New TSA rules starting Jan 2008

[akshatp]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
I hate them.
I hate them all.

In Portland they let me take on my nice little Colibri lighter. On my trip back the guys at the DC (Dulles) security point said I could NOT bring it on. Piss-poor organization FTL!
My mom had already dropped me off and driven away.
I stepped out of line and tossed it in the garbage. I know darn well if I had let them "confiscate" it then some sorry-ass TSA agent would have got themselves a nice new lighter for Christmas.
I'd rather it be garbage than belong to garbage.

Colibri lighters are nice, and IIRC the ban on carrying lighters has ben lifted. They were most probably trying to "confiscate" the lighter to add to their personal collection. Assholes.

Im glad you threw it in the garbage instead of giving it to them. Reminds me of a co worker who mistakenly had some expensive cologne in his carry on. Sprayed-out the entire thing right in the TSA area before chucking it in the bin. LOL he said it took him a good 7 minutes and the place had a hardcore cologne smell as he left.

 

[Rubycon]

IIRC butane lighters that produce a blue flame ("torch" type) are still banned.

 

[Bootprint]

Why only Lithium? what if you bring on old style NiCd ?

 

[marvdmartian]

Meh. Totally unenforceable, imho. These are the same TSA idiots that can't find knives & dummy bombs in luggage, now they're going to be asked to determine whether you have too many batteries or not? I can't imagine it would be too difficult for anyone to totally baffle them with bullshit, and carry on whatever amount you happen to have, just by throwing around enough numbers, and maybe distracting them with something truly dangerous, like a pair of nail clippers.

 

[IronWing]

Homeland Security could use a little lithium.

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

EDIT: In this day and age I would not be surprised to see development of a "battery calming device" - a fireproof container that can be sent down the aisle quickly in case of a malfunctioning device. The device would be put into the container and the container's function engaged where it seals itself completely and activates a quenching agent to bring down the temperature and extinguish a class D fire and neutralize any threat. In a severe case where it does not seem to respond it would be stout enough to contain the threat until the container is jettisoned! :laugh:

They already have fireproof bags for using when charging lipo batteries for RC cars. They have been known to burst into flames.

 

[Viper GTS]

So does mean that a box of CR123's (lithium equivalent 0.42g per battery) is OK?

I had planned to send a box on an international flight with my sister, if they won't let her take them I'll have to figure out another way to get them to her.

Lame. :thumbsdown:

Viper GTS

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Homeland Security could use a little lithium.

Lithium suppositories? That will burn! :Q

Originally posted by: compman25

They already have fireproof bags for using when charging lipo batteries for RC cars. They have been known to burst into flames.

Generally lipo's are safe but if charged/discharged improperly things go bad fast. Thankfully turnkey products have sufficient safeguards. (but then again
these have failed hence the recalls) I believe most safeguards are not designed to deal with defects since the defective cells seemingly combust spontanesously. :Q

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
So does mean that a box of CR123's (lithium equivalent 0.42g per battery) is OK?

I had planned to send a box on an international flight with my sister, if they won't let her take them I'll have to figure out another way to get them to her.

Lame. :thumbsdown:

Viper GTS

Most of the mfr's are saying about 500mg per cell. International flights are much more thorough in examination of carry on stuff. Pack very neatly without
a rat's nest of cables and most likely they won't even ask to see your bag. If you avoid that confrontation you're in good shape.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: ironwing
Homeland Security could use a little lithium.

Lithium suppositories? That will burn! :Q

Lithium, lithium, eat it up, yum.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Lithium, lithium, eat it up, yum.

Copper keeps the mussels down!

And it burns such a pretty green when the big faults hit. :Q

 

[Parasitic]

Absolutely retarded. I hate the TSA. I routinely carry a backup (or two) battery for my Macbook - I hate being plugged in - in my carry-on luggage. I can now just foresee the future when some of those TSA agents will confuse weight lithium-equivalent to battery weight and not let me fly.

 

[Deeko]

wait wait....so you can carry a battery, but not pack it in your checked luggage??? What kind of sense does that make?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: compman25

They already have fireproof bags for using when charging lipo batteries for RC cars. They have been known to burst into flames.

Generally lipo's are safe but if charged/discharged improperly things go bad fast. Thankfully turnkey products have sufficient safeguards. (but then again
these have failed hence the recalls) I believe most safeguards are not designed to deal with defects since the defective cells seemingly combust spontanesously. :Q

I think he's also alluding to the fact that a LOT of low-cost RC toys with LiPo cells have been coming out of China recently that do not have the proper chargers, and will overcharge and catch fire if left unattended. I still say "buy the toys...just don't let 'em charge unattended". But I'm willing to take the slight amount of additional danger in order to gain the MUCH higher performance that LiPo has to offer.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: Deeko
wait wait....so you can carry a battery, but not pack it in your checked luggage??? What kind of sense does that make?

If the cells are in checked bags placed in the cargo holds and catches fire they will be much harder to deal with than in the tube where the people sit.

 

[Boo Boo]

just another way the govt F's the people over. if only bush wasn't born. pretty soon we're just going to be a 4th world nation . with bush bending us over and ramming it up like a proctoligist

 

[coloumb]

Well then... the airlines need to step up to the plate and make it so every seat has a power outlet available

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: compman25

They already have fireproof bags for using when charging lipo batteries for RC cars. They have been known to burst into flames.

Generally lipo's are safe but if charged/discharged improperly things go bad fast. Thankfully turnkey products have sufficient safeguards. (but then again
these have failed hence the recalls) I believe most safeguards are not designed to deal with defects since the defective cells seemingly combust spontanesously. :Q

I think he's also alluding to the fact that a LOT of low-cost RC toys with LiPo cells have been coming out of China recently that do not have the proper chargers, and will overcharge and catch fire if left unattended. I still say "buy the toys...just don't let 'em charge unattended". But I'm willing to take the slight amount of additional danger in order to gain the MUCH higher performance that LiPo has to offer.

Actually I wasn't. I'm talking batteries that cost over $100 and chargers that cost over $100. But you are right, the cheap Chinese toy ones could be a big problem.

 

[sciencewhiz]

This is not a TSA rule but a Department of Transportation (DOT) rule, that the TSA must enforce.

The current cargo fire control systems can not deal with a large lithium fire, which is why large lithium batteries are restricted from checked luggage. Presumably, if a lithium battery caught on fire in the passenger area, someone would notice quickly and it could be dealt with before it got large. The DOT does not want to deal with another Valuejet type incident with a cargo fire.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: akshatp
Fuck the TSA. (See my thread about my stolen laptop)

Yes that is most unfortunate but what to do?

If you say "fuck you" to them someone will probably tase you and even worse you'd end up on youtube. :Q

But what if the Tasers use lithium batteries, too?

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Anubis: There is no point to this, and that's the annoying part.

The sad thing about this is that a smart terrorist could probably still make a pretty powerful bomb out of a single lithium ion battery powered device and a quart ziploc bag filled with the right chemicals. These new security rules aren't going to stop THEM, but they sure as hell going to cause hassles for the 99.9999% of all travelers who AREN'T trying to blow up the plane :|

And that's the problem - acts of terrorism are just so damned easy to do. But hey, we have a TSA department now, we've got to make them look like they're doing something useful, right?


I think this is probably having to do with the recent rash of Li-ion batteries self-igniting. Horray for cutting corners - profitability vs safety........bah, people can have babies, so they're disposable. Money is what really matters.

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: ironwing
Homeland Security could use a little lithium.

Lithium suppositories? That will burn! :Q

It's a new hemorrhoid treatment - it incinerates the troubled blood vessels and cauterizes the wounds, all at once!

 

[narcotic]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
If you don't like these new rules, you:

1) Support terrorists

2) Are un-American

3) Hate freedom

4) All of the above

Ok look, I don't like these rules but I'm definitely non of the above. How does the fact that my freedom of travel is now being punished even more thanks to fanatic Muslims and their fucking terrorists organization mean that I hate my freedom?!
We are getting owned by these little filthy (terrorists) maggots who keep determining the way we live, and the way we travel and more and more aspects of our daily life are being controlled by them each day. You should note the difference between liking these new rules and understanding/accepting them. I understand and accept we need them for our safety, but I don't like them or the people that cause us to have them.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: narcotic

Ok look, I don't like these rules but I'm definitely non of the above. How does the fact that my freedom of travel is now being punished even more thanks to fanatic Muslims and their fucking terrorists organization mean that I hate my freedom?!
We are getting owned by these little filthy (terrorists) maggots who keep determining the way we live, and the way we travel and more and more aspects of our daily life are being controlled by them each day. You should note the difference between liking these new rules and understanding/accepting them. I understand and accept we need them for our safety, but I don't like them or the people that cause us to have them.

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[jlee]

Originally posted by: narcotic

Originally posted by: jpeyton
If you don't like these new rules, you:

1) Support terrorists

2) Are un-American

3) Hate freedom

4) All of the above

Ok look, I don't like these rules but I'm definitely non of the above. How does the fact that my freedom of travel is now being punished even more thanks to fanatic Muslims and their fucking terrorists organization mean that I hate my freedom?!
We are getting owned by these little filthy (terrorists) maggots who keep determining the way we live, and the way we travel and more and more aspects of our daily life are being controlled by them each day. You should note the difference between liking these new rules and understanding/accepting them. I understand and accept we need them for our safety, but I don't like them or the people that cause us to have them.

And how far, exactly, does this 'need for safety' go? I seem to recall bringing a pocketknife (or Leatherman) on flights when I was a kid. The terrorists are indirectly controlling the way we live due to crap like this..but at least we can have water bottles now.

 

[LikeLinus]

Absolutely retarded. I do video production and always have 5 or so spare batteries with me when I travel. We have a DSR-500 and PD-150 for our SD content. We're moving to Panasonic P2 format cameras in 2008, but I'm sure they all use Li-Ion as well.

http://www.bestbatt.com/Sony_N..._Battery_p/bbnp1bf.htm

WTF do they expect us to do with 1-2 batteries on all day shoots outside without a way to charge.

 

[Rubycon]

In the near future there's probably going to be a booming business for makers of TSA certified Lithium power cell transport containers. :laugh:

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
In the near future there's probably going to be a booming business for makers of TSA certified Lithium power cell transport containers. :laugh:

Not to mention laptop and camera batteries that don't have lithium in them!