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New TV Plasma or Backlit LCD?
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JackBurton
Lifer
Yeah, you're right. Let's not squabble about facts. Let's move along. 🙄 It's not about "egos," it's about preventing the spread of misinformation, which cheez has proven he has an endless supply of.
That being said, I agree. No need to derail this thread any further.
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well, my brother has the 65 panny, and I own two 60' 9th gen kuros... you are not as well versed as you think you are.
The panny is good... and is the display I would buy right now if I were in the market. but it is all about the black levels. You want depth in your picture you need deep blacks... and proper grey scale and shadow detail. I haven't seen anything that rivals the kuros to date. I spent some time watching the new sharp elites, I know I know, instore, but the off axis viewing is still something I cannot get past.
JackBurton
Lifer
I know. It's a really tough inherent flaw to look past, especially when you are coming from a plasma.
this is true to a point. a properly calibrated display will provide a good, accurate picture. saying you dislike a properly calibrated display kind of means you prefer seeing things not as they are... you like false colors, blue snow for example, or florescent green grass... if you take that as subjective, I guess to each their own
NutBucket
Lifer
I do agree. My main point is that at some point the differences between displays, all else equal, is down to preference.
As with anything else, the better displays become the harder it is to objectively say one looks significantly better than another. That's the whole idea right, buying the one that looks best to you.
RearAdmiral
Platinum Member
Wow this thread got entertaining. I assure you my 500m looks better(and verifiably so) than any other tv I have seen. The latest Kuro lines have essentially zero issues, unlike the lol worthy panasonic triple black level issue that existed when I was shopping for a tv.
After looking at nearly any LCD tv now after having been living with my tv for a couple years now, it is laughable at how bad LCD tvs still are. I used to have an LCD tv before I could afford better and really didn't know what I was missing. I nearly vomit when I look at that tv now.
Also it isn't all about what "you" like. Some need to learn what a proper picture is supposed to look like, they are often ignorant of it. People I know generally had no idea and begin to appreciate a calibrated picture, they usually just gravitated towards bright washed out crap for picture setups.
As Viper says, the best easily available tv now is the VT line.
After looking at nearly any LCD tv now after having been living with my tv for a couple years now, it is laughable at how bad LCD tvs still are. I used to have an LCD tv before I could afford better and really didn't know what I was missing. I nearly vomit when I look at that tv now.
Also it isn't all about what "you" like. Some need to learn what a proper picture is supposed to look like, they are often ignorant of it. People I know generally had no idea and begin to appreciate a calibrated picture, they usually just gravitated towards bright washed out crap for picture setups.
As Viper says, the best easily available tv now is the VT line.
I went through several plasmas, including two VT50 and a GT30, when I needed a new TV this spring. I wanted to settle on one because the contrast was wonderful, but I ended up returning them all and getting an LCD. The main issue I had was "plasma buzz," which is going to be a problem for you with the most plasmas, definitely including the VT50, if you have decent high frequency hearing.
Not only is it a sound I can hear from rooms away when the TV is muted and showing a bright scene, but the amplitude of the buzz seemed to be dependent on total current draw for the display, which varies with average screen brightness. When the camera pans from the dark of space to the brightness of Tatooine, even with John Williams turned up pretty high on my external speakers, the noise from the display itself would go from silent to quite distracting. If you can't hear these frequencies, this warning doesn't apply. Just be sure that you buy from a store with a good return policy in case you find your plasma to be as uncomfortable as a dental drill.
Not only is it a sound I can hear from rooms away when the TV is muted and showing a bright scene, but the amplitude of the buzz seemed to be dependent on total current draw for the display, which varies with average screen brightness. When the camera pans from the dark of space to the brightness of Tatooine, even with John Williams turned up pretty high on my external speakers, the noise from the display itself would go from silent to quite distracting. If you can't hear these frequencies, this warning doesn't apply. Just be sure that you buy from a store with a good return policy in case you find your plasma to be as uncomfortable as a dental drill.
ignorance is bliss with LCD owners.....
the only reason to get an LCD over plasma, IMHO, would be if you are sensitive to phosphorus trails, or you simply want an 80"+ flat panel
NutBucket
Lifer
This is true. My wife doesn't mind the IQ of our DLP but she thinks it should "pop" more. When I tell her the whole point is to get "lifelike" IQ she disagrees and says its TV and it should be a bit oversaturated. Oh well, at least she didn't disagree about which TV to buy in the first place; she let me buy what I thought was best. Next time I'm guessing we'll either end up with a plasma or projector...and pay for a proper calibration.
RearAdmiral
Platinum Member
I'm pretty anal about my video now, seriously I can't stand looking at that tv. The blacks are SO bad it is distracting. Good thing I gave it to my parents heh
RearAdmiral
Platinum Member
I want a nice shiny projector so bad. The advances in projectors the past couple of years have been pretty exciting, they are getting REALLY legit. The panny 8000 looks great!
At least you can buy what is right. It doesn't even have to be lifelike, the purist in me wants what the director intended, whether or not the picture is "pleasing" to the eye. This is why I never flashlight modded doom 3 😉
BRB turning the bass on my EQ to +10, ahh it sounds soooooooo good now!
heh one of my moments was picking up a Pioneer 6010 with a stuck pixel for cheaps and selling it to one of my buddy's. He and all his roommates/visitors are always awestruck by how good it is, and that is only 8g tech.
Squisher
Lifer
As someone who has watched the price of this set daily for the last couple months, in the last week we saw all the mail order discounters drop their prices down to where the deep discounters were for the last month. Retail was $3699 on this set with a few at $3200, now everyone is bunched up at $2850. I hope someone with some decent reseller ratings breaks out again in a few weeks maybe for another $100-200 off. I'll be jumping then.
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olds
Elite Member
I actually found it for about $1800 but the resellerrating were horrible.
Squisher
Lifer
What was the lowest price with the best resellerating? I've been using google.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=TC-P65VT50&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1632&bih=860&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=8454935931462923938&sa=X&ei=svluUJSED6nfyAHKtICoBQ&ved=0CGMQgggwAA#scoring=tp
techpun
Member
Is the whole life like vs film like settings these newer tv's have the new thing. I have several friends who have newer lcd's that had this like weird looking setting that makes me kinda nauseous everything is super bright and glossy is that the standard now a days. I am not to technical on tvs but this post caught my eye. I first noticed this with the 120hz. The TV i see it the most in is sammy's led lcd tv's. 8000-9000 series
i think the VT50 has better blacks and more controls to tune the tv?
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