uh... i like nsync more than the backstreet boys personally. ANd yeah the newest drivers i believe 1.05s in win2k make a big difference. they wrote a new opengl driver revision, so its like 20% faster.
jesus, why dont you guys leave him alone about the BSB already? He can like whatever he wants to. He didnt ask anyone here to like them.
now, I installed the new drivers last week or whenever and I have only played one game with them, Madden 2001, so I dont know if makes anything else play better. I doubt it though, new drivers usually just fix problems, not really increase performance on a level that anyone is going to notice.
now, I installed the new drivers last week or whenever and I have only played one game with them, Madden 2001, so I dont know if makes anything else play better. I doubt it though, new drivers usually just fix problems, not really increase performance on a level that anyone is going to notice.
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<< as for musical talent, i think making a tune that sounds great forever is far better than making a rhyme with baby as every second word that sounds great for the next 2 weeks >>
Lots of people still listen to songs off the original nsync and BSB cds, I find them to be very lasting.
<< Uh ......... uh .......... Nobody and I mean NOBODY should know that much about the Backstreet Boys. Dude, you are creeping me out >>
Actually, I learned alot of it from my brother. He is also a future boy band member
<< Um, they're not musicians, they're over-rated karaoke singers. They have no talent. Do they write songs or play instruments? Singing isn't exactly the hardest thing when you're a teenager if you have the right training (two weeks is all you need... half the population already have the voice for it, just need to get the breathing right)... and don't tell me you consider what they do on stage dancing? >>
Yes they do write songs. And you can be a musician without playing instruments. And who says some of them can't? Maybe they just don't in the group, that doesn't mean they can't. The Backstreet Boys are primarily in their 20's, so much for the teenager talent. And no, half the population does NOT have the voice for it, like I said before, Brian especially, or any BSB member, could beat out the lead singer of any band. BSB doesn't do as much dancing, but nsync does do alot of dancing, and yes it is dancing. Much more talented than jumping around like many bands do.
<< uh... i like nsync more than the backstreet boys personally >>
So do I.
<< jesus, why dont you guys leave him alone about the BSB already? >>
lol it would be nice, but I can prove everything they say wrong, so let them try.
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Everytime I see a new one of those "hit single" pop-tarts I almost cringe. Sure the girls have pretty faces (which is good IMHO! ) but their (boys and girls) music totally blows. All they have is marketing money and hype surrounding them but they have no real talent. The thing about this is that their producers wouldn't do things like this if there weren't people out there stupid enough to run out and buy the "one hit single" albums.
After the first album you rarely hear from them again. It's pretty much a miracle the Spice Girls have managed to actually produce more than one album. I guess there's always one who goes against the trend right? In stark contrast look how long most rock bands last, where going for 10-15 years is not unheard of. They last because they have real talent and often they simply split up because they get sick of each other rather than because they start producing crappy music.
) but their (boys and girls) music totally blows. All they have is marketing money and hype surrounding them but they have no real talent. The thing about this is that their producers wouldn't do things like this if there weren't people out there stupid enough to run out and buy the "one hit single" albums. After the first album you rarely hear from them again. It's pretty much a miracle the Spice Girls have managed to actually produce more than one album. I guess there's always one who goes against the trend right?
In stark contrast look how long most rock bands last, where going for 10-15 years is not unheard of. They last because they have real talent and often they simply split up because they get sick of each other rather than because they start producing crappy music.LOL, I love the way the mods clearly don't have the time for little old us over here in the video forum. Else this thread would have been locked ages ago
well, the arguement about them not writing songs is stupid. hardly any "singers" IE, celine dion, witney houston, mariah carey etc, write their own songs. they have songwriters. they are just performers, as the BSB are. and no one says celine dion....shutter....doesnt have talent for singing.
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Nsync has two regular albums and a christmas. 98 Degrees has 3, plus a christmas. BSB has 3. Britney has 2. Christina has 1 regular, 1 latin, 1 christmas. Mandy Moore has 2.
Whoah! Somebody stop the pop revolution! 3 albums! What a glorious career!
Let me know when a pop tart survives as long as AC/DC, Van Halen, Metallica, Faith No More or The Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Whoah! Somebody stop the pop revolution! 3 albums! What a glorious career!
Let me know when a pop tart survives as long as AC/DC, Van Halen, Metallica, Faith No More or The Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Deeko
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I'm sorry, I'll try to get them to put out an album every 5 days....Geez. BSB, NSync, and 98* are all still going strong, they aren't going anywhere soon. Mariah Carey is much like them as well, how many albums does she have? Right.....and only that one style of music you mention is good and succsesful, right? Dr. Dre(lol maybe he's not pop, but he's not rock crap) has been around for how many years? And how many other artists has he started up? But only artists like Metallica are any good....cause they don't have the marketing. Right, Dre had alot of marketing in his early career. Back to pop...I checked my CDs, all of the "big three" boy bands wrote at least half of the songs on their latest albums. Compare that to most singers, who don't write anything. Pretty lame, isn't it? Man, why are they selling millions of records?
<< think making a tune that sounds great forever is far better than making a rhyme with baby as every second word that sounds great for the next 2 weeks >>
Who says people won't be listening to God Must Have Spent or Bye Bye Bye or Larger Than Life or Baby One More Time or any of the most popular songs 10 years from now?
<< think making a tune that sounds great forever is far better than making a rhyme with baby as every second word that sounds great for the next 2 weeks >>
Who says people won't be listening to God Must Have Spent or Bye Bye Bye or Larger Than Life or Baby One More Time or any of the most popular songs 10 years from now?
You're all jealous because the boy bands are getting all the girls. You know thats why you hate them, you hate them because other people hate them.
On topic: I have no clue about V5 drivers. Are they being released on a regular basis? I own a V3 currently, but I haven't updated the drivers recently. I was waiting on a stable TV driver for Win2K (I have the 3500), but it's somewhat moot since I cannot connect that computer to the cable jack. :|
Off topic: My wife likes the Backstreet Boys, and I have to admit that they do have some talent. Their harmony is NOT something that happens by accident though anyone has to say that they are a "manufactured" band in the sense that the fat pedophilic closet homosexual from Florida who launched them and iN-stink (as well as his new one, O-Town, whatever the fsck that is) just puts together voices and markets them really well. Their marketing, however, does not invalidate their vocal talent, which is indeed present if you have any concept of music.
Saying that only garage bands have talent is myopic in the extreme. I despise Mariah Carey with a passion, but she has tremendous vocal range and far surpasses most other female singers in that regard. It's too bad she sings crappy music, however. Fame does not erase talent, nor does obscurity create it. Metallica does have considerable talent, but that doesn't suddenly elevate every other garage rock band to some otherworldly state. Most remain in obscurity simply because they SUCK. No other way around it.
Metallicas early music didn't receive a lot of radio time because they were unknown and because it was too rough for airtime. They changed considerably over the years and polished their sound, which has irked some of their fans but has broadened their appeal quite a bit.
Simply because you don't like the music doesn't suddenly make it "untalented". Do you hate classical music? Tell me Vivaldi, Beethoven, Mozart, Brahms, or Haydn were untalented -- they didn't play garage rock, now did they?
Ok, sorry -- had to rant a little.
Off topic: My wife likes the Backstreet Boys, and I have to admit that they do have some talent. Their harmony is NOT something that happens by accident though anyone has to say that they are a "manufactured" band in the sense that the fat pedophilic closet homosexual from Florida who launched them and iN-stink (as well as his new one, O-Town, whatever the fsck that is) just puts together voices and markets them really well. Their marketing, however, does not invalidate their vocal talent, which is indeed present if you have any concept of music.
Saying that only garage bands have talent is myopic in the extreme. I despise Mariah Carey with a passion, but she has tremendous vocal range and far surpasses most other female singers in that regard. It's too bad she sings crappy music, however. Fame does not erase talent, nor does obscurity create it. Metallica does have considerable talent, but that doesn't suddenly elevate every other garage rock band to some otherworldly state. Most remain in obscurity simply because they SUCK. No other way around it.
Metallicas early music didn't receive a lot of radio time because they were unknown and because it was too rough for airtime. They changed considerably over the years and polished their sound, which has irked some of their fans but has broadened their appeal quite a bit.
Simply because you don't like the music doesn't suddenly make it "untalented". Do you hate classical music? Tell me Vivaldi, Beethoven, Mozart, Brahms, or Haydn were untalented -- they didn't play garage rock, now did they?
Ok, sorry -- had to rant a little.
<< You're all jealous because the boy bands are getting all the girls. You know thats why you hate them, you hate them because other people hate them >>
if that were true all bands would be hated. Hell, even Michael Jackson gets girls.
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Deeko:
Compare that to most singers, who don't write anything.
You mean pop singers? Because you can't be talking about rock singers, who often write entire albums on their own.
Who says people won't be listening to any of the most popular songs 10 years from now?
Because they won't be. Most pop-tart songs have a lifespan of about a year maximum or however long the band takes to split up, whichever comes first. Quickly, without looking at your albums tell me the most popular pop-albums that came out in 1990/1991 (nine-ten years ago), and also tell me which "hit singles" off those albums you still listen to, or that even have radio airtime.
I can mention dozens of rock songs which came out at that time period (even before) which still sound as good today as they did then, and still receive regular radio airtime. Rock music lasts longer because it has talent behind it. People listen to it because they like it, not because they have some marketing BS forced down their throat.
AndrewR:
Tell me Vivaldi, Beethoven, Mozart, Brahms, or Haydn were untalented -- they didn't play garage rock, now did they?
Classical music is a little different. Those guys were talented and the fact that I hate classical music has no relevance to the composers' talents. On the other hand a good 85% of all pop-tarts should never have even come into existance, but were instead proppped up by managers/producers who produced "hit singles" for them.
Moralpanic:
if that were true all bands would be hated.
That's not quite true. Let's just say a lot of the boy band members are very "friendly" to their other band members.
Hell, even Michael Jackson gets girls
He does? I find that very hard to believe. I don't think most girls get turned on by him wearing bandages, nappies and gas-masks. LOL!
Deeko:
Compare that to most singers, who don't write anything.
You mean pop singers? Because you can't be talking about rock singers, who often write entire albums on their own.
Who says people won't be listening to any of the most popular songs 10 years from now?
Because they won't be. Most pop-tart songs have a lifespan of about a year maximum or however long the band takes to split up, whichever comes first. Quickly, without looking at your albums tell me the most popular pop-albums that came out in 1990/1991 (nine-ten years ago), and also tell me which "hit singles" off those albums you still listen to, or that even have radio airtime.
I can mention dozens of rock songs which came out at that time period (even before) which still sound as good today as they did then, and still receive regular radio airtime. Rock music lasts longer because it has talent behind it. People listen to it because they like it, not because they have some marketing BS forced down their throat.
AndrewR:
Tell me Vivaldi, Beethoven, Mozart, Brahms, or Haydn were untalented -- they didn't play garage rock, now did they?
Classical music is a little different. Those guys were talented and the fact that I hate classical music has no relevance to the composers' talents. On the other hand a good 85% of all pop-tarts should never have even come into existance, but were instead proppped up by managers/producers who produced "hit singles" for them.
Moralpanic:
if that were true all bands would be hated.
That's not quite true. Let's just say a lot of the boy band members are very "friendly" to their other band members.
Hell, even Michael Jackson gets girls
He does? I find that very hard to believe. I don't think most girls get turned on by him wearing bandages, nappies and gas-masks. LOL!
i never understood why if you were a guy and liked bsb, nsync you were ridiculed as being gay, but it was ok to listen to shai, silk, boyz 2 men, jodeci, kci and jojo, dru hill, htown, etc. I think its just because their white and somehow that makes no sense. Without seeing them its really the same type of music. Anyways i like em all, and i'm a guy and i've gotten ridiculed for it.
DAMN I STARTED THIS TO TALK ABOUT THE V5 DRIVERS AND LOOK AT WHERE IT WENT>....I WONDER HOW LONG THIS THREAD WILL GET BEFORE ITS LOCKED???
Deeko
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<< DAMN I STARTED THIS TO TALK ABOUT THE V5 DRIVERS AND LOOK AT WHERE IT WENT>....I WONDER HOW LONG THIS THREAD WILL GET BEFORE ITS LOCKED??? >>
Calm down man, I already answered the V5 questions, so did other people.
<< You mean pop singers? Because you can't be talking about rock singers, who often write entire albums on their own. >>
yes that is what I meant. Look at Ricky Martin, he doesn't write anything.
<< Because they won't be. Most pop-tart songs have a lifespan of about a year maximum or however long the band takes to split up, whichever comes first. Quickly, without looking at your albums tell me the most popular pop-albums that came out in 1990/1991 (nine-ten years ago), and also tell me which "hit singles" off those albums you still listen to, or that even have radio airtime. >>
Well, That's gonna be tough for me to do. I'm only 16 buddy, so in 90 I was 6 years old. I didn't start to really listen to music until about 3 or 4 years ago. But my friend who is a mainstream DJ like myself could easily do that, and he does still listen to them.
<< Their harmony is NOT something that happens by accident though anyone has to say that they are a "manufactured" band in the sense that the fat pedophilic closet homosexual from Florida who launched them and iN-stink (as well as his new one, O-Town, whatever the fsck that is) just puts together voices and markets them really well. >>
While I agreed with more of your points, this one is not true, at least in the Backstreet Boys' case. I already explained how they began. And the group doesn't just become popular because he is good at his job and has alot of marketing. Look at LFO, he started them up last year or 2 years ago, where are they now? Nowhere to be found. It really lies in talent.
<< People listen to it because they like it, not because they have some marketing BS forced down their throat. >>
What are you talking about? I have all the popular music of today, yet my favorite is pop. So it's not like I'm influenced by marketing...another thing about marketing....Lou Bega got hundreds of commercials on MTV before his album was released, guess what, he's nowhere now. More proof that talent has a liiittlle something to do with it.
I'm enjoying this guys, I so love being right! Keep em comin!
Deeko
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<< Who says people won't be listening to any of the most popular songs 10 years from now?
Because they won't be. >>
Oh really. Of those that I mentioned, God Must Have Spent will almost surly go down in history. It is off of nsync's first album in 96 or 97, and it is my most requested song. It WILL still be requested 10 years from now. That is, unless nsync or BSB releases a new single that tops it.
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Deeko:
Well, That's gonna be tough for me to do. I'm only 16 buddy, so in 90 I was 6 years old. I didn't start to really listen to music until about 3 or 4 years ago.
Well I wasn't listening to music in 1990 either and I didn't really start until 1994. Yet despite all this I am still well aware of the rock songs which came out in 1990 and well before 1990. If pop songs are as popular and long lasting as you claim they are, you should be in the same position as me and have a full recollection of them.
The fact that you or I were too young and/or not into music at that time is irellevant. If the songs are good they will last.
It is off of nsync's first album in 96 or 97, and it is my most requested song. It WILL still be requested 10 years from now
2000-1996 = 4.
2000-1997 = 3.
I just don't see where you get ten from.
I'm enjoying this guys, I so love being right! Keep em comin!
You aren't right. All you've proven is that you have indepth knowledge about the BS boys (BS being the key word.).
I think I'll stop argueing now. This is getting waaaay off topic and the Anandtech guys will get annoyed if it carries on for much longer.
Deeko:
Well, That's gonna be tough for me to do. I'm only 16 buddy, so in 90 I was 6 years old. I didn't start to really listen to music until about 3 or 4 years ago.
Well I wasn't listening to music in 1990 either and I didn't really start until 1994. Yet despite all this I am still well aware of the rock songs which came out in 1990 and well before 1990. If pop songs are as popular and long lasting as you claim they are, you should be in the same position as me and have a full recollection of them.
The fact that you or I were too young and/or not into music at that time is irellevant. If the songs are good they will last.
It is off of nsync's first album in 96 or 97, and it is my most requested song. It WILL still be requested 10 years from now
2000-1996 = 4.
2000-1997 = 3.
I just don't see where you get ten from.
I'm enjoying this guys, I so love being right! Keep em comin!
You aren't right. All you've proven is that you have indepth knowledge about the BS boys (BS being the key word.
).I think I'll stop argueing now. This is getting waaaay off topic and the Anandtech guys will get annoyed if it carries on for much longer.
Deeko
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Right, I said it will be, as in 10 years from now, it will still be requested. I don't have a full recolection of them because I don't listen to music that isn't more than like, 2 days old. With my job, if I play something that is more than like 6 months old, people don't like it. And I've only had this job for a year and a half. So I don't get all that much of a chance to go back on the old times back when I didn't listen to music. Also, there are alot more songs in the genres I like(pop, rap, r&b, dance) than in your metallicaish genre. So there are more songs to listen to, so I don't go back to the old ones. I'm sure people who listen to pop and pop alone know the early 90's songs quite well. Anyway, I said waaay up at the top that people should PM me their arguments, as this is the video forum, but people keep posting them here, so I'm retaliating. I'll post it again in case you missed it the first time
<< ...back on topic...if you think I can't prove you guys wrong again, feal free to PM me... >>
<< ...back on topic...if you think I can't prove you guys wrong again, feal free to PM me... >>
Heh, interesting thread. I am guessing most of the anti-boy band people are a little older than 16-18? =) But see, you said that only rock bands produce good music, but what if someone likes this type of music, and not rock?
Just leave poor Deeko alone. =)
Just leave poor Deeko alone. =)
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