New video from BART shooting

[Red Squirrel]

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: tranceport
It's like law and order in here. We are at sentencing in under an hour.

From the video we have concluded the following:

1. The officer has a personality issue, he enjoys being cruel and has now escalated it to killing.
2. A lethal injection is needed to stop him.
3. The video is the only evidence we need to pass judgment. Statements, video from other view points, anything else is not needed.
4. Anyone who chooses to defend this officer is a disgusting human being.
5. The officers true intentions mean nothing only the end result.
6. Had the man only been injured things would have been different.
7. Detaining a suspect with 2 other officers does not constitute heat of battle and no mistakes are possible.

I hope this cop can get a fair trial... You guys have me worried.

lolololol! we need espn instant replay from 5 different angles with enhance! enhance! enhance!

it was a "mistake"! grant was mistakenly on the ground face down. the cop was mistakenly already on top of him, with his knees mistakenly on grants back. then he mistakenly grabbed a weapon, despite already being on top, mistook the gun for the
taser, and accidentally grabbed the trigger. OOPS! he made a booby!

loool espn instant replay.

I smell an edit with sports announcers in the background.

"Now watch in slow motion as he takes his gun out. And here's another angle, you clearly see the bullet coming out."

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: tranceport
It's like law and order in here. We are at sentencing in under an hour.

From the video we have concluded the following:

1. The officer has a personality issue, he enjoys being cruel and has now escalated it to killing.
2. A lethal injection is needed to stop him.
3. The video is the only evidence we need to pass judgment. Statements, video from other view points, anything else is not needed.
4. Anyone who chooses to defend this officer is a disgusting human being.
5. The officers true intentions mean nothing only the end result.
6. Had the man only been injured things would have been different.
7. Detaining a suspect with 2 other officers does not constitute heat of battle and no mistakes are possible.

I hope this cop can get a fair trial... You guys have me worried.

lolololol! we need espn instant replay from 5 different angles with enhance! enhance! enhance!

it was a "mistake"! grant was mistakenly on the ground face down. the cop was mistakenly already on top of him, with his knees mistakenly on grants back. then he mistakenly grabbed a weapon, despite already being on top, mistook the gun for the
taser, and accidentally grabbed the trigger. OOPS! he made a booby!

That was intelligent..

How about some other cell phone videos? Transit station security cameras? Officer statements? Witness statements?

You have to realize that you cannot understand what is going on from a single short video?

I'm not trying to say there should be nothing done here... I'm only saying that before we stick a needle in this officers arm, lets be sure of what was intended and what happened. We only have a video and a final result.

We cannot go from incident to punishment. That is one thing that is for sure, not the right thing.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: tranceport
It's like law and order in here. We are at sentencing in under an hour.

From the video we have concluded the following:

1. The officer has a personality issue, he enjoys being cruel and has now escalated it to killing.
2. A lethal injection is needed to stop him.
3. The video is the only evidence we need to pass judgment. Statements, video from other view points, anything else is not needed.
4. Anyone who chooses to defend this officer is a disgusting human being.
5. The officers true intentions mean nothing only the end result.
6. Had the man only been injured things would have been different.
7. Detaining a suspect with 2 other officers does not constitute heat of battle and no mistakes are possible.

I hope this cop can get a fair trial... You guys have me worried.

The only reason why any of you apologists are defending the murderer is because he has a badge.

If that was anyone other than a cop who shot that guy, who was lying flat on his stomach with his hands behind his back and held by three other men, then NO ONE would be defending him.

And yes, considering how little accountability police officers face in this country, it is rational to expect our flawed justice system to unjustly let this murderer off scot free.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: tranceport
It's like law and order in here. We are at sentencing in under an hour.

From the video we have concluded the following:

1. The officer has a personality issue, he enjoys being cruel and has now escalated it to killing.
2. A lethal injection is needed to stop him.
3. The video is the only evidence we need to pass judgment. Statements, video from other view points, anything else is not needed.
4. Anyone who chooses to defend this officer is a disgusting human being.
5. The officers true intentions mean nothing only the end result.
6. Had the man only been injured things would have been different.
7. Detaining a suspect with 2 other officers does not constitute heat of battle and no mistakes are possible.

I hope this cop can get a fair trial... You guys have me worried.

lolololol! we need espn instant replay from 5 different angles with enhance! enhance! enhance!

it was a "mistake"! grant was mistakenly on the ground face down. the cop was mistakenly already on top of him, with his knees mistakenly on grants back. then he mistakenly grabbed a weapon, despite already being on top, mistook the gun for the
taser, and accidentally grabbed the trigger. OOPS! he made a booby!

That was intelligent..

How about some other cell phone videos? Transit station security cameras? Officer statements? Witness statements?

You have to realize that you cannot understand what is going on from a single short video?

I'm not trying to say there should be nothing done here... I'm only saying that before we stick a needle in this officers arm, lets be sure of what was intended and what happened. We only have a video and a final result.

We cannot go from incident to punishment. That is one thing that is for sure, not the right thing.

I bet I can find many people sitting on death row with no video, witness statements, and 3 more videos. And I bet you have no objects to that. You want the police officer to get special treatment.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: tranceport
It's like law and order in here. We are at sentencing in under an hour.

From the video we have concluded the following:

1. The officer has a personality issue, he enjoys being cruel and has now escalated it to killing.
2. A lethal injection is needed to stop him.
3. The video is the only evidence we need to pass judgment. Statements, video from other view points, anything else is not needed.
4. Anyone who chooses to defend this officer is a disgusting human being.
5. The officers true intentions mean nothing only the end result.
6. Had the man only been injured things would have been different.
7. Detaining a suspect with 2 other officers does not constitute heat of battle and no mistakes are possible.

I hope this cop can get a fair trial... You guys have me worried.

lolololol! we need espn instant replay from 5 different angles with enhance! enhance! enhance!

it was a "mistake"! grant was mistakenly on the ground face down. the cop was mistakenly already on top of him, with his knees mistakenly on grants back. then he mistakenly grabbed a weapon, despite already being on top, mistook the gun for the
taser, and accidentally grabbed the trigger. OOPS! he made a booby!

That was intelligent..

How about some other cell phone videos? Transit station security cameras? Officer statements? Witness statements?

You have to realize that you cannot understand what is going on from a single short video?

I'm not trying to say there should be nothing done here... I'm only saying that before we stick a needle in this officers arm, lets be sure of what was intended and what happened. We only have a video and a final result.

We cannot go from incident to punishment. That is one thing that is for sure, not the right thing.

I'm sure some of those exist not to mention all the eye witnesses. There's probably at least 40 people they can interview, who got a front row seat.

I do agree he should get a fair trial, the key is, they need to treat it as if it was anyone else who did it. I think that video along with eye witnesses should be enough but any other videos are better of course. There's always the argument that the video was edited and the courts could just throw it out so the more the better.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: tranceport

We have only seen a video.

From this are well concluding that the officer pulled his firearm and squeezed the trigger with full knowledge that he was about to destroy his target? Is there no chance he meant only to pull out the firearm or taser? We are sure?

What difference does it make?


Cop is a sadistic killer, intentionally killed a helpless man by shooting him in the back, may well do it again given the same chance.

Cop is horribly incompetent and incapable of determining the difference between a taser and a gun, also incapable of realizing that a helpless man with back turned doesn't need to be shot with a taser, may well make similar or worse mistakes in the future resulting in more innocent men dying.

Either way the cop should be given a lethal injection or put away for life.

neither will happen, he MIGHT lose his job but somehow I don't even think that will happen. Anyone who believes this was an accident and had nothing to do race needs to spend a week living in the inner city. Sadly this video doesn't surprise me, while I've never see the police shoot somebody in person I've seen innocent people get harassed and beat. Lucky for the police who shot him a lot of Americans will see a minority and go "WELL HE WAS A CRIMINAL!"

Where I live I wish we had people to protect us from the police...

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: preslove

The only reason why any of you apologists are defending the murderer is because he has a badge.

if it was someone close to them theyd be singing a whole different tune...

 

[biggestmuff]

Involuntary manslaughter. He'll go to prison for 4 to 10 years.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

I'm sure you would'nt be making that statement if it was one of your family members or friends on the other side of that bullet

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

I'm sure you would'nt be making that statement if it was one of your family members or friends on the other side of that bullet

Actually I'm sure I would. Level heads prevail.

 

[tranceport]

Now it's a racial? Please no. It should be noted the officer resigned.


He is not a regular citizen and should NOT be treated like one. He should be held to a higher standard.

I saw a longer video on liveleak. Doesn't really seem to be any heat of battle but I would have to look up the definition of it. The only "heat of battle" would be restraining the suspect.

Preslove, murder 1 or murder 2? You think he set out that night to shoot and kill someone? Think he decided he would kill this guy before they even started to detain him?



edit. changed person to citizen. he is human 🙂

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: tranceport
How about some other cell phone videos? Transit station security cameras? Officer statements? Witness statements?

You have to realize that you cannot understand what is going on from a single short video?

I'm not trying to say there should be nothing done here... I'm only saying that before we stick a needle in this officers arm, lets be sure of what was intended and what happened. We only have a video and a final result.

We cannot go from incident to punishment. That is one thing that is for sure, not the right thing.

uh. yeah.
i grant you full creativity to fabricate every plausible aspect of the situation that would absolve the officer. go ahead and tell me what would prove him not guilty?

hmm.. lets see... 5 high-def cameras with boom mics for sound. oscar grant conjurs 2 knives onto his hand out of thin air, makes a verbal threat, gains superhuman strength, and someone had swapped cop's taser and gun before he suited up for the day?

he was on the fucking ground, with a cop on top of him and other cops nearby, and received a fucking bullet in the back.

but it was probably a mistake. so its okay.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: tranceport
Now it's a racial? Please no. It should be noted the officer resigned.


He is not a regular citizen and should NOT be treated like one. He should be held to a higher standard.

I saw a longer video on liveleak. Doesn't really seem to be any heat of battle but I would have to look up the definition of it. The only "heat of battle" would be restraining the suspect.

Preslove, murder 1 or murder 2? You think he set out that night to shoot and kill someone? Think he decided he would kill this guy before they even started to detain him?



edit. changed person to citizen. he is human 🙂

Murder 2, is the correct charge.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

I'm sure you would'nt be making that statement if it was one of your family members or friends on the other side of that bullet

Actually I'm sure I would. Level heads prevail.

gee mom, I'm sorry you were shot in the head. oh well, accidents happen :roll:

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

Do you have trouble recognizing the difference between a willfull act and an accident?

Not at all. That video and all the others show it was an accident.

I agree. It does look like an accident. Would be hard to make any judgements from the video. Would love to read this officers and the other officers reports.

He willfully pulled out some object (ended up being a weapon). I do not think he willfully discharged it.

I really want some more evidence before a decision is made either way.

Police receive training. There are strict protocols when a weapon can be drawn. Cops have to write a novel of a report if they have to even unlatch their sidearm, let alone draw it.

There was no reason to draw. There was no reason to point the weapon at the suspect. There was no reason to have a finger over the trigger. There was no reason it should have accidentally gone off.

None whatsoever.

Don't get me wrong, I know police work is hard to do. However, there is absolutely no excuse for an officer's sidearm being used incorrectly. He needs to have the book thrown at him.

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tranceport
Now it's a racial? Please no. It should be noted the officer resigned.


He is not a regular citizen and should NOT be treated like one. He should be held to a higher standard.

I saw a longer video on liveleak. Doesn't really seem to be any heat of battle but I would have to look up the definition of it. The only "heat of battle" would be restraining the suspect.

Preslove, murder 1 or murder 2? You think he set out that night to shoot and kill someone? Think he decided he would kill this guy before they even started to detain him?



edit. changed person to citizen. he is human 🙂

Murder 2, is the correct charge.

With no heat of battle, I agree.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: tranceport
Now it's a racial? Please no. It should be noted the officer resigned.


He is not a regular citizen and should NOT be treated like one. He should be held to a higher standard.

I saw a longer video on liveleak. Doesn't really seem to be any heat of battle but I would have to look up the definition of it. The only "heat of battle" would be restraining the suspect.

Preslove, murder 1 or murder 2? You think he set out that night to shoot and kill someone? Think he decided he would kill this guy before they even started to detain him?



edit. changed person to citizen. he is human 🙂

You describe Murder 1. No, I'm not saying that he committed premeditated murder.

He did, obviously, commit 2nd degree murder.

Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

Heat of Passion doesn't count because the guy was lying face down, with his hands held behind his back by several police officers. Negligence is completely implausible because the cop pulled the gun from his holster, aimed and fired. Tasers weigh much lighter than pistols, are not kept in the gun holster, and look much different when aimed. You really have to be a gullible fool, or just an idiot who always sides with authority figures (see spidey) to believe that he was negligent, rather than intentioned.

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: tranceport
Preslove, murder 1 or murder 2? You think he set out that night to shoot and kill someone? Think he decided he would kill this guy before they even started to detain him?

And that would change the fact that Grant got fatally shot how??

If you and I were best buds, and we went hunting, and I had absolutely no intention of hurting you, but accidentally discharged a shotgun straight into your face... what should happen to me?

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: tranceport
Now it's a racial? Please no. It should be noted the officer resigned.


He is not a regular citizen and should NOT be treated like one. He should be held to a higher standard.

I saw a longer video on liveleak. Doesn't really seem to be any heat of battle but I would have to look up the definition of it. The only "heat of battle" would be restraining the suspect.

Preslove, murder 1 or murder 2? You think he set out that night to shoot and kill someone? Think he decided he would kill this guy before they even started to detain him?



edit. changed person to citizen. he is human 🙂

You describe Murder 1. No, I'm not saying that he committed premeditated murder.

He did, obviously, commit 2nd degree murder.

Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

Heat of Passion doesn't count because the guy was lying face down, with his hands held behind his back by several police officers. Negligence is completely implausible because the cop pulled the gun from his holster, aimed and fired. Tasers weigh much lighter than pistols, are not kept in the gun holster, and look much different when aimed. You really have to be a gullible fool, or just an idiot who always sides with authority figures (see spidey) to believe that he was negligent, rather than intentioned.

Heat of passion doesn't apply at all. For heat of passion to apply you need to show that other people would have acted the same way. What you're describing as heat of passion is really self defense/defense of others which also doesn't apply. Because he was handcuffed with 2 officers knees in his back.

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: tranceport
How about some other cell phone videos? Transit station security cameras? Officer statements? Witness statements?

You have to realize that you cannot understand what is going on from a single short video?

I'm not trying to say there should be nothing done here... I'm only saying that before we stick a needle in this officers arm, lets be sure of what was intended and what happened. We only have a video and a final result.

We cannot go from incident to punishment. That is one thing that is for sure, not the right thing.

uh. yeah.
i grant you full creativity to fabricate every plausible aspect of the situation that would absolve the officer. go ahead and tell me what would prove him not guilty?

hmm.. lets see... 5 high-def cameras with boom mics for sound. oscar grant conjurs 2 knives onto his hand out of thin air, makes a verbal threat, gains superhuman strength, and someone had swapped cop's taser and gun before he suited up for the day?

he was on the fucking ground, with a cop on top of him and other cops nearby, and received a fucking bullet in the back.

but it was probably a mistake. so its okay.

I'm not trying to fabricate anything. You are. You fabricating the idea that there was nothing else going on except what you can see in this particular video. You are also assuming the officers intent and mindset with out ever talking to him or reading any reports.

The video is strong. But additional evidence is required. If I were a juror I would not convict a murder 2 charge or a manslaughter charge based on this video alone. I would request more evidence not dismiss.

To put to rest some of the other arguments... I would be easily swayed with some additional incriminating evidence. Such as another officer saying he could see the hatred in the shooters eye maybe. Even the officer with his back to us saying something incriminating against the shooter would suffice.

 

[datalink7]

It appears to me to be an accidental discharge. Why was he pulling out his pistol I don't know. I say Manslaughter with maximum penalty. But that is only a review of the video. I don't have all the facts.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: tranceport
How about some other cell phone videos? Transit station security cameras? Officer statements? Witness statements?

You have to realize that you cannot understand what is going on from a single short video?

I'm not trying to say there should be nothing done here... I'm only saying that before we stick a needle in this officers arm, lets be sure of what was intended and what happened. We only have a video and a final result.

We cannot go from incident to punishment. That is one thing that is for sure, not the right thing.

uh. yeah.
i grant you full creativity to fabricate every plausible aspect of the situation that would absolve the officer. go ahead and tell me what would prove him not guilty?

hmm.. lets see... 5 high-def cameras with boom mics for sound. oscar grant conjurs 2 knives onto his hand out of thin air, makes a verbal threat, gains superhuman strength, and someone had swapped cop's taser and gun before he suited up for the day?

he was on the fucking ground, with a cop on top of him and other cops nearby, and received a fucking bullet in the back.

but it was probably a mistake. so its okay.

I'm not trying to fabricate anything. You are. You fabricating the idea that there was nothing else going on except what you can see in this particular video. You are also assuming the officers intent and mindset with out ever talking to him or reading any reports.

The video is strong. But additional evidence is required. If I were a juror I would not convict a murder 2 charge or a manslaughter charge based on this video alone. I would request more evidence not dismiss.

To put to rest some of the other arguments... I would be easily swayed with some additional incriminating evidence. Such as another officer saying he could see the hatred in the shooters eye maybe. Even the officer with his back to us saying something incriminating against the shooter would suffice.

LOL, you won't send some one to jail based on their actions but you would if a police officer claims to see "anger" in their eyes. Did the police at least give you knee-pads?

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: tranceport
Preslove, murder 1 or murder 2? You think he set out that night to shoot and kill someone? Think he decided he would kill this guy before they even started to detain him?

And that would change the fact that Grant got fatally shot how??

If you and I were best buds, and we went hunting, and I had absolutely no intention of hurting you, but accidentally discharged a shotgun straight into your face... what should happen to me?

Umm.. Dick Chaney?

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: tranceport
How about some other cell phone videos? Transit station security cameras? Officer statements? Witness statements?

You have to realize that you cannot understand what is going on from a single short video?

I'm not trying to say there should be nothing done here... I'm only saying that before we stick a needle in this officers arm, lets be sure of what was intended and what happened. We only have a video and a final result.

We cannot go from incident to punishment. That is one thing that is for sure, not the right thing.

uh. yeah.
i grant you full creativity to fabricate every plausible aspect of the situation that would absolve the officer. go ahead and tell me what would prove him not guilty?

hmm.. lets see... 5 high-def cameras with boom mics for sound. oscar grant conjurs 2 knives onto his hand out of thin air, makes a verbal threat, gains superhuman strength, and someone had swapped cop's taser and gun before he suited up for the day?

he was on the fucking ground, with a cop on top of him and other cops nearby, and received a fucking bullet in the back.

but it was probably a mistake. so its okay.

I'm not trying to fabricate anything. You are. You fabricating the idea that there was nothing else going on except what you can see in this particular video. You are also assuming the officers intent and mindset with out ever talking to him or reading any reports.

The video is strong. But additional evidence is required. If I were a juror I would not convict a murder 2 charge or a manslaughter charge based on this video alone. I would request more evidence not dismiss.

To put to rest some of the other arguments... I would be easily swayed with some additional incriminating evidence. Such as another officer saying he could see the hatred in the shooters eye maybe. Even the officer with his back to us saying something incriminating against the shooter would suffice.

LOL, you won't send some one to jail based on their actions but you would if a police officer claims to see "anger" in their eyes. Did police at least give you knee-pads?

Umm that would clarify intent. Did he intend to kill him, maybe so if he was angry. Did he accidentally kill him, maybe so if he was looking at his pistol and fumbling with it.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: tranceport
How about some other cell phone videos? Transit station security cameras? Officer statements? Witness statements?

You have to realize that you cannot understand what is going on from a single short video?

I'm not trying to say there should be nothing done here... I'm only saying that before we stick a needle in this officers arm, lets be sure of what was intended and what happened. We only have a video and a final result.

We cannot go from incident to punishment. That is one thing that is for sure, not the right thing.

uh. yeah.
i grant you full creativity to fabricate every plausible aspect of the situation that would absolve the officer. go ahead and tell me what would prove him not guilty?

hmm.. lets see... 5 high-def cameras with boom mics for sound. oscar grant conjurs 2 knives onto his hand out of thin air, makes a verbal threat, gains superhuman strength, and someone had swapped cop's taser and gun before he suited up for the day?

he was on the fucking ground, with a cop on top of him and other cops nearby, and received a fucking bullet in the back.

but it was probably a mistake. so its okay.

I'm not trying to fabricate anything. You are. You fabricating the idea that there was nothing else going on except what you can see in this particular video. You are also assuming the officers intent and mindset with out ever talking to him or reading any reports.

The video is strong. But additional evidence is required. If I were a juror I would not convict a murder 2 charge or a manslaughter charge based on this video alone. I would request more evidence not dismiss.

To put to rest some of the other arguments... I would be easily swayed with some additional incriminating evidence. Such as another officer saying he could see the hatred in the shooters eye maybe. Even the officer with his back to us saying something incriminating against the shooter would suffice.

LOL, you won't send some one to jail based on their actions but you would if a police officer claims to see "anger" in their eyes. Did police at least give you knee-pads?

Umm that would clarify intent. Did he intend to kill him, maybe so if he was angry. Did he accidentally kill him, maybe so if he was looking at his pistol and fumbling with it.

Right, I didn't know that police where trained in the fine art of eye reading and that you would be gullible enough to trust their interpenetration of it.