the same as the DCC-2 anyways?

i think 2x MCR320's will be good enough... thermochills are pricey and not always the easiest to find... especially if you live in canada like me.

Ummm however if you have the money then meh...

 

[aigomorla]

LOL... silly me, i ment to tell him to downvolt it.

The DSH's will give him headroom when its during the day and he's out. Who cares about noise when your not in the room. Then he can crank them back down when he wants quiet. And crank them back up when he needs the cooling.


As for the TC, its the best radiator. Hands down, but lets do some math again, since everyone likes to see numbers:

If the radiator is ment to disapate more then 500W, and your cpu only puts out 200W or so on heat, im using a Quadcore as an example, Your head room is 300W.

The radiator can only bring the coolant down so low, ambient room temp, and then it will rise again once it hits your cpu, and other blocks.

If you splitting the loop into 2, u definitely wont need a PA series, because a MCR320, can handle a quadcore + Board + 7900 class without stressing. The PA is needed if you want a G80 GTX in the loop.

So, when i was advising you, you told me single loop, with 1 grafix card, or sli on the 7900GT with cpu + board.

Thats why i recomended the PA series. Now if your splitting the loop up, the MCR320 will handle the quadcore without any problems and your board. That takes care of that side.

Your GPU with the second radiator will handle that without stressing either. And if you plan to SLI G80 GTX's YOU need to split the loop up. The videocards alone dump around 400W of heat.


One last thing, if your going to dual loop it, i highly recomend you alternate coolant colors. Meaning put your gfx cards on blue, and your CPU on red. Or vice versa with any color.

It makes the rig look a lot cooler, and it helps you point out where your leaking, should that ever occur.

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0721.jpg

dual loop dual color looks really flashy!

 

[tylerdustin2008]

Sharkoon Silent Eagle


If that helps you any aigo.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: tylerdustin2008
Sharkoon Silent Eagle


If that helps you any aigo.

lol.... i prefer my yates at 3.50 each.

 

[tylerdustin2008]

Yea me too!

 

[PCTC2]

yeah. I have a fan controller anyways for the YATES. I usually have music playing with noise-cancelling headphones so I can't hear any fans. I don't care about noise. Performance is what I go for.

I probably will just get 2 MCR320's cuz I'm only getting a second 7950GT. The MCR320 will be able to handle that. I don't game too much. If anything, I might get a single 8800 GTX. How much heat can a MCR320 dissipate anyways, about 400W? It's $85 cheaper so that's money I can use toward other things, like a new harddrive to replace my 320 that failed.

And my loops will be green and blue. I planned on doing two colors anyways. . Blue for the CPU loop and green for the GPU.

Thanks guys. I have enough for the loops but not the case, the second 7950, or the quad yet. Will be a few months before I get this rig up and running.

And just one last quick question. I might just try a pelt system cuz I have an auxiliary PSU for a 5.25" bay. If I wanted to use a pelt on the D-Tek, would i put a copper plate, then the pelt, and then the D-Tek, with Neoprene insulation around and behind the socket w/ dielectric grease as well? Just wondering...

 

[MotF Bane]

Aigo, do you know the stats for a DSH on 7V by any chance? I haven't been able to find them.

PCTC2, is this your first water build? I'd say see how it goes first, try it out; before adding on a peltier system.

 

[simonnance]

seems the UK gets the better end of the deal with the Sharkoons.... we can get them cheaper than most other fans, Scythe, Dustproofs, Noctuas, ect

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Aigo, do you know the stats for a DSH on 7V by any chance? I haven't been able to find them.

you do this for 7v?

 

[aigomorla]

the MCR320 can handle 2 8800GTX in SLI without a problem.

Since your loop is split up, the temps of the GPU's play little matter. Remember GPU's were intended to be ran at high temps, over 60C in most cases. The watercooling on the MCR320, users have reported to me on SLI it will load up no higher then 50C.

This is still significantly better then AIR.


The CPU is your primary concern because overclocking and performance is very dependant on the CPU.


So if you double loop with dual MCR320's you most likely wont have to upgrade on the radiator department. Well, maybe if you decide to get a X3900000000000000XT in the future which will run at 250W each for a total of 500W. <being kinda sacrastic in this statement, but the numbers are correct>

I believe the MCR320 can handle a total of 410-450W

Average 8800GTX <--- the hottest card ever. has 170-200W

The 8900GTX's are suposed to arrive soon, and dump less heat. This is why i havent upgraded gfx cards. Theres no way you can convince me to drop 2 8800GTX's in any loop, because there major furnaces.

then you'll need to grab a TC.

 

[abhong]

hmm... could be a good time to see if the 8800gtx drops in price???

i did not know that the 8800's produced so much heat.

btw, whassup over at XS?

 

[PCTC2]

thanks again guys.

this is my first loop for my own use. i helped a friend build a loop for his system but that's not mine, is it?

i was always on a strict budget but now i can be a little more liberal in my spending. air was decent for the money, but once I get a total $2,200 my computer will be finished... LOL (on top of the $2,200 i've already spent on it. why do i feel the need to overclock?!?!?!)

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: PCTC2
thanks again guys.

this is my first loop for my own use. i helped a friend build a loop for his system but that's not mine, is it?

i was always on a strict budget but now i can be a little more liberal in my spending. air was decent for the money, but once I get a total $2,200 my computer will be finished... LOL (on top of the $2,200 i've already spent on it. why do i feel the need to overclock?!?!?!)

because its not a dell

 

[PCTC2]

yeah, i found this thread over at XS. TJ07 WC Dual Rad

I won't be able to fit 2 MCR320's in the bottom. I might have to go with an MCR320 and a PA.120.2 or a PA.120.3 and a PA.120.2 like the XS build.
If I go with a MCR220 and MCR320, the price remains about the same, but if I go a MCR320 and a PA.120.2, the price goes up $80 and with the 2 thermochills, then the price jumps up about $160. Would it be worth it?
Also, he used 90 deg fittings on his 120.2 to fit it. Would these work with either 120x2 radiator? Alphacool 90 deg fittings

 

[aigomorla]

dont get the PA120.2

Its not worth it from a financial standpoint at your current rig.

In most cases the MCR220, will perform a tad bit less then the PA120.2 according to new tests done by Thermochill.

The PA120.3 is a totall different story however. If anything, i would PA120.3 and MCR220.


But you shouldnt see that much of a big difference from MCR220 + MCR320.


Have you thought of mounting the radiator at the top of your TJ-07?


Keep searching XS, and i would recomend you to contact a guy named Mcoffy. Iany is also a good person to contact as he had fit a 120x4 BIX + 120.3 in his TJ.

 

[PCTC2]

well then, PA 120.3 and an MCR220 it is.
And I was looking through XS and found your UFO build again. I liked those EK reservoirs you use. Should I stay with the MicroRes's or would you recommend the EK's? cuz they look great.
thanks again Aigo.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: PCTC2
well then, PA 120.3 and an MCR220 it is.
And I was looking through XS and found your UFO build again. I liked those EK reservoirs you use. Should I stay with the MicroRes's or would you recommend the EK's? cuz they look great.
thanks again Aigo.

EK's have a very bad cyclone effect if you use a strong pump, and low restriction blocks.

You might get annoyed.

I would go with the MCRes until EK's new revisions are available. And i have no idea on when that will be. Most likely next month, or 2-3 weeks.

 

[PCTC2]

oh well. Well, I'm going with a single loop until I have more money. Otherwise I know I'm going to use it on something else and regret it. Then, when I get more money, I'll switch to a dual loop.

For now.
MCRes->T-Line->DDCT-01s (18W 3.2)->MCR320->D-Tek FuZion->EK-FC79->DD Maze4 680i NB->MCW30 SB->MCres

This is only until I get enough money to buy:
MCR220
second 7950GT + second EK-FC79
Q6600
MCP655
Silverstone Black TJ-07-W
New 7 Channel Fan Controller
LCD Thermometers
New EK Reservoirs (Maybe?) or just a second MCRes

Can any find a Thermochill PA 120.3? I would like one over the MCR320 but everywhere seems to be OoS.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: PCTC2
oh well. Well, I'm going with a single loop until I have more money. Otherwise I know I'm going to use it on something else and regret it. Then, when I get more money, I'll switch to a dual loop.

For now.
MCRes->T-Line->DDCT-01s (18W 3.2)->MCR320->D-Tek FuZion->EK-FC79->DD Maze4 680i NB->MCW30 SB->MCres

This is only until I get enough money to buy:
MCR220
second 7950GT + second EK-FC79
Q6600
MCP655
Silverstone Black TJ-07-W
New 7 Channel Fan Controller
LCD Thermometers
New EK Reservoirs (Maybe?) or just a second MCRes

Can any find a Thermochill PA 120.3? I would like one over the MCR320 but everywhere seems to be OoS.

a few stores to look at.

Jab-tech.com
Mountainmods.com
Dangerden.com

 

[LOUISSSSS]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: trOver
aigo's online, he will comment soon!</end quote></div>

he'll also tell you his great stories about how great his OC's are when he got a Core 2 to 3.6ghz when the average air OC is 3.2-3.4ghz.

those extra 200mhz-400mhz cost an additional $200-400 over a simple Zalman 9700 or Tuniq Tower