New video from BART shooting

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

Do you have trouble recognizing the difference between a willfull act and an accident?

Not at all. That video and all the others show it was an accident.

So you don't see the outrage over a man being shot in the back while he was helpless, accidentally or no?

So they should chalk it up to "live and let live?"

You need to be smacked around.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

You are pathetic.

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

You need to be forcibly sterilized.

Does that really need to be said? Not agreeing with someone is one thing. Voting to stop them from ever having children is another.

I guess you a perfect in every way?

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

Do you have trouble recognizing the difference between a willfull act and an accident?

Not at all. That video and all the others show it was an accident.

How is this an accident? The cop willfully shot somebody who was obviously not posing a threat. This is *exactly* why they claim they need tasers, yet where was it? "I didn't mean to" is no defense here.

Florida has a 10/20/life policy for any normal citizen doing the same thing, as does other states. Cops should be held to the same standard, if not a higher standard, when they do something like this. It's the only way to prevent situations where cops go counter to their training.

The problem is, since cops protect cops, we get thugs in the police force. They should be far more diligent in weeding out the thugs, mitigating these types of situations.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.



You need to be forcibly sterilized

Does that really need to be said? Not agreeing with someone is one thing. Voting to stop them from ever having children is another.

I guess you a perfect in every way?

Well, spidey07 is somebody who makes a lot of apologetic, and frankly, quite ignorant, statement such as this. When held to a debate he waffles. The executive compensation thread was the same thing. Although what jschmuck said was pretty ridiculous

 

[Red Squirrel]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

Do you have trouble recognizing the difference between a willfull act and an accident?

Not at all. That video and all the others show it was an accident.

Accident or not, do you really think anyone other than a cop could get away with this? If the exact scenario had happened with three lawful ccw permit holders holding down a man (presumably for a good reason), they would be in so much trouble.

Exactly and that's what makes this even more of an outrage. Chances are nothing will happen of it. He'll move on and wont get any kind of penalties other then having to cleanup frozen eggs from his house.


Also the video shows it's not an accident. it's unclear, but the fact that he reached for his gun, AND pulled on the trigger, AND aimed at his back, is hard to call an accident.

They had the situation under control, the victim and other suspects were not fighting. He had no reason to pull out ANYTHING. Not even his stick, taser.

I call gank.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

You need to be forcibly sterilized.

Does that really need to be said? Not agreeing with someone is one thing. Voting to stop them from ever having children is another.

I guess you a perfect in every way?

Just for you, I changed it.

Just for you.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: tranceport

Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.



You need to be forcibly sterilized

Does that really need to be said? Not agreeing with someone is one thing. Voting to stop them from ever having children is another.

I guess you a perfect in every way?

Well, spidey07 is somebody who makes a lot of apologetic, and frankly, quite ignorant, statement such as this. When held to a debate he waffles. The executive compensation thread was the same thing. Although what jschmuck said was pretty ridiculous

Yeah, I edited it out and I apologize.

I'm having a rotten day :frown:

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

Do you have trouble recognizing the difference between a willfull act and an accident?

Not at all. That video and all the others show it was an accident.

How is this an accident? The cop willfully shot somebody who was obviously not posing a threat. This is *exactly* why they claim they need tasers, yet where was it? "I didn't mean to" is no defense here.

Florida has a 10/20/life policy for any normal citizen doing the same thing, as does other states. Cops should be held to the same standard, if not a higher standard, when they do something like this. It's the only way to prevent situations where cops go counter to their training.

The problem is, since cops protect cops, we get thugs in the police force. They should be far more diligent in weeding out the thugs, mitigating these types of situations.

We have only seen a video.

From this are well concluding that the officer pulled his firearm and squeezed the trigger with full knowledge that he was about to destroy his target? Is there no chance he meant only to pull out the firearm or taser? We are sure? If 12 of us are sure then he will be convicted of voluntary manslaughter.

Now if you are not entirely sure, You require more evidence.

I am not sure one way or the other. I'd like more evidence.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

Do you have trouble recognizing the difference between a willfull act and an accident?

Not at all. That video and all the others show it was an accident.

How is this an accident? The cop willfully shot somebody who was obviously not posing a threat. This is *exactly* why they claim they need tasers, yet where was it? "I didn't mean to" is no defense here.

Florida has a 10/20/life policy for any normal citizen doing the same thing, as does other states. Cops should be held to the same standard, if not a higher standard, when they do something like this. It's the only way to prevent situations where cops go counter to their training.

The problem is, since cops protect cops, we get thugs in the police force. They should be far more diligent in weeding out the thugs, mitigating these types of situations.

We have only seen a video.

From this are well concluding that the officer pulled his firearm and squeezed the trigger with full knowledge that he was about to destroy his target? Is there no chance he meant only to pull out the firearm or taser? We are sure? If 12 of us are sure then he will be convicted of voluntary manslaughter.

Now if you are not entirely sure, You require more evidence.

I am not sure one way or the other. I'd like more evidence.

I've held both a pistol and a taser, different weights, different shapes. I guess one could claim the "heat of the battle". The problem with that is that cops are supposed to be more professional than that. That isn't a defense for any private citizen, nor should it be for a cop.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Is the guy dead or injured?

That's your evidence.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
That isn't a defense for any private citizen, nor should it be for a cop.

:thumbsup:

As far as I am concerned, that is the only real issue at play in this case.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Also the video shows it's not an accident. it's unclear, but the fact that he reached for his gun, AND pulled on the trigger, AND aimed at his back, is hard to call an accident.

They had the situation under control, the victim and other suspects were not fighting. He had no reason to pull out ANYTHING. Not even his stick, taser.

I call gank.

It is VERY clear that the officer did not intend or want the death of the criminal. It's an accident, it's tragic and people get all emotional over it but it's still an accident and most likely that is how any jury would rule.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

Do you have trouble recognizing the difference between a willfull act and an accident?

Not at all. That video and all the others show it was an accident.

How is this an accident? The cop willfully shot somebody who was obviously not posing a threat. This is *exactly* why they claim they need tasers, yet where was it? "I didn't mean to" is no defense here.

Florida has a 10/20/life policy for any normal citizen doing the same thing, as does other states. Cops should be held to the same standard, if not a higher standard, when they do something like this. It's the only way to prevent situations where cops go counter to their training.

The problem is, since cops protect cops, we get thugs in the police force. They should be far more diligent in weeding out the thugs, mitigating these types of situations.

We have only seen a video.

From this are well concluding that the officer pulled his firearm and squeezed the trigger with full knowledge that he was about to destroy his target? Is there no chance he meant only to pull out the firearm or taser? We are sure? If 12 of us are sure then he will be convicted of voluntary manslaughter.

Now if you are not entirely sure, You require more evidence.

I am not sure one way or the other. I'd like more evidence.

I've held both a pistol and a taser, different weights, different shapes. I guess one could claim the "heat of the battle". The problem with that is that cops are supposed to be more professional than that. That isn't a defense for any private citizen, nor should it be for a cop.

Plus, there was no "heat of battle." The guy was restrained on the ground with his hands behind his back. That cop is a murderer, plain and simple.

Anyone who tries to defend that cop has no moral clarity and has to be a thoroughly disgusting human being.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Also the video shows it's not an accident. it's unclear, but the fact that he reached for his gun, AND pulled on the trigger, AND aimed at his back, is hard to call an accident.

They had the situation under control, the victim and other suspects were not fighting. He had no reason to pull out ANYTHING. Not even his stick, taser.

I call gank.

It is VERY clear that the officer did not intend or want the death of the criminal. It's an accident, it's tragic and people get all emotional over it but it's still an accident and most likely that is how any jury would rule.

That guy was not a criminal, you disgusting little man.

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: tranceport

We have only seen a video.

From this are well concluding that the officer pulled his firearm and squeezed the trigger with full knowledge that he was about to destroy his target? Is there no chance he meant only to pull out the firearm or taser? We are sure?

What difference does it make?


Cop is a sadistic killer, intentionally killed a helpless man by shooting him in the back, may well do it again given the same chance.

Cop is horribly incompetent and incapable of determining the difference between a taser and a gun, also incapable of realizing that a helpless man with back turned doesn't need to be shot with a taser, may well make similar or worse mistakes in the future resulting in more innocent men dying.

Either way the cop should be given a lethal injection or put away for life.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: spidey07
Accidents happen. It's sad but I really don't see the outrage.

Do you have trouble recognizing the difference between a willfull act and an accident?

Not at all. That video and all the others show it was an accident.

How is this an accident? The cop willfully shot somebody who was obviously not posing a threat. This is *exactly* why they claim they need tasers, yet where was it? "I didn't mean to" is no defense here.

Florida has a 10/20/life policy for any normal citizen doing the same thing, as does other states. Cops should be held to the same standard, if not a higher standard, when they do something like this. It's the only way to prevent situations where cops go counter to their training.

The problem is, since cops protect cops, we get thugs in the police force. They should be far more diligent in weeding out the thugs, mitigating these types of situations.

We have only seen a video.

From this are well concluding that the officer pulled his firearm and squeezed the trigger with full knowledge that he was about to destroy his target? Is there no chance he meant only to pull out the firearm or taser? We are sure? If 12 of us are sure then he will be convicted of voluntary manslaughter.

Now if you are not entirely sure, You require more evidence.

I am not sure one way or the other. I'd like more evidence.

We only have a video? WTF else do you want a written confusion blessed by the Pope.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Also the video shows it's not an accident. it's unclear, but the fact that he reached for his gun, AND pulled on the trigger, AND aimed at his back, is hard to call an accident.

They had the situation under control, the victim and other suspects were not fighting. He had no reason to pull out ANYTHING. Not even his stick, taser.

I call gank.

It is VERY clear that the officer did not intend or want the death of the criminal. It's an accident, it's tragic and people get all emotional over it but it's still an accident and most likely that is how any jury would rule.

They probably will rule it that way, but that's the law, and the law tends to be crooked. Since he's a cop he'll be given lot of slack. That's if it even makes it to court.

But if a regular citizen had done this, he'd be a murderer. Even if it WAS a clear accident, he'd get charged for unsafe use of weapon or whatever. They'd find something.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: smack Down
We only have a video? WTF else do you want a written confusion blessed by the Pope.

Hi. I could be on the jury. No way was that what the prosecution is charging. And I am not going to budge.

Beauty of the justice system. Justice will be served for the accused.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smack Down
We only have a video? WTF else do you want a written confusion blessed by the Pope.

Hi. I could be on the jury. No way was that what the prosecution is charging. And I am not going to budge.

Beauty of the justice system. Justice will be served for the accused.

A pity that the victim was simply murdered in cold blood, instead of processed by your "beautiful" justice system.

 

[Red Squirrel]

For those curious, the cop resigned. Not sure if it was in goodwill or from fear of being fired, but it's probably for the good. Now hopefully they can treat this like a normal citizen murder now that he's not a cop.

http://www.bart.gov/news/artic...2009/news20090107.aspx

*bored and did research*

 

[tranceport]

It's like law and order in here. We are at sentencing in under an hour.

From the video we have concluded the following:

1. The officer has a personality issue, he enjoys being cruel and has now escalated it to killing.
2. A lethal injection is needed to stop him.
3. The video is the only evidence we need to pass judgment. Statements, video from other view points, anything else is not needed.
4. Anyone who chooses to defend this officer is a disgusting human being.
5. The officers true intentions mean nothing only the end result.
6. Had the man only been injured things would have been different.
7. Detaining a suspect with 2 other officers does not constitute heat of battle and no mistakes are possible.

I hope this cop can get a fair trial... You guys have me worried.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smack Down
We only have a video? WTF else do you want a written confusion blessed by the Pope.

Hi. I could be on the jury. No way was that what the prosecution is charging. And I am not going to budge.

Beauty of the justice system. Justice will be served for the accused.

I have no doubt that he will get off. Between the cop defending his ever action, judge and DA sand bagging the case, and cop apologists there is zero chance of any police officer being held accountable for their actions.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: tranceport
It's like law and order in here. We are at sentencing in under an hour.

From the video we have concluded the following:

1. The officer has a personality issue, he enjoys being cruel and has now escalated it to killing.
2. A lethal injection is needed to stop him.
3. The video is the only evidence we need to pass judgment. Statements, video from other view points, anything else is not needed.
4. Anyone who chooses to defend this officer is a disgusting human being.
5. The officers true intentions mean nothing only the end result.
6. Had the man only been injured things would have been different.
7. Detaining a suspect with 2 other officers does not constitute heat of battle and no mistakes are possible.

I hope this cop can get a fair trial... You guys have me worried.

Don't worry the DA will make sure he doesn't even get a trail. Heck he was on vacation for the last week after murdering a person.

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: tranceport
It's like law and order in here. We are at sentencing in under an hour.

From the video we have concluded the following:

1. The officer has a personality issue, he enjoys being cruel and has now escalated it to killing.
2. A lethal injection is needed to stop him.
3. The video is the only evidence we need to pass judgment. Statements, video from other view points, anything else is not needed.
4. Anyone who chooses to defend this officer is a disgusting human being.
5. The officers true intentions mean nothing only the end result.
6. Had the man only been injured things would have been different.
7. Detaining a suspect with 2 other officers does not constitute heat of battle and no mistakes are possible.

I hope this cop can get a fair trial... You guys have me worried.

lolololol! we need espn instant replay from 5 different angles with enhance! enhance! enhance!

it was a "mistake"! grant was mistakenly on the ground face down. the cop was mistakenly already on top of him, with his knees mistakenly on grants back. then he mistakenly grabbed a weapon, despite already being on top, mistook the gun for the
taser, and accidentally grabbed the trigger. OOPS! he made a booby!