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Even funnier is, if you visit the dedicated Pioneer 9G thread at avsforum, most people will describe the picture on the Kuro as almost 3D.
You say "almost 3D" for the Kuro. The Panasonic "is" 3D.
So the fact you are saying avs members are describing the picture as "flat" is a complete contradiction.
I didn't say "them". I said "I said" after critiquing the pictures they have taken and posted them up on the forum. Compare to mine the Pioneer (Kuro and the older line up) do have flatter looking pictures. They lack contrast. Trust me. Does the picture quality end there? Of course not. There's more to it.
And compared to a 2004 Panasonic? You have to be joking. A 7G Pioneer (non-Kuro) will slap around a 2004 Panasonic. It's not even close.
I'm not joking. The Pioneer non-Kuro ones that released a few years after my Panasonic model all got their butt spanked somewhat hard by my TV in the picture contest festival.. I beat all of them. The 7 and 8G Pioneer guys admitted they got defeated by my TV and
handed me the hats. I remember those times... was so much fun. Kuro isn't a fair comparison to my TV as there is a big gap in black level performance and so much newer... but like I said earlier, black level is only tiny part of the equation.
And you are judging picture quality on a display from images on the internet? Here's a little clue for you, it's not the images that are bad, it's your display that's the problem.
The images are taken by the professionals, which is
me 🙂D) and the other folks. I am the camera freak. And the buddies I used to compete with have good cameras and are trained. My display isn't the problem. It's just that I am a little weird, but in "artistic" way.
😉 Meaning a videophile.
As for my experience with a 7G Panasonic plasma, I have seen one in person.
Probably one off the shelf fed by Air or cable TV stations via RCA / Composite or Coaxial.... and I take it, it was a consumer version?
I've also seen an ISF calibrated 9G Pioneer Elite in person, and there is absolutely no comparison. If you think they are even close, you are completely delusional.
Read above. You are comparing against an uncalibrated, consumer ver. Panasonic with crappy source. Which is why it's unfair comparison. Those 7- 9G Pioneers do scale better in SD than the Panasonics due to the electronics the Pioneer added. It's not delusional. it's called biased comparison.
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I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but your standards are VERY low if you are using a 2004 Panasonic to gauge picture quality of any TV produced past 2006. It wasn't even a high end TV in 2004 (Fujitsu was the big boy on the block back then when it came to plasmas). Panasonic was just mid tier back then.
Fujitsu has considerably better electronics for post image processing and scaling. It is made to excel in viewing crappy SD contents on a large screen. It also features better motion handling too. The glass and the rest of the screen is no better than the Panasonic 7G. Panasonic's used to spank the 7G Pioneer in blacks and still beat 8G Pioneer in contrast... Those 8G Pioneer pictures look so *processed*.
So it's not a matter of "properly setting it up," your TV is technically limited and no amount of calibration will change that. My advice to you is, it's way past time to upgrade.
That's incorrect. Setting up the TV part is very important. Going from VGA to DVI was a night and day difference. Whites have improved (cleaner whiter whites than going through analog (VGA). Their black drive system on the TV is stellar. These TV's also have pixels lit brighter which made pictures have better contrast and punchness. This is where Pioneer TV's lack. Their pixels don't lit as bright so the images look "flatter", like looking at the pictures printed on magazine or poster. You can feel 2D whereas the Panasonics really look 3D, i.e. looking-out-the-window effect.
Your TV was surpassed back in 2004.
Like I said, my 2004 tech used to spank all Pioneer TVs (including Pro series) before Kuro lines. AND, mine still beats the Kuro in the contrast... They still look a little flat... still descent looking picture though.
